repeated BUS ABUSE ON OUR TRIP THIS PAST WEEK

[DrBond007]

I'll say farewell to this thread now......

Ya, me too, not for the same reason, but probably time to go....

 

[3DisneyNUTS]

While your experience was unfortunate, it has nothing to do with any SSR bus issues; I assure you that I've run into rude people almost everywhere at WDW, from all "classes" of WDW guest (one of the most disturbing was while we were at the Polynesian Concierge, and someone was complaining that they only had 5 different types of liqueurs available....). Disney relies on mass transit, which is just that - transit for the masses. DVC owners must mix with folks from other DVC resorts and even ::gasp:: off-site visitors. If the big complaint is that you want to avoid running into rude, "non-magical" people, then I'm sorry to let you know, but restricting SSR bus service to resort guests - or just to SSR owners - won't do the trick.

I'll say farewell to this thread now, as it's taking quite a disturbing turn. While I totally understand the need to restrict resort amenities (SAB is the best example) to resort guests, to say that only people who pay dues at a DVC resort should be able to ride that resort's buses is just plain wrong. If this keeps up, I know I'll someday see an SSR owner screaming at a bus driver, "I pay your salary!" Talk about non-magical

IMHO - YMMV - TTFN

No what I have been saying is that people who intend on using the buses they way they are supposed to and not to avoid parking or as a gateway to an offsite hotel. I think show proper id or reservation, what have you, is enough. But just allowing it to be an open and encouraged hub to DTD is just wrong for people who do not even intend on visiting SSR. Why take the seat away from thos staying, eating shopping etc just to save on parking or catch a ride to their cars? What is disturbing about this? It doesn't disturb you that this is a loophole that will most definitely get exploited? I don't want to have to stand on a bus because people decide it is a way out of paying to park. I also hope it doesn't act as an unintentional invite for pool hoppers to take a dip in the pool then bus it out of there or use the path.

For matter of discussion in the begining I brought up asking for resort ID's not knowing it is an included perk for park hopper tickets. AFter I learned of that I changed my position saying that any id (that proves entitlement to the buses) would do. I also added reservations for a restaurant or use of the facilities etc. But to avoid to pay to park or a way back to an offsite resort is not what I think is the intended use of the bus system and should not be encouraged by CMs.

You also asked for a problem and I have encountered one not because of a rude person but because of a person who was told she would be able to get to the hilton from that bus stop. It was a bus issue. How do I know if she is rude in a regular capacity? I don't but in that situation because of the buses it was an uncomfortable environment for the SSR guests waiting and probably for the screaming woman too. I could not say if she is rude in other situations all I saw was the bus situation.

 

[fmed845]

I own at SSR and don't have a problem with people using the bus to walk to DTD if they are staying at another Disney resort. I use other resort buses to visit resorts to go to dinner. I do have a problem with the use to go to DTD because thats where they parked or to go to an off-site resort. While I was there in Dec a group of 5 got off the bus at SSR and asked the bus driver where the walkway was to DTD so they could get back to their hotel.

 

[Sammie]

ok then that makes it definate, no non resort guests on the walkway to DTD. i am pretty easy going on vacation and not much bothers me, but that would be about as much as I could bare if i came down to the pool and it was full of locals or off site guests.

Don't go there or you will have to join the rest of us Pool Hopper Police.

I find it interesting that some can take 2 issues, abuse of pools by those not staying there or paying for that use, and people overcrowding a bus to avoid paying a parking fee and some will never see that bascially they are the same issue.

I guess it depends which forum you post it on.

 

[3DisneyNUTS]

Don't go there or you will have to join the rest of us Pool Hopper Police.

I find it interesting that some can take 2 issues, abuse of pools by those not staying there or paying for that use, and people overcrowding a bus to avoid paying a parking fee and some will never see that bascially they are the same issue.

I guess it depends which forum you post it on.

I agree. They are the same issue. Using something that you are not entitled to because you can get over on it.

 

[NMW]

Why can't they just charge for parking at DTD? I don't understand why this can't be done. It would stop people from using DTD for "free parking" wouldn't it?

 

[CarolMN]

Why can't they just charge for parking at DTD? I don't understand why this can't be done. It would stop people from using DTD for "free parking" wouldn't it?

Because a parking fee would discourage people from shopping/eating/clubbing there - it's not just vacationers who frequent DD/PI/West Side.

Since there is no direct bus service between DD and the parks, stopping the relatively small number of off site guests who park at DD to avoid the fee cannot possibly be worth the hassle/bad PR that charging to park at DD would create.

Best wishes -

 

[spiceycat]

I though someone say earlier that there is a $2 fee for parking at DD now???

when SSR first opened - the hotel across the street was actually sending their guest to ride the buses at SSR - WDW stopped most of this practice - but it is hard to control individual people.

maybe their should be a gate at the walkway to DD than only a SSR ID could open???? but lots of us OKW walk in this area and that would make me mad.

I think WDW stopped checking ID - because of the unofficial guide - who told people to use it anyway...it was included with their tickets.

I am sorry this happened to you - but I think it will become a bigger problem.

SSR is a very attractive resort - people will come by to see it - and then they find the WDW resorts buses. hey if you are staying at a DD hotel the WDW resort buses are much, much better.

 

[sjdisneywedding]

Don't go there or you will have to join the rest of us Pool Hopper Police.

I find it interesting that some can take 2 issues, abuse of pools by those not staying there or paying for that use, and people overcrowding a bus to avoid paying a parking fee and some will never see that bascially they are the same issue.

I guess it depends which forum you post it on.

they are not the same thing, not by a long shot. Off site guests are not allowed to use SSR facilities, period! T

hey are completely free to use SSR busses(or any other busses for that matter) under te current rules, if they have a valid pass. Is this right, no, but its not a deliberate breaking of the rules.

its 2 totally separate issues

 

[sjdisneywedding]

I agree. They are the same issue. Using something that you are not entitled to because you can get over on it.

MY goodness please read the following out loud:

THEY ARE ENTITLED TO FULL USE OF THE DISNEY TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM with a valid park pass. What is so difficult to grasp about that?

again its not right because some can take advantage of it, but those are the rules!

 

[senecabeach]

Amazing how this thread has grown, especially over things we can't, and have no business, trying to control.

Buses are for "anyone" who chooses to visit the Magical World of Disney ...period.

IMHO... Lets turn this around and get "Free" parking in the parks !!!!!!

 

[sjdisneywedding]

Because a parking fee would discourage people from shopping/eating/clubbing there - it's not just vacationers who frequent DD/PI/West Side.

Since there is no direct bus service between DD and the parks, stopping the relatively small number of off site guests who park at DD to avoid the fee cannot possibly be worth the hassle/bad PR that charging to park at DD would create.

Best wishes -

simple solution, all resort guest, AP holders of DQ, PI, or parks get in for free, and stop charging in the evening. no one is parking at DTD in the evening to go to a park, or definately not as many.

if you think theres tat many off site soppers during the afternonn ten just forget the evening feeremoval and validate the parking fees with a small dollar amout for purchases and there you go, all AP's no worries, all night time guests no fees, all shoppers no fees, all resort guests no fees, all diners no fees, all parking fee cheaters-park at the parks like everyone else.

 

[athenna]

IMO-the bottom line (for me anyway) is 1) I don't want to wait an hour for a bus because people that aren't staying at WDW are using SSR to get around and it's causing delays but it's not going to ruin my vacation by any means.
2) security is a good point. It's unfortunate in this day and age we have to worry about that, but we do. But I'm not going to let this stress me out, or have bad feelings about SSR.

 

[sjdisneywedding]

I though someone say earlier that there is a $2 fee for parking at DD now???

when SSR first opened - the hotel across the street was actually sending their guest to ride the buses at SSR - WDW stopped most of this practice - but it is hard to control individual people.

maybe their should be a gate at the walkway to DD than only a SSR ID could open???? but lots of us OKW walk in this area and that would make me mad.

I think WDW stopped checking ID - because of the unofficial guide - who told people to use it anyway...it was included with their tickets.

I am sorry this happened to you - but I think it will become a bigger problem.

SSR is a very attractive resort - people will come by to see it - and then they find the WDW resorts buses. hey if you are staying at a DD hotel the WDW resort buses are much, much better.

actually you could leave the walkway open for all WDW resort guests, you would just ave to omit the off site visitors. I dont think anyone from an on site resort would be parking at DTD to get to park wen tey could just drive to the park directly.

There would be some resort guests coming to DTD via SSR but i think thats fine

more importantly, closing that walkway down to where only on site guests have access, means less problems with stragglers from DTD late at night and less problems with off site guests having access to the SSR pools and so forth

 

[3DisneyNUTS]

MY goodness please read the following out loud:

THEY ARE ENTITLED TO FULL USE OF THE DISNEY TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM with a valid park pass. What is so difficult to grasp about that?

again its not right because some can take advantage of it, but those are the rules!

Are you completely missing my point? I am not concerned about people using it for valid reasons. My concern is that people who want to avoid parking fees or transfer to their offsite hotel. I am worried about CMs telling people to use SSR's congress parks bus stop like the TTC. The stop is small like the average resort bus stop. It cannot handle the influx of extra guests when the resort is at full capacity. Why should I have to stand when someone is too cheap to pay the $8 and be encouraged by CMs no less?

 

[Beca]

more importantly, closing that walkway down to where only on site guests have access, means less problems with stragglers from DTD late at night and less problems with off site guests having access to the SSR pools and so forth

Yeah, and less problems from anyone who is too drunk to get the key in the gate!! I can just SEE the drunks not being able to do that!!!



Beca

 

[Beca]

Are you completely missing my point? I am not concerned about people using it for valid reasons. My concern is that people who want to avoid parking fees or transfer to their offsite hotel. I am worried about CMs telling people to use SSR's congress parks bus stop like the TTC. The stop is small like the average resort bus stop. It cannot handle the influx of extra guests when the resort is at full capacity. Why should I have to stand when someone is too cheap to pay the $8 and be encouraged by CMs no less?

I think what other people are saying is that once you have a park ticket, any use of the bus system can be interpreted as valid. Once you have a park ticket...there are NO restrictions on the way you can use it. There are signs, saying parking in resorts or DTD is for the use of those facilities only. I think what other posters are saying is, that parking in those lots to go to a park is wrong, but utilizing the bus transportation system to go to and from that illegal spot is not.

Theoretically, anyone holding a park ticket can go anywhere, at anytime on any bus. This goes for people who park at the BWV, BCV, Contemporary, Poly, or GF as well. Their PARKING is illegal, their bus riding is not. Why? Because WDW has not defined it as such. If WDW would come out with a clause that says, "Riding the bus to get to a parking lot that you are illegally using is illegal"....then, there are some posters on this thread who would agree with you. You have made the (not altogether crazy assumption) that riding a bus to get to an illegal parking lot is illegal. What are you thinking??!! That has WAY to much common sense!!!

So, in essence...both sides are right. You are right in spirit, they are right in "letter". My point is a third one. Why should SSR dues go to fund this "illegal" or "illegal in spirit" activity? On busy days, you cannot get into the Contemporary parking lot without a PS, guest room key, or impending reservation. Why? Obviously, to protect the guests who have paid good money to stay there. Something needs to be done for the benefit of SSR guests as well. And, they absolutely should not pay extra in "transportation fees" to accomodate all of these people who do this.

I agree that parking at DTD at night to go to the parks is not a problem. So, maybe there SHOULD be a "free parking after 5" thing, and DTD should charge for parking before that. I don't think it is likely to happen. Why? I think it once again comes back to the fact that we are a "captive" audience at WDW. We own there, and will be coming back again and again....so, WDW doesn't have to care if we are inconvenienced by the crowds. And, unlike the Contemporary, people are not parking at SSR, but are using an alternate lot. In WDW's eyes, it is no different than people parking at the Swan/Dolphin to go to the parks. But, notice that the Swan/Dolphin are putting an end to that practice!!! (And, really when you think about it...S/D people are not USING the transporation, they are probably just walking).

All I am saying is this....if it bothers SSR owners, they better raise a BIG fuss because nothing will be done about it unless they do. It seems to me that while the resort is being sold, a lot of people could park at SSR as easily (or, even more easily) as DTD to go to the parks for free...it is really easy to drive into SSR right now.

I think I am going to "sign off" of this thread, too. People are just saying the same things over and over again....and, no one seems to be acknowledging others' opinions. It doesn't matter in the big picture to me...I don't own at SSR, I don't plan ever to own at SSR, and unless it is the only resort available...don't even plan to stay there. But, if I did...we would have a car...so, I guess "illegal parkers" at DTD could have my spot on the bus.

But, if it were my home resort, and my money...I'd care....a lot!!



Beca

 

[sarhenty]

Maybe they need to offer a "front of the line" access to anyone showing an SSR room key when boarding. All others can then get on the bus if there is room available.

Beca

Not to back track but this is really a GREAT IDEA! A separate queue too if necessary. One cannot imagine how BIG SSR will become in the next couple of years. This system can be implemented with other resorts as well, again, only if necessary (i.e. Boardwalk, Swan&Dolphin). It will fix the problem of SSR guests getting a seat which they rightfully deserve as opposed to someone that maybe taking advantage. This way Disney will be satisfying both parties and enticing non-SSR guests to stay on property next time. JMHO

 

[3DisneyNUTS]

I think what other people are saying is that once you have a park ticket, any use of the bus system can be interpreted as valid. Once you have a park ticket...there are NO restrictions on the way you can use it. There are signs, saying parking in resorts or DTD is for the use of those facilities only. I think what other posters are saying is, that parking in those lots to go to a park is wrong, but utilizing the bus transportation system to go to and from that illegal spot is not.

Theoretically, anyone holding a park ticket can go anywhere, at anytime on any bus. This goes for people who park at the BWV, BCV, Contemporary, Poly, or GF as well. Their PARKING is illegal, their bus riding is not. Why? Because WDW has not defined it as such. If WDW would come out with a clause that says, "Riding the bus to get to a parking lot that you are illegally using is illegal"....then, there are some posters on this thread who would agree with you. You have made the (not altogether crazy assumption) that riding a bus to get to an illegal parking lot is illegal. What are you thinking??!! That has WAY to much common sense!!!

So, in essence...both sides are right. You are right in spirit, they are right in "letter". My point is a third one. Why should SSR dues go to fund this "illegal" or "illegal in spirit" activity? On busy days, you cannot get into the Contemporary parking lot without a PS, guest room key, or impending reservation. Why? Obviously, to protect the guests who have paid good money to stay there. Something needs to be done for the benefit of SSR guests as well. And, they absolutely should not pay extra in "transportation fees" to accomodate all of these people who do this.

I agree that parking at DTD at night to go to the parks is not a problem. So, maybe there SHOULD be a "free parking after 5" thing, and DTD should charge for parking before that. I don't think it is likely to happen. Why? I think it once again comes back to the fact that we are a "captive" audience at WDW. We own there, and will be coming back again and again....so, WDW doesn't have to care if we are inconvenienced by the crowds. And, unlike the Contemporary, people are not parking at SSR, but are using an alternate lot. In WDW's eyes, it is no different than people parking at the Swan/Dolphin to go to the parks. But, notice that the Swan/Dolphin are putting an end to that practice!!! (And, really when you think about it...S/D people are not USING the transporation, they are probably just walking).

All I am saying is this....if it bothers SSR owners, they better raise a BIG fuss because nothing will be done about it unless they do. It seems to me that while the resort is being sold, a lot of people could park at SSR as easily (or, even more easily) as DTD to go to the parks for free...it is really easy to drive into SSR right now.

I think I am going to "sign off" of this thread, too. People are just saying the same things over and over again....and, no one seems to be acknowledging others' opinions. It doesn't matter in the big picture to me...I don't own at SSR, I don't plan ever to own at SSR, and unless it is the only resort available...don't even plan to stay there. But, if I did...we would have a car...so, I guess "illegal parkers" at DTD could have my spot on the bus.

But, if it were my home resort, and my money...I'd care....a lot!!



Beca

Right but this is where the technicalities come in. Just because you can get away with something as a loophole doesn't mean you should do it. It is the same vain as the occupancy threads. Just because you can get away with it and in most cases Cms encourage that too does it mean it is ok? Does it mean that I don't have the right to voice my opinion that people are using the SSR Cp bus stop as their way to avoid parking fees? Should I take the position that 'hey they are entitled because they have a ticket' and if they scam the system I should be ok with it when my family will be the ones left without a seat or with long lines?

I mean even 5 in a studio doesn't impact the bus like 5 hopping over from DTD and clogging up the bus.

Maybe if people didn't sit idly by and let others take advantage of something then Disney would be quicker at finding a solution. I am sure that if enough SSR owners find the situation out of hand and say something about it then they hopefully will do something about it.

I mean it definitely should not be an encouraged method to get back to DTD. I know I have asked this before but are there still busses that run from DTD to TTC and vice versa? If so why aren't people being encouraged to go that route?

 

[helenk]

You can not get to DTD from the TTC. Disney does that because, parking at DTD is free, if they allowed you to go to the TTC from DTD then they would not get the $8.00 parking fee from guests parking at the the TTC. People would park at DTD ride to the TTC and then to any park from there.