Republicans and right wing Christians

[meandtheguys2]

O.K. I went braindead! It is not the ACLlU that I have difficulties with! I apoplogize for being an idiot! My brain functioned a lot better before children!

I am stepping out, before I mess this up more!

Michelle

I am going to go hang out on the theme parks board now...

eta: Thanks for not using that stupid rolly eyes smilie!

 

[caitycaity]

Originally posted by meandtheguys2
O.K. I went braindead! It is not the ACLlU that I have difficulties with! I apoplogize for being an idiot! My brain functioned a lot better before children!

I am stepping out, before I mess this up more!

Michelle

I am going to go hang out on the theme parks board now...

eta: Thanks for not using that stupid rolly eyes smilie!

hey no prob. we all make mistakes sometimes.

 

[auntpolly]

Originally posted by meandtheguys2
O.K. I went braindead! It is not the ACLlU that I have difficulties with! I apoplogize for being an idiot! My brain functioned a lot better before children!

I am stepping out, before I mess this up more!

Michelle

I am going to go hang out on the theme parks board now...

eta: Thanks for not using that stupid rolly eyes smilie!

Don't worry about it -- I'm just happy you don't have a problem with the ACLU!

 

[jrydberg]

The fact that the Republican Party is not for less government in many cases (not to mention the whole religious right thing) is precisely why I don't consider myself a Republican, though I'm far from a Democrat. I'm a right leaning libertarian, I guess

 

[Lanshark]

There are extremists on both ends of the political spectrum. Not all Christians are "Right Wing" extremists as they are portrayed in the media. The word Christian seems to be getting more of a negative connotation. It's an unfair rap.

Most people I've discussed this amendment with did NOT want it to pass. Most of these people were Christians.

 

[caitycaity]

Not all Christians are "Right Wing" extremists as they are portrayed in the media. The word Christian seems to be getting more of a negative connotation. It's an unfair rap.

Most people I've discussed this amendment with did NOT want it to pass. Most of these people were Christians.

sorry, i did not mean to imply that i'm anti-christian, because i'm not. that's why i said religious right. when i hear that i think of the self proclaimed "moral majority". people like ralph reed. sorry if i inadvertantly offended anyone.

 

[Wishing on a star]

Okay, back to the original topic... I keep hearing these 'less government' comments on this thread, directly related to the debate on the new constitutional amendment.

HELLO people, since when does this constitutional amendment mean 'MORE' government???? I just don't see it. The liberal democrats with their endless social programs, govermnent controlled medicine, government controlled business, government controlled EVERYTHING... to me, THAT is more government. That is where government is controlling everything. Regardless of where I stand on this one amendment. I do NOT see it as MORE government.

Now, all of these local and state judges and officials taking it into their own hands to decide to up and begin issuing these licenses outside of what has always been legally and commonly accepted, outside of the parameters of their authority. That is government overstepping its boundaries. It is not their place to 'legislate' what they may think is right.

The pro gay-marriage forces should pursue this thru the required channels. (ie: protection under equal rights) But, I am not sure that equal rights is all that they want. Many strongly disagree with civil-unions.

 

[Miss Jasmine]

Originally posted by auntpolly
It's beyond me how people can be against the ACLU!

If anybody's protecting our liberties, it's them. I literally thank God for them (and back that up with my check book!)

Really, the ACLU is not protecting MY liberties. Seeing that I am, as what you all like to call, a right-wing Christian (boo hiss), my Commandments can no longer be displayed, my holidays can no longer be celebrated within the public sector (woo hoo let's sing winter songs), and my goodness I better never talk about my beliefs or I am some crazy right-winger trying to convert everyone. Meanwhile in school, my kids learn about other cultures, other religions, but Christianity is always glazed over. They are learning about others, but others are not learning about us. If the ACLU wants to protect people's liberties, it needs to protect ALL people's liberties, not just those that they feel are right.

 

[caitycaity]

i think when people say more government in this case they are referring to more government intrusion on people's personal lives.

 

[auntpolly]

Originally posted by Wishing on a star
Okay, back to the original topic... I keep hearing these 'less government' comments on this thread, directly related to the debate on the new constitutional amendment.

HELLO people, since when does this constitutional amendment mean 'MORE' government???? I just don't see it. .

You don't, huh?How does more stuff illegal equate to less government?

 

[auntpolly]

Originally posted by Miss Jasmine
Really, the ACLU is not protecting MY liberties. Seeing that I am, as what you all like to call, a right-wing Christian (boo hiss), my Commandments can no longer be displayed, my holidays can no longer be celebrated within the public sector (woo hoo let's sing winter songs), and my goodness I better never talk about my beliefs or I am some crazy right-winger trying to convert everyone. Meanwhile in school, my kids learn about other cultures, other religions, but Christianity is always glazed over. They are learning about others, but others are not learning about us. If the ACLU wants to protect people's liberties, it needs to protect ALL people's liberties, not just those that they feel are right.

I'm sure the other religions would consider being glazed over as well - it's a matter of not prioritizing one over the other.

 

[wvrevy]

You're right...the amendment isn't "more government" it's "legislating morality"...THEIR version of what is "moral" of course

As for those "activist judges"...sorry, but this is a pet peeve of mine. The court's constitutional role is to interpret laws as they pertain to the constitution, and by declaring a law to be unconstitutional they can effectively abolish that law. The congressional check to that is that congress has the power to pass amendments to the constitution that are not subject to judicial review.

In other words, the court is doing what it was designed to do !!! Just because this president and those that support him don't seem to comprehend 10th grade social studies does not make them right. Pick up a friggin' text book...or a copy of the Constitution. Either would prove the point. The system is doing what it was designed to do, so complaining about it is like saying that the American system sucks

 

[minniepumpernickel]

Originally posted by EsmeraldaX
ITA. I fear left wing extremists just as much as I fear right wing extremists. Every party had a lunatic fringe, propagandists etc.
While the far right has the hardcore Christian people who want everyone to worship Jesus, the far left has the hardcore atheist people who want to take historical crosses off of town seals at who even knows what cost to taxpayers.

Someone posted on here a few days ago that some right wing nutcases were cursing at her and throwing rocks at her car because she had a Kerry sticker. The next day I posted a thing about some group who plans to wreak chaos at the RNC by, amongst other things, trying to break the legs of horses ridden by mounted police officers on security by throwing marbles at their feet and making them fall.

I personally wish everyone could get along but until people like Michael Moore and Jay Severin settle down and attempt to have reasonable, well thought out debate minus the mudslinging and name calling, it's probably not going to happen.

Esmerelda,

In your post yesterday you referrred to them as "anarchists" and not "democrats". They did not describe them selves as supporting the democratic party, right. So I don't understand why you are comparing them to the car sticker bashing incident!

 

[caitycaity]

miss jasmine, i'm sorry, but you are wrong. the aclu is not anti-christian. take a look at a few of these examples:

http://www.aclu.org/StudentsRights/StudentsRights.cfm?ID=15680&c=159

http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=15897&c=141

http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=15896&c=141

i'm sure i could find more if i had the time.

as aunt polly said, you might not like some of their moves (and i don't either), but they are really equal opportunity. i've not seen anything that shows me otherwise.

 

[auntpolly]

Originally posted by wvrevy
You're right...the amendment isn't "more government" it's "legislating morality"...THEIR version of what is "moral" of course

IMO more legislation = more government

 

[Lanshark]

caitycaity

I wasn't referring to you at all. I was just making a statement that it is a shame that the word Christian has become the words "Right Wing Christian" in the news and in peoples minds. I wasn't offended at all.

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by Miss Jasmine
Really, the ACLU is not protecting MY liberties. Seeing that I am, as what you all like to call, a right-wing Christian (boo hiss), my Commandments can no longer be displayed, my holidays can no longer be celebrated within the public sector (woo hoo let's sing winter songs), and my goodness I better never talk about my beliefs or I am some crazy right-winger trying to convert everyone. Meanwhile in school, my kids learn about other cultures, other religions, but Christianity is always glazed over. They are learning about others, but others are not learning about us. If the ACLU wants to protect people's liberties, it needs to protect ALL people's liberties, not just those that they feel are right.

There's so much wrong with this, I'm not even sure where to start

1 - You are free to display "your" commandments anywhere you'd like, so long as it's not on property that I help pay for. If you own a business, you're perfectly free to put the whole list in your letterhead...knock yourself out, nobody is stopping you (and if they did, the ACLU would fight them).

2 - Your holidays may not be my holidays, and vice versa...So, who gets to decide which are "celebrated" and which aren't ? Is someone forcing you to celebrate Kwanzaa ? Of course not (and if they were, the ACLU would step in and fight them).

3 - Is someone stopping you from expressing your beliefs ? Have you been barred from addressing your elected officials because of your beliefs ? Of course not. If someone tried, the ACLU would fight them.

Your problem isn't that groups like the ACLU won't stand up for your beliefs. Your problem appears to be that groups like the ACLU won't stand up for your "right" to enforce your beliefs on everyone else. Sorry, but in that, you're right...they certainly would NOT fight for that.

 

[auntpolly]

Originally posted by Lanshark
caitycaity

I wasn't referring to you at all. I was just making a statement that it is a shame that the word Christian has become the words "Right Wing Christian" in the news and in peoples minds. I wasn't offended at all.

of course not all Christians are right wing. I'm a Christian. I'll let other people tell me what kind they think I am (but it's not right wing, I can tell you that! )

 

[caitycaity]

Originally posted by Lanshark
caitycaity

I wasn't referring to you at all. I was just making a statement that it is a shame that the word Christian has become the words "Right Wing Christian" in the news and in peoples minds. I wasn't offended at all.

i agree with you, i think a lot of times the media and other groups try to make all christians seem "evil" (for lack of a better word).

 

[Doug123]

HELLO people, since when does this constitutional amendment mean 'MORE' government???? I just don't see it. [/B]

The government is stepping in between two individuals who want to marry instead of not stepping in between them. Support it or not, it's certainly more government intrusion.

Originally posted by Miss Jasmine
Really, the ACLU is not protecting MY liberties. Seeing that I am, as what you all like to call, a right-wing Christian (boo hiss), my Commandments can no longer be displayed, my holidays can no longer be celebrated within the public sector (woo hoo let's sing winter songs), and my goodness I better never talk about my beliefs or I am some crazy right-winger trying to convert everyone. Meanwhile in school, my kids learn about other cultures, other religions, but Christianity is always glazed over. They are learning about others, but others are not learning about us. If the ACLU wants to protect people's liberties, it needs to protect ALL people's liberties, not just those that they feel are right.

1) Your Commandments can CERTAINLY still be displayed.
2) Personally, I believe in the concept of separation of church and state; as a result, I think the government should not support the celebration of certain religious beliefs and not others.
3) If people calling you a crazy right-winger trying to convert them actually bothers you, maybe you could look at how you're phrasing things to them. Besides, do you REALLY care what these people think of your beliefs?
4) One of the goals of our school system, in my opinion, is to help our children become better rounded individuals. The culture of Christianity is already well known, so exposing our children to other cultures and religions might be a better use of time toward the stated goal.