Refillable mugs at moderate resorts?

[CR Resort Fan 4 Life]

Yes, I disagree. This will be my final comment on this matter. I realize there's no getting through to you, so I guess I'm just talking to everyone else.

Your logic of conveniently using your own home-spun definitions for what is plain-spoken language truly staggers me. I hope you're just playing and you don;t actually think this way. Let me apply your logic and your creative linguistics to a more concrete example closer to you.

Let's say I'm walking through the Eaton Centre and stop in Athlete's World. I see a Leafs cap I like. Big signs at the front of the store and throughout the store say "No stealing our merchandise."

I grab the Leafs cap and stuff it into my jacket and walk out into the mall and eventually out onto Yonge Street, where I put on the cap and keep walking. I know everything's cool because I didn't steal the cap. I'm simply trying it out, I'm giving it a test drive to see if I like it, if it fits well, if it stands up to wind coming off the lake. My intent is not to steal the cap, it's to see if I like it, and they should let me do that because I spend a lot of money at Athlete's World and the C$25 I might have paid for the cap is meaningless to the company, a mere drop in the bucket. Besides, I would diagree with anyone who says I stole the cap. I'm just trying it out. Leave me alone already. I didn't steal it, I swear!

This is going to be my last reply also about the most recent mug debate. 1st when regarding your last reply, I feel I need to , because to me it makes no sense. My family & I already paid for our mugs, so we are not stealing anything. I still say if WDW was truly serious about not letting their guests use old mugs they would have signs that say, old mugs purchased back in whatever date are not allowed to be used. Saying good for length of stay sends mixed signals, because it does not say the mugs can't be used again. The only thing they are clear about is that you are not allowed to use them at other Resorts, because that is cleary stated. In the end my family & I will continue to use our old mugs, because we know we can & we know we are not going to burn in hell for stealing soda. Besides there is a lot more stealing that goes on everyday at WDW with their merchandice, so I think they are more worried about that then people who steal shirts, hats, beanies & etc.

 

[F4disneyfan]

CR Resort Fan 4 Life, let me give you an example of real-world morals.

I provided treatment to a teenager in his own home and community. I used a micro-cassette recorder (I don't know if they even exist anymore), a tape recorder with tiny cassettes that could fit in the palm of your hand. My client's father noticed I went through a lot of those tapes. He offered to get some for me (he knew I was just out of grad school and not exactly made of money) and I politely declined.

The follwing week, he gave me two boxes of them. I thanked him very much. Even though I declined his offer, I was flattered that he decided to help me out, and I didn't want to insult him by declining his thoughtful gesture. I offered to pay him for them, more of a gesture at being socially appropriate, as I knew he'd decline and I was going to leave it at that.

However, when he declined my offer for payment, he told me he didn't pay for them, that he took them from the office supply closet of one of the offices that he cleaned at night (he owned his own janitorial business).

I TURNED HIM DOWN. I DIDN'T ACCEPT THE TAPES. Why? I knew he stole them. I wasn't about to knowingly benefit from someone else stealing to get me something. He told me stuff like, "Oh, what's the big deal? It's a rich company and they don't pay me enough anyway. It won't hurt the company and they'll never miss the tapes -- they have several shelving units FULL of those tapes."

There's no way I'd get caught. There's no way he'd get caught. But I couldn't allow myself to benefit from someone else's theft, even if it didn't hurt the company. In this case, there was a definite right and wrong. What he did was wrong. Why should I care? I didn't steal the tapes! I cared because taking the tapes from him would have been wrong.

So how do you feel about those using mugs that were purchased before the change and how would you know the difference. I guess some people really do have a holier than thou attitude so do you go to church every Sunday and repent all your sins to. I hope you don't speed or roll through stop signs and make sure you return all the change you get back at the store if they give you to much back even if you don't relize it till you get home..

 

[CR Resort Fan 4 Life]

So how do you fel qabout those using mugs that were purchased before the change and how would you know the difference. I guess some eople really do have a holier than thou attitude so do you go to church every Sunday and repent all your sins to. I hope you don't speed or roll through stop signs and make sure you return all the change you get back at the store if they give you to much back even if you don't relize it till you get home..

Very well said. Also my family & I are people in the category of purchasing mugs under the good for life slogan & because of people like CleveRocks, we should feel like we are commiting a sin by using an old mug. I can think of a lot worse things I have done in life & using an old mugs comes no where close. It's not even on the list lol.

 

[CR Resort Fan 4 Life]

Some people on another message board told me I should have went down to the Food & Fun Center, one morning because the night before around 12:00 AM I purchased 2 sandwiches & was only charged for 1. I did not notice the mistake until I got back to my room & I thought to myself, Disney charges so much if I got something for free by accident, then who cares. Besides the CM who punched in my order would not have been there & if I told another CM I would like to pay for a sandwich which I had alreay finished the night before, because so & so forgot to charge me for it. They would have thought to themselves he is crazy & said it's no problem & not to worry about only paying for 1 sandwich. So if I had to guess, that could be worse then re-using an old mug, however I don't think it is & it was not my fault the CM made a mistake when putting my order in.

 

[CleveRocks]

So how do you feel about those using mugs that were purchased before the change and how would you know the difference. I guess some people really do have a holier than thou attitude so do you go to church every Sunday and repent all your sins to.

If there's an earlier rule that supercedes the current rule, then that speaks for itself. I'm just saying that each member of society should not feel themselves to be "holier" than the rules.

Whether someone is "illegally" re-using a mug clearly sold as a length-of-stay mug or is using an old one that is grandfathered into "legal" use really is none of my concern, since I'm not going up to people and saying anything.

I'm not about sitting and observing and judging individuals -- I'm talking about IDEAS here. I'm talking about the IDEA of following a rule. As I said in earlier posts, in the real world I'd keep my stupid opinion to myself, I'd NEVER say word one to anyone I thought was inappropriately re-using an old mug, it's not my place to say anything to them. They might be doing something wrong, in my opinion, but it's also my opinion that if I said anything to them then that would make me one rude S.O.B.!

When did it become a bad thing to follow rules, rather than trying to seek out all the angles to get away with things? And why do you think (as evidenced by your church comment) organized religion has a monopoly on moral behavior?

I get such a kick out of people who excuse their bad behavior by saying there is worse behavior out there. Yes, I know that, but we're not on a terrorism board or an insurance fraud board or an assault board, we're on a Disney board.

I hope you don't speed or roll through stop signs ...

I hope you don't, either. I work with accident victims. I see the horrible results every day. I treasure my life and your life too much to mess around while driving a 3000 pound weapon.

 

[CleveRocks]

Some people on another message board told me I should have went down to the Food & Fun Center, one morning because the night before around 12:00 AM I purchased 2 sandwiches & was only charged for 1. I did not notice the mistake until I got back to my room & I thought to myself, Disney charges so much if I got something for free by accident, then who cares. Besides the CM who punched in my order would not have been there & if I told another CM I would like to pay for a sandwich which I had alreay finished the night before, because so & so forgot to charge me for it. They would have thought to themselves he is crazy & said it's no problem & not to worry about only paying for 1 sandwich. So if I had to guess, that could be worse then re-using an old mug, however I don't think it is & it was not my fault the CM made a mistake when putting my order in.

Maybe I'm a nut, maybe I'm a hypocrite, but I think INTENTIONS play a big role. Obviously, I'm no lawyer, because in a court there's NO WAY to know what someone's intentions were. I'm just talking the IDEA of morality.

In my little mind, I agree with you in this instance. It was an accident, you didn't intend to not pay for it, and the CM didn't intend to cheat his employer. In my little mind, I wouldn't think it would be worth it to go back and try to pay for it. It happened, and if I were in that situation I'd just let it go and drop it. I'd consider it my lucky day and have a clear conscience.

But if I purposely evaded paying for the sandwich and I knew that the rule was that I should pay for it, then I wouldn't have a clear conscience, I'd feel, well ... guilty! The practical result is the same either way -- FREE SANDWICH!!! -- but again, in my little mind, I see a moral difference between an honest mistake and knowing I'm breaking a rule as I'm doing it.

Does this make me a hypocrite? I don't know, but this is the line I draw for myself. I can't draw this line for other people, because I can't know their intentions. But it's how I help guide my own behavior.

 

[CR Resort Fan 4 Life]

Whether someone is "illegally" re-using a mug clearly sold as a length-of-stay mug or is using an old one that is grandfathered into "legal" use really is none of my concern, since I'm not going up to people and saying anything.

It's funny how you talk about people "illegally" re-using old mugs, like it's a crime. News flash WDW won't kick you out or throw you in jail. So it bugs me when people refer to people using old mugs, as a crime which it's not. If you truly don't care what people do, why do you post & say it's wrong? I am sure you have your reasons, however that logic about not carring what they do & saying it's wrong does not make sense. Finally if people like me want to use a mug that we were told we could bring back on a future trip, then I see no problem with it because they said it was ok. I figure you can use the excuse it's printed good for length of stay, well me & other people can use the excuse the mugs were bought during the good for life promotion & we were told it was ok to bring them back.

 

[CR Resort Fan 4 Life]

Maybe I'm a nut, maybe I'm a hypocrite, but I think INTENTIONS play a big role. Obviously, I'm no lawyer, because in a court there's NO WAY to know what someone's intentions were. I'm just talking the IDEA of morality.

In my little mind, I agree with you in this instance. It was an accident, you didn't intend to not pay for it, and the CM didn't intend to cheat his employer. In my little mind, I wouldn't think it would be worth it to go back and try to pay for it. It happened, and if I were in that situation I'd just let it go and drop it. I'd consider it my lucky day and have a clear conscience.

But if I purposely evaded paying for the sandwich and I knew that the rule was that I should pay for it, then I wouldn't have a clear conscience, I'd feel, well ... guilty! The practical result is the same either way -- FREE SANDWICH!!! -- but again, in my little mind, I see a moral difference between an honest mistake and knowing I'm breaking a rule as I'm doing it.

Does this make me a hypocrite? I don't know, but this is the line I draw for myself. I can't draw this line for other people, because I can't know their intentions. But it's how I help guide my own behavior.

Your turning my words all around. I never sad I tried hide the 2nd sandwich to avioid paying for it. I said it was an honest mistake on the CM's part & maybe my part because I had the 2nd one undereath the 1st one. However I assumed the CM would have seen the 2 containers stack up, but he did not. So I had intended to pay for 2 & I only happened to pay for 1. So to me there is no moral difference, because I explained the whole story & you tried to turn it into a moral difference.

 

[CleveRocks]

Your turning my words all around. I never sad I tried hide the 2nd sandwich to avioid paying for it. I said it was an honest mistake on the CM's part & maybe my part because I had the 2nd one undereath the 1st one. However I assumed the CM would have seen the 2 containers stack up, but he did not. So I had intended to pay for 2 & I only happened to pay for 1. So to me there is no moral difference, because I explained the whole story & you tried to turn it into a moral difference.

I think I have it all figured out -- you just don't read well!!! Re-read my post and tell me where I twisted your words and said I thought you tried to hide a sandwich? I was giving examples of what DIDN'T happen!!!

What part of "I AGREE WITH YOU" did you not understand??? Geez, I bent over backwards saying that I believe intentions to be important, and that since it was an accident I agreed with you. Please read more carefully!!!

 

[CleveRocks]

Your turning my words all around. I never sad I tried hide the 2nd sandwich to avioid paying for it. I said it was an honest mistake on the CM's part & maybe my part because I had the 2nd one undereath the 1st one. However I assumed the CM would have seen the 2 containers stack up, but he did not. So I had intended to pay for 2 & I only happened to pay for 1. So to me there is no moral difference, because I explained the whole story & you tried to turn it into a moral difference.

In my little mind, I agree with you in this instance. It was an accident, you didn't intend to not pay for it, and the CM didn't intend to cheat his employer. In my little mind, I wouldn't think it would be worth it to go back and try to pay for it. It happened, and if I were in that situation I'd just let it go and drop it. I'd consider it my lucky day and have a clear conscience.

Right there in black and white. I wrote "It was an accident, you didn't intend to not pay for it ...." Talk about twisting words ... you twisted mine!

Now I get it why you have such difficulty understanding what "length of stay" means, if you don't know what "I agree with you" means ....

 

[CR Resort Fan 4 Life]

Right there in black and white. I wrote "It was an accident, you didn't intend to not pay for it ...." Talk about twisting words ... you twisted mine!

Now I get it why you have such difficulty understanding what "length of stay" means, if you don't know what "I agree with you" means ....

Ok me saying you were twisting my words around, was the wrong words to use so I am sorry about that. What I meant was, I never mentioned anything about it being a moral difference, because I knew I did nothing wrong.

I am going to say again in my own personal view, the term length of stay means from the day you check in, until the day you check out. I say that because it does not say can not bring back these mugs on a future vacation. Besides if people did bring them back, which I am sure they do. How can you or any of the other "mug police" tell the difference if the designs have not changed? If your answer is going to be, your consicience can't you come up with something different for once. So your not going to change my view about what the term means.

Also because you did not answer something I said to you before, you claim you don't care if people bring back their old mugs, but yet you post saying how they are illegally using them. So to me your being a hypocrite when having 1 opinion, but giving another one. Sounds a lot like John Kerry flip flopping on what he believed in during the 2004 Presidental election.

 

[CleveRocks]

This is fruitless. I'm done.

 

[jahow7]

This is fruitless. I'm done.

Thank goodness you are done!!
I am amazed at how upset people get over this whole mug issue.
If Disney doesn't care, then why should you?
If you want to buy a new mug every time you visit WDW go ahead, just stop telling people what you think is right with respect to rules, morality, and "stealing".

 

[CR Resort Fan 4 Life]

Thank goodness you are done!!
I am amazed at how upset people get over this whole mug issue.
If Disney doesn't care, then why should you?
If you want to buy a new mug every time you visit WDW go ahead, just stop telling people what you think is right with respect to rules, morality, and "stealing".

I agree 100%. There are a lot worse things in life to worry about. If you want to complain about something that has to do with WDW, then how them always raising the price of admission on Park Hopper tickets & raising the rates at their Resorts.

 

[CleveRocks]

Thank goodness you are done!!
I am amazed at how upset people get over this whole mug issue.
If Disney doesn't care, then why should you?
If you want to buy a new mug every time you visit WDW go ahead, just stop telling people what you think is right with respect to rules, morality, and "stealing".

If you think I should stop sharing my opinion, then why do you think you should share yours???

Message boards are a GREAT place to share opinions. At least that's my opinion ....

 

[CR Resort Fan 4 Life]

If you think I should stop sharing my opinion, then why do you think you should share yours???

Message boards are a GREAT place to share opinions. At least that's my opinion ....

I think what jahow7 is trying to say is in your previous replies you said you don't care what people do, however you keep posting that using old mugs is illegal & morarly wrong. So either you want to keep cramming your opinions down our throats, or you don't care what people do. So I say make a decision & stick with it.

 

[CleveRocks]

I think what jahow7 is trying to say is in your previous replies you said you don't care what people do, however you keep posting that using old mugs is illegal & morarly wrong. So either you want to keep cramming your opinions down our throats, or you don't care what people do. So I say make a decision & stick with it.

I wrote and meant that I would never actually say anything to anyone in the real world about it, because that would be rude, but here on a message board is a socially appropriate place to discuss opinions. Can you understand the difference.

I also suspect that you might change your mind about right and wrong once Mommy and Daddy stop paying the bills and making decisions for you, and you have to function on your own.

Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur and Ramadan are upon us. Peace be unto you.

 

[CR Resort Fan 4 Life]

I wrote and meant that I would never actually say anything to anyone in the real world about it, because that would be rude, but here on a message board is a socially appropriate place to discuss opinions. Can you understand the difference.

I also suspect that you might change your mind about right and wrong once Mommy and Daddy stop paying the bills and making decisions for you, and you have to function on your own.

Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur and Ramadan are upon us. Peace be unto you.

I agree with your statement that it would be wrong to say that to a person, your using an old mug is illegal & morarly wrong. I just don't agree with the fact that you want to keep telling people it's wrong over the Internet, so don't tell me again I missed the point of what you were saying.

Also & not that's any of your business I make my own decisions in life & if my parents wanted to help me out, I don't see anything wrong with that. So don't preach your moral views about that on me.

 

[Deb & Bill]

Mugs have been sold for length of stay since at least 1997 when I bought my first mugs. Signs were posted at the mug station where you purchased the mug. Now, because so many people don't get that, they have started posting the length of stay info right on the mug. Now, if Disney didn't care, why would they post this info on the mug? When another DIS member wrote a letter to Disney about the mugs, they stated that their current policy was that ALL mugs are only good for the length of stay. That included old mugs. I have been purchasing mugs since 1997 and never saw any that were good forever.

Some of us on the DIS (and I think CleveRocks might also fit in here) choose to let newer members know about Disney rules. And try to refute the ones that others tell their exceptions to. Exceptions to these rules. They are exceptions and they sometime happen.

Theft is theft, whether you steal soda from Disney or whether you rob a bank. What is so difficult to understand?????

 

[jahow7]

I wrote and meant that I would never actually say anything to anyone in the real world about it, because that would be rude, but here on a message board is a socially appropriate place to discuss opinions. Can you understand the difference.

I also suspect that you might change your mind about right and wrong once Mommy and Daddy stop paying the bills and making decisions for you, and you have to function on your own.

Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur and Ramadan are upon us. Peace be unto you.

For someone who is in favour of people expressing their own opinions you sure can be rude and sarcastic on these boards.
How do you know who pays for anyones expenses or is involved in decision making, and even if you did it should be of no concern to you.
What you consider right from wrong is your own opinion and nobody elses.