Reschedule vs cancellation policy

sbeets

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If we're touring, and want to have our ADR earlier or later than originally planned, can we call and "reschedule" without the $10 cancellation fee? It's so hard to plan ADR, and if there is availability earlier or later, maybe an hour either way, it would be nice to have flexibility. You can laugh now. I know flexibility has no place in a disney vacation. In case my kids start complaining they're starving at 5 pm and our Boma buffet isn't scheduled til 7.
 
Your bigger problem it's unlikely they will be able to just reschedule you the way you suggest. I have shown up early and been seated and I have shown up early and been told "sorry come back when you are suppose to be here" LOL!
 
I'm assuming you're talking about same day? If there's availability, they should let you reschedule, but availability is so limited at almost all restaurants these days, I wouldn't bet on it. Problem is, I'm not sure you can call ahead to check for instant availability when your kids get hungry, since you can't call the restaurant directly. It would stink to leave a park early just to check to see if you could get in early, and be told no. Lots of wasted time involved, especially if you're using Disney transportation. Might want to think about a small snack for the kids just in case.
 
Unfortunately, depending on where you are eating (Boma for example, being a very popular restaurant) there most likely won't be any availability earlier or later. I would suggest making ADR's around the time you typically eat dinner at home. Or, if you don't really care where you eat, check for day-of availability and find something at a time that will work for you that day. If it's a restaurant you really want to go to, you can try showing up early, though, as the PP pointed out, that doesn't always work or if your kids get hungry earlier, give them a small snack. Unfortunately, there is not a lot of flexibility with ADR's once you hit that 24 hour mark. That's why we only make ADR's for places we really want to go to and know we have to schedule our day accordingly to make the ADR.
 

We've arrived at many ADRs early and usually gotten in pretty quick. It probably helps that when we're arriving early, we're typically getting there at 11:30am or 5pm and the restaurants aren't packed yet. It will also depend largely on the popularity of the restaurant and how booked they are. Like previous poster said, when you call you're not talking to the hostess at the restaurant, they'll only be able to move your reservation if there's another slot available.
 
1) If you cancel or alter the ADR on the same day, you may very well get the penalty fee.
2) The individual eatery manager decides who gets charged, NOT the ressie people.
3) And, by not using the ADR, you may leave a "hole" that could have been taken by someone paying.
. . . this could reduce the revenue, and profit, of the eatery
4) Best to plan upon making the ADR.
. . . sure, waiting for rides might make you late
. . . sure, kids might want to eat earlier or later
. . . sure, it is Disney and you are expected to make your ADR's on time
. . . sure, some do not like this, but that is the way it works.
5) It is fair an applied equally to all.

NOTE: Even if you go to the same eatery and eat early (say 2-3 hours), you can still get assessed the No Show penalty, because you did not(technically) show for your ADR. The person at the podium ("SEATER", aka hostess) has no convenient way to notice if you came earlier for the ADR. They just see that you did not make the ADR or you cancelled it after midnight the prior evening. At the end of the day, the manager on duty will either charge you or not charge you the penalty.
 
I had the same question...mostly out of curiosity because I believe I scheduled the best times for my family but you just never know whats going to happen and it is best to be completely informed before entering a potentially problematic situation...and I believe TheRustyScupper is actually the only one who really addressed the question.

Why is it that the second someone asks a simple question on the restaurant boards they are pretty much accused of being ill informed (read : stupid) or trying to skate around the rules???

I am sure the other poster knows the likelihood of NOT being able to change her ADR time but sometimes it does happen and she simply wanted to know if there would be consequences to doing that...case in point...room reservations...Disney has a policy against changes at a certain point but they do allow changes without penalty quite often if the change it equal or greater in cost. The other poster is asking about an equal change...it was a reasonable question...and I, for one, was also wondering about that.

Not everyone is trying to break a rule when they ask a simple question.

Thank you Rusty for answering the question.
 
1) If you cancel or alter the ADR on the same day, you may very well get the penalty fee.
2) The individual eatery manager decides who gets charged, NOT the ressie people.
3) And, by not using the ADR, you may leave a "hole" that could have been taken by someone paying.
. . . this could reduce the revenue, and profit, of the eatery
4) Best to plan upon making the ADR.
. . . sure, waiting for rides might make you late
. . . sure, kids might want to eat earlier or later
. . . sure, it is Disney and you are expected to make your ADR's on time
. . . sure, some do not like this, but that is the way it works.
5) It is fair an applied equally to all.

NOTE: Even if you go to the same eatery and eat early (say 2-3 hours), you can still get assessed the No Show penalty, because you did not(technically) show for your ADR. The person at the podium ("SEATER", aka hostess) has no convenient way to notice if you came earlier for the ADR. They just see that you did not make the ADR or you cancelled it after midnight the prior evening. At the end of the day, the manager on duty will either charge you or not charge you the penalty.

That's kind of what I figured. Boma is actually the one I was trying to figure out. We're staying at AKL and would love to eat here one night. If things are going well at the park I hate to say "sorry kids, we have to leave to make our supper reservation" and vice versa. I am a planner so I really love Disney vacations, and the convenience of knowing when we can eat and go on rides. There are just times I hate having things written in stone.
 
That's kind of what I figured. Boma is actually the one I was trying to figure out. We're staying at AKL and would love to eat here one night. If things are going well at the park I hate to say "sorry kids, we have to leave to make our supper reservation" and vice versa. I am a planner so I really love Disney vacations, and the convenience of knowing when we can eat and go on rides. There are just times I hate having things written in stone.
Was just at WDW and stayed the first night at AKV. We were driving in, in 2 cars from 2 different places, and didn't know what time we'd arrive. I made a late-ish ADR for Sanaa that night but we got in early and were all starving. I pushed the dining button on the room phone and the CM said there would be no penalty to change the ADR time since we wanted to stick with the same venue (Sanaa). She just needed to see what was available for a party of 5 and they did have an earlier time. So we switched from 7:20 to 5:35, or something like that. All was good. I find it's easier to find day of availability at resort venues instead of park venues or DtD venues.
 
Why is it that the second someone asks a simple question on the restaurant boards they are pretty much accused of being ill informed (read : stupid) or trying to skate around the rules???

Was there a negative comment that got deleted? Maybe I'm missing something, but I definitely don't see any comments fitting the description of calling someone stupid or accusing them of breaking the rules.

Regardless, I'm not disputing Rusty Scupper's knowledge, but I know I would be pretty ticked off if I showed up for an ADR early and got charged the no-show fee anyway. We've never been 2-3 hours early, but we've arrived up to an hour early a few times, the seater/hostess looks up the ADR in the system, I assumed they were checking us in. Sometimes we wait 5 minutes, sometimes we end up waiting until after our original ADR time, nothing to complain about because we knew we were early.
 
I know I would be pretty ticked off if I showed up for an ADR early and got charged the no-show fee anyway.


1) We need to remember why the No-Show Penalty was started.
2) People would
. . . make 2-3-4 ressies at the same time then go to the one they liked at that moment
. . . would be on rides and be so late they would skip the ADR
. . . would make an ADR and go early or late, thus denying others of an advanced ADR at that time
3) When the system was "trialed" at Le Cellier,
. . . the eatery would have 2-3 pages of No Show ADR's
. . . the eatery would have 1-2 pages of ADR's where people showed at a different time
. . . after the penalty, the no-shows AND changes went down to a TOTAL of 1-page
. . . installing the No-Show-Penalty site-wide was a no-brainer

NOTE: Sure, you would be ticked-off if showing early and getting a charge. But, what about the person who wanted the time of your original ADR and ended up going elsewhere because you took the ADR time? What about the eatery manager trying to make his profit margin and has people showing at times other than the ADR time, and not being able to add ADDITIONAL people to fill the vacancy?
 
NOTE: Sure, you would be ticked-off if showing early and getting a charge. But, what about the person who wanted the time of your original ADR and ended up going elsewhere because you took the ADR time? What about the eatery manager trying to make his profit margin and has people showing at times other than the ADR time, and not being able to add ADDITIONAL people to fill the vacancy?

I don't care? If the eatery manager has a problem with me showing up at 5PM for my 6PM ADR (because 180 days ago we thought we'd want to eat at 6PM, but we're hungry now), they can always tell me to come back closer to 6PM. But they can't willingly seat me at 5PM with a smile and then hit me with a no-show fee at 6PM without me complaining and contesting it.

I fail to understand how my eating at 5PM instead of 6PM hurts their profit margin. I'm not taking anyone's spot at 5PM because the restaurant is empty. And now they have a new opening later for a possible walk-up or last-minute ADR. Maybe someone else would have taken my 6PM ADR, but if I didn't book that ADR at 6PM at this restaurant 180 days ago, I would have made an ADR at a different restaurant and gone elsewhere. And if that other person really really wanted to eat there but couldn't get that exact 6PM ADR, they could have gotten an earlier available ADR.

In our case, when we were showing up early, the restaurant was empty and they now have a new opening during peak hours. I can understand if someone has an 8:30PM Epcot ADR and shows up at 7PM wanting to eat before Illuminations, then the eatery might be missing out on additional people. But again, if the manager doesn't like it, they can tell people to come back at their ADR time.
 
Also, in real life we can cancel or 'no show' for dining reservations if we so choose. I know why this policy was implemented and it did seem to be necessary. But now with MDE, which only allows 1 resie per timeframe, why the need to keep doing this penalty policy? Think they can discontinue now, no?
 
Was just at WDW and stayed the first night at AKV. We were driving in, in 2 cars from 2 different places, and didn't know what time we'd arrive. I made a late-ish ADR for Sanaa that night but we got in early and were all starving. I pushed the dining button on the room phone and the CM said there would be no penalty to change the ADR time since we wanted to stick with the same venue (Sanaa). She just needed to see what was available for a party of 5 and they did have an earlier time. So we switched from 7:20 to 5:35, or something like that. All was good. I find it's easier to find day of availability at resort venues instead of park venues or DtD venues.

Thank you for your first hand story. This is the scenario i was thinking about. I think I'll make a later reservation. If we get back to the resort early, I'll check to see if we can move up our time. If not, we'll have a snack in the room while we wait. I really want to eat at Boma, but I don't want to pay for a buffet, and then pay another $50 because we showed up early for our reservation.
 
1) If you cancel or alter the ADR on the same day, you may very well get the penalty fee.
2) The individual eatery manager decides who gets charged, NOT the ressie people...


At the end of the day, the manager on duty will either charge you or not charge you the penalty.

I need to point out that this is completely false information. Disney Dining "the ressie people" has the final say, not the manager.

On our last stay we had a change of plans and we needed to push our ADR back about 3 hours. In the late morning of the day of our ADR I checked MDE on my cell phone found a later reservation was still available at our restaurant. Without thinking I scheduled the later reservation before realizing I couldn't cancel my earlier reservation without penalty. I panicked and called Disney Dining to explain my mistake as now I was going to get hit with the penalty no matter whether we ate at the earlier or later reservation. Disney Dining scolded me for not calling them in the first place to change the reservation; but, they quickly assured me my mistake was corrected (would not be charged a cancellation penalty) and our later dining time was confirmed. Later, after returning home from our vacation we checked our credit card statement and sure enough, we had been charged the cancellation penalty. I quickly called Disney Dining and they apologized for their mistake and they credited back the cancellation fee charges.

So... the moral of the story is that you can change your reservation the same day, you just need to call Disney Dining before making any changes to see if your request can be accommodated. Also, last minute changes create havoc with Disney's "system" which is why it is so discouraged.
 
Also, in real life we can cancel or 'no show' for dining reservations if we so choose. I know why this policy was implemented and it did seem to be necessary. But now with MDE, which only allows 1 resie per timeframe, why the need to keep doing this penalty policy? Think they can discontinue now, no?

But many people have several MDE that they use to book multiple reservations. My kids are adults, we often travel together and they each have their own MDE. It would be very easy for us to box in our meals to work to our advantage (we don't). This new rule only makes sure you cancelled by midnight the day before for those who were still willing to set up a few accounts.
 
We have only done this once and it was at Yak and Yeti in January. So I guess it all depends on how busy the restaurant is and if it is a restaurant that is hard to get into (I would not expect to be able to do this at BOG or at a character meal). When we asked them if we could switch, there was hardly anyone in the restaurant, so they had no problems and they didn't charge us for it either. DH was in Epcot that night (he isn't a huge AK fan) to have dinner at Teppan Edo and to watch Illuminations, the girls and I decided that we would try to get in earlier at Yak and Yeti and then hop over to meet up with DH so he and I can watch the fireworks and walk around WS while the girls go off and ride some rides. It worked out really well and with no hassles.
 
That's kind of what I figured. Boma is actually the one I was trying to figure out. We're staying at AKL and would love to eat here one night. If things are going well at the park I hate to say "sorry kids, we have to leave to make our supper reservation" and vice versa. I am a planner so I really love Disney vacations, and the convenience of knowing when we can eat and go on rides. There are just times I hate having things written in stone.

Boma was the place I got told "please come back closer to your reservation time" Actually I think what they said was something like "We will put you on the list, but it's unlikely we will be able to seat you for at least 90 minutes" When I came back at my reservation time (which was about 90 minutes later) I was seated in five minutes :)
 
I fail to understand how my eating at 5PM instead of 6PM hurts their profit margin. I'm not taking anyone's spot at 5PM because the restaurant is empty.
1) Theoretically, yes.
2) But, let's try a scenario, which if oft repeated.
. . . you make a 6:00pom ADR
. . . guest #2 would like a 6:00 ADR, but goes elsewhere since the 6:00 ADR's are gone.
. . . you slide into an open slot at 5:00pm
. . . the 6:00pm time slot goes empty
. . . sure, someone else might be seated, but unless the guest is a walk-in they already have an ADR
. . . so, the volume of ADR guests does not increase, but actually decreases
3) Remember, WDW is about filling tables and about profits.
4) Sure, people may not like it, but they have alternatives.

NOTE: Not trying to argue, just trying to explain the process and the reasoning behind it.


I need to point out that this is completely false information. Disney Dining "the ressie people" has the final say, not the manager.
1) Alas, the ressie people are just that, ressie people.
. . . many guests do not understand how the Disney Dining (aka, 'Ala Carte") ressie system works
. . . many guests do not know lots of the inner workings of WDW
2) Ressie people (at DRC's) are off-site in one of four locations (or working from their home as an independent contractor or work-at-home-MoM).
3) They have no influence over the restaurant managers.
. . . they can "promise" a guest almost anything they wish to get them off the phone
. . . the longer a guest stays on the phone, the less money the ressie CM's make
. . . in fact, they could loss a sizeable bonus if their sales-dollars-per-minute is below their quota (there are three different quota limits)
. . . they can note their comment on the computer ressie for the SEATER to view at the podium
. . . but, the CANNOT guarantee anything related to a ressie or ADR
. . . you can read many posts on this website where "guaranteed" items were not granted
4) In fact, they do not even have an Override Code to slide someone into a sold out eatery. *
5) Another example of who controls the penalty:
. . . Sometimes the resort Concierge can reverse a penalty fee.
. . . When this happens, the Concierge has to note (explain) on the computer file why the reversal.
. . . The resort takes the "hit" for the fee, not the restaurant
. . . And, the resort only has a certain budget for comp's and allowances
. . . If we reverse too many penalties, we are called into the office and "counseled"

* Some of us do have an override code.
We can slide any group, of any size, into any restaurant, at any time, on any day.
The only exceptions are eateries that are truly capacity limited, such as HDDR, Luau, V&A.
Sure, when we do this, it pushes back other people with later ADR's, but this is business.
At CRT, sometimes there are 50-100 people beyond ADR capacity due to Overrides at a meal.
We do this mainly for ABC/DIS execs, Marketing Department guests, WDW managers, or Level-1 & Level-2 VIP's (but not Level-3)
This is sometimes one of the reasons for people not being admitted at their ADR at the ressie time.
 
I need to point out that this is completely false information. Disney Dining "the ressie people" has the final say, not the manager.


As an fyi the poster you have accused of giving out false information is a current CM at WDW and works with dining reservations. I think they have a good idea on what is true and what is false.
 

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