repeated BUS ABUSE ON OUR TRIP THIS PAST WEEK

[golfnut1264]

this is why cast members hate dvc owners...everybody thinks you are owed something because you own dvc....what about the family of four that just paid $1000 for park passes are they entitled to use the buses....you guys just complain and whine about every little thing.....
why should you hold your sleepy son on the bus...how do you know that people on your bus didnt pay for thier room or are not dvc members...the world should not stop because your kid is sleepy....you can either wait for the next bus and get a seat or leave the park earlier before your son falls asleep so you dont have blame your inconvienence on everybody else.....
when i go to disney i enjoy my trip and dont worry about who is at what pool and not a guest and who is on the bus that i PAY FOR and not a dvc memeber...as a matter of fact neither of those 2 questions or concerns ever enetered my mind....rules are you kidding me...morally wrong are u kidding me.....get a life people and worry about something important......

 

[iwaseeyore]

Do you just scan my popsts when you read them because your answers misconstrue what I have said. I did not have to hold my son on the bus but I am concerened that Disney offering the CP bus stop at SSR as the way to DTD will make me have to on future trips due to over crowding....You know what I cannot retype everything and re-explain please reread my posts before you comment.

I also feel it is scamming to use a bus intended for resort transportation as a way to get over on paying to park. BTW where do you own? If you don't see it as a problem maybe lets suggest they use the busses at your resort?

What i did was quote you. I didn't misconstrue. Those are your words. I don't think I need to reread your posts. You want what you want. You have no respect for the rules of the land and you think that since you own at SSR you are the only one who should use the bus.

If a person has a multiday pass they can use the busses. If Disney sees it's a problem that they are parking at DTD they will deal with it. You can call it scamming, maybe they are just smarter then the rest of us.

I own at BWV and VWL. I deal with overcrowded busses since we share with other resorts at BWV. I've dealt with no parking due to people parking in the wrong place until DISNEY not DVC enforced the guests only rule in our resort parking lot. Did I get crazed over the issue, no. Did I look to change the rules, no. I spoke with someone at the time who could work to fix the issue. But I have never tried to deny something to someone when the have a right to use it.

 

[Happy Birthday Cat]

this is why cast members hate dvc owners

Hey, I've heard this someplace before. Kind of a broad stroke with that brush golfnut1264.

HBC

 

[Deb & Bill]

How about we suggest to people to take the most direct bus - AKL. Then they can catch a direct bus to DTD???? One stop only before DTD.

Let's play nice, folks.

 

[sjdisneywedding]

this is why cast members hate dvc owners...everybody thinks you are owed something because you own dvc....what about the family of four that just paid $1000 for park passes are they entitled to use the buses....you guys just complain and whine about every little thing.....
why should you hold your sleepy son on the bus...how do you know that people on your bus didnt pay for thier room or are not dvc members...the world should not stop because your kid is sleepy....you can either wait for the next bus and get a seat or leave the park earlier before your son falls asleep so you dont have blame your inconvienence on everybody else.....
when i go to disney i enjoy my trip and dont worry about who is at what pool and not a guest and who is on the bus that i PAY FOR and not a dvc memeber...as a matter of fact neither of those 2 questions or concerns ever enetered my mind....rules are you kidding me...morally wrong are u kidding me.....get a life people and worry about something important......

you might actually have some good points but since the whole statement was started with a completely ignorant statement, I wouldnt know because i stopped right there.

 

[golfnut1264]

i took that quote from another post from hear..about the cast members hating dvc....but i dont care if you read or dont read it but i bet you actually read the whole post....what i meant was cast memebrs hate dvc owners like you not like me since i treat them with respect and how people in the service industry should be treated......get off your high horse....

 

[sjdisneywedding]

i took that quote from another post from hear..about the cast members hating dvc....but i dont care if you read or dont read it but i bet you actually read the whole post....what i meant was cast memebrs hate dvc owners like you not like me since i treat them with respect and how people in the service industry should be treated......get off your high horse....

like me? first off you dont even know me so dont pretend to, second if you read anything on here I said from the begining the busses are for everyones use

third your the one preaching, so maybe you should take your own advice and get on down before you hurt yourself

 

[wdw4life]

i took that quote from another post from hear..about the cast members hating dvc....but i dont care if you read or dont read it but i bet you actually read the whole post....what i meant was cast memebrs hate dvc owners like you not like me since i treat them with respect and how people in the service industry should be treated......get off your high horse....

You might want to read that other thread before declaring cast members don't hate you. I see you're from New Jersey. Cast members hate people from New Jersey.

 

[golfnut1264]

you are telling me to read your post but you wouldnt even read my entire post because but still feel compelled to comment on it becasue of the first sentence...give me a break...my issue is about most or some of the prima dona attitudes people have on this board....everything is a gripe..i look for info here and get crazy when i read these complaints like these...it is ok to complain about the buses if you have a problem with them..but why should dvc get special treatment on the buses..like they own the buses....i own at the bw and would never ever get pissed or upset if i took the bus back from a park and couldnt get a seat and found out that someone in a seat doesnt own dvc or even staying at the bw...maybe they just want to walk the bw or go to espn....that is just how i feel...i love owning dvc and going to disney and could care less what others do...i enjiy every minute i am there even when i am standing on the bus..which always happens because i give my seat to women and elderly whenever i can....i dont mean to offend anyone unless they fall into the prima dona category and they know who they are....

 

[Deb & Bill]

Hey, golfnut1264, chill, man. Gee, whiz. Don't get so hostile.

 

[golfnut1264]

wdw4life......
i doubt cast members hate me but if they hate someone who treats them with respect than they might hate me....i am always at disney with a smile...it a shame someone could be so shallow as to make a comment about where someone is from and stereotype them like that....but that is ok with me..next time i am at disney i will still be nice to everybody....there is a certain week in november that schools are closed for most of the week for teacher conferences and alot of nj people head to disney and spend their green hard earned money just like you....probably because thier are so many from nj that week it seems like an invasion and nj get a bad name....if you dont like people from nj dont go the week of nov 7.....

 

[wdw4life]

I don't hate anyone ,except terrorists,but you referenced the other thread. And that is one of the main points made about why cast members hate DVC. So doesn't matter how nice you are. It matters where you're from (according to that thread).

 

[Sammie]

Ok, sense I have no hair left this week from being roasted, I might as well jump in too.

By the way in case anyway is staying up thinking poor Sammie is going to have a stroke over any of this, I truely don't worry about it as much as other's would like to make it seem. I have things in perspective about what I worry about. This is just interesting debate. Ok that said.

The problem with many things at Disney is there are alot of grey areas of what is written, what is implied, what is enforced, what is reasonable, and what is acceptable within the guidelines of being courteous to others.

At one time when tickets stated unlimited transportation there were not so many resorts, parks or other areas to even go to. Within the grey areas is the problem that has started this thread. If you want to go to Downtown Disney to shop or dine there should be a bus from every park and every resort going there. SSR should not be used as an alternative to that and as members I think that complaint is legitimate.

Just as I think filling up the parking lot closest to the BW is not fair to members staying there and having to drive around looking for any available spot. That area needs an overflow lot and it needs to be charged. If you arrive at the BW gate to dine or shop without staying there or not being DVC member then you pay to park. Same with Downtown Disney. If you do not want to pay to park, then ride the bus. If you want the convenience of having your car there, then you pay for that.

Personally I think all resort parking lots should be for exclusive use of those guests, DVC members would have access to all DVC resorts. If I want to go to the Polynesian to eat and I am not staying there I don't mind paying to park, if I do I can ride the bus.

Any guest with a ticket can park in the main lots and go anywhere they want by bus. As many have said the abuse begins when someone tries to avoid that cost.

Sure Disney can do away with parking fees, they will just add that loss on to the cost of tickets. And believe me it would be huge loss.

 

[TDC Nala]

Yikes.

Seriously, say they've decided to do what some folks want done and limit the DVC resort buses to DVC members. This couldn't work for BCV, BWV or VWL because they are attached to their companion resorts; they'd need a whole new villa-specific fleet of buses. That'd be great, but it's not going to happen...so the owners at those resorts will start complaining about inequity since SSR and OKW are now getting exclusive buses.

Bus drivers would have to check room keys only for SSR and OKW (since both are solely DVC resorts). Really, I don't mind switching at a non-DVC resort if I'm riding the bus from a park to PI, so I'm not going to make that argument.

If you are NOT a DVC member, and are NOT staying at SSR, you don't have a car, and you'd like to take the bus to see SSR, take the tour, or visit someone staying there, you wouldn't be able to get there at all unless you were staying there yourself (or you had a car... maybe you shouldn't be parking there if you're not staying there, either, or what's to stop folks from parking there all day and taking the bus to the parks?) Oh, and you'd have to police the boats, too. How would the walkway be handled, put in an automatic gate that accepts only SSR room keys, or hire someone to check the room keys of path walkers?

I think Disney did its best to prevent DTD from becoming a free theme park parking lot by eliminating the direct buses to the parks, because switching buses anywhere is a pain in the tush. That's not going to stop the determined ones who absolutly have to save that eight bucks, even if they have to ride around on buses all morning. Any further restrictions would be too difficult to enforce if they're going to allow access to Disney transportation to anyone with a park pass - and if they don't, I'm sure they're afraid of losing some shopping and dining revenue.

Personally, I'm not for charging to park at DTD under any circumstances.

 

[pamlet]

First off I'm NOT a DVC owner.... so I'm probably breaking rule #1 by posting here..

I have to say tho' that the funniest line in this thread is "What scarlet letter would you have them wear?" This gave me the solution!!!

Issue ALL DVC owners a bright pink DVC tag to wear. Of course people from New Jersey would have a special indicator.. This could be applied to all guests. Deluxe could have Royal purple tags... Moderate's Green... Value, Blue... now I suppose that I'm going to be an offsite guest mine would have to be "danger... RED.." That way everyone would know what privileges go with who...

(Please understand where I'm coming from on this - prior to this thread I read one where people were calling themselves resort "snobs" - and sounded like it.. )

Seriously - I do understand the concern about the busses to SSR becoming crowded. I think charging for parking during the day at DTD is not out of line.. validation could help the cost. And people would not be tempted to use the lot for the parks.

We fully intend to pay for parking every day and moving the car from park to park as needed. The thought of riding the bus is nauseating to me.. I'm sure I will ride them at some point, but plan to do all I can to avoid them. I made a PS this moring for Trail's End - the CM was well aware that we're staying offsite - she advised me to take the bus to Fort Wilderness - then the bus back into the restaurant. She also advised me to leave 1 1/2 hours to get there from AK... I'm figuring on an hour - to get to the car at AK - drive to TTC.. (reusing my 8.00 parking) and taking the boat from the Contemporary to Fort Wilderness.... hmmm on second thought I'd better leave 1 1/2 hours for that trek..

 

[Mouse Ears]

Wow, I can't believe how heated this discussion has become!

I agree that the CMs should not be encouraging people to ride a bus to SSR and walk from there to get to DD. But, I don't think anything should necessarily be done to stop it.

It's amazing to me that anyone would spend hundreds for a day at WDW parks with their family and then waste an hour to save $8, but I know that some people will. Seriously, who can afford the parks and can't afford the parking.

Fortunately, I think the problem will be less pronounced over time. As SSR grows to capacity, the proportion of bus riders that are headed to DD will shrink relative to SSR residents. The additional riders will probably have little impact on the number of buses needed. The only significant consequence over the long term will be wear on that particular bus stop and the pathway - a minor issue.

The only real solution would be to provide a free or reduced-rate parking solution that is equally or more convenient than scamming from DD.

 

[senecabeach]

Well...Good Morning All!!


My gut says a moderator will be closing this thread soon...so...I would like to make this suggestion again:

Why not just have "FREE" parking at the theme parks...!!

"For ALL who come to this happy place...etc." Remember?

 

[CRobin]

Interesting thread.

There seems to be a predominant feeling that having a park ticket gives one access to Disney Transportation.

That may be the case, but Disney (in the link below) advertises a BENEFIT of staying on Disney property as it entitles one to the use of Disney's transportation system.

This would imply, to me at least, that this is a benefit not afforded to one not staying on Disney property, unless stated otherwise on their park ticket (which it may be; I don't have one handy)

http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/wdw/resorts/resortOther?id=ResortBenefitsPage

 

[MiaSRN62]

That may be the case, but Disney (in the link below) advertises a BENEFIT of staying on Disney property as it entitles one to the use of Disney's transportation system. This would imply, to me at least, that this is a benefit not afforded to one not staying on Disney property, unless stated otherwise on their park ticket (which it may be; I don't have one handy).

My Hopper states nothing about transportation period. I purchased this present one back in July '04. Not sure what the new MYW tickets state ? But from the disney.com site , they speak in general terms about their transportation :

Q: What is the best way to get around within the Walt Disney World® Resort?
A: There are many modes of transportation within the Walt Disney World Resort, including Bus, Boat and Monorail. A rundown of transportation within the resort:

By Bus:
Most areas of the Walt Disney World Resort are accessible by bus from other areas within the Resort, including Theme Parks*, Water Parks, the Disney Resorts and the Downtown Disney® area. Buses travel on routes throughout the Resort and do not provide direct service between all destinations.
*Magic Kingdom® Park is not accessible by bus from Disney's Contemporary Resort, Disney's Grand Floridian Resort & Spa and Disney's Polynesian Resort. These Resorts provide monorail transportation to the park.

By Boat:
The Magic Kingdom® Park is accessible by water launch from Disney's Contemporary Resort, Disney's Grand Floridian Resort & Spa, Disney's Polynesian Resort, Disney's Fort Wilderness Resort & Campground and Disney's Wilderness Lodge. The Disney ferryboats connect the Magic Kingdom Park to the Transportation and Ticket Center (adjacent to Magic Kingdom parking).

Epcot® and Disney-MGM Studios are accessible by boat from Disney's BoardWalk Inn and Villas Resort, Disney's Yacht Club and Disney's Beach Club Resorts and the Walt Disney World Swan and Walt Disney World Dolphin Hotels.

Downtown Disney® is accessible by ferryboat from Disney's Port Orleans Resort and Disney's Old Key West Resort.

By Monorail:
Disney's monorail runs between the Magic Kingdom Park, Disney's Contemporary Resort, Disney's Grand Floridian Resort & Spa, Disney's Polynesian Resort and the Transportation and Ticket Center (adjacent to the Magic Kingdom parking lot). A connecting monorail takes Guests from the Transportation and Ticket Center to Epcot.


So, my take : Nowhere does it state offsite guests can't use the transportation system ? If this is their intent, then they need to do more than invoke implication on our part. Many offsite guests don't even have cars. They use their hotel free (or paid) shuttle and those often times simply drop offsite guests off at the TTC or perhaps just the MK or Epcot. Offsite guests are responsible for finding their way to others parks,water parks or resorts for meals/shopping/spas etc. I don't see how WDW could eliminate offsite guests from the transportation system as a whole ? They would strand alot of folks. I just don't think that's the "disney way". Sure, it's a "benefit" of staying onsite because onsite guests have the perk/benefit of never having to step foot in their car if they have one. So I feel that's a loosely used term when referring to onsite guests (benefit). Disney just wants to "play up" the many advantages of staying in their hotels. This is the way I see it.

 

[sjdisneywedding]

Interesting thread.

There seems to be a predominant feeling that having a park ticket gives one access to Disney Transportation.

That may be the case, but Disney (in the link below) advertises a BENEFIT of staying on Disney property as it entitles one to the use of Disney's transportation system.

This would imply, to me at least, that this is a benefit not afforded to one not staying on Disney property, unless stated otherwise on their park ticket (which it may be; I don't have one handy)

http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/wdw/resorts/resortOther?id=ResortBenefitsPage

sorry this is only semi-correct, while it may be a benefit of staying on property, it doesnt mean that staying on property is the only way to get the benefit


Allears:
what do the Admission tickets include?

Regular Magic Your Way Base tickets provide entrance to a single theme park on a given day. Use of Disney transportation is included with admission.

The Annual Passport entitles you to unlimited admission with park hopping privileges to the 4 Main Parks for 12 months with no blackout dates*.. Complimentary use of WDW transportation system - monorails, ferryboats, and motor coaches - is include

theres more sites with the same info but i have already looked it up too many times