Really...enough already!

[MiniGirl]

I think a lot of people are angry because the ideology that they have followed for most of their lives is not in vogue anymore. They're upset that a majority of the voters chose something different and they're still trying to convince those people that they were wrong.

I don't think it is that at all. I'm not angry or trying to convince anyone that they are wrong and I am right. I can only speak for myself, and don't pretend to speak for anyone else. Personally, though, I am more confused than angry. I don't understand how I became the bad guy (well... girl). I always try to be respectful -- even when I disagree. I try not to judge others for their mistakes because, Lord knows, I have made more than my share of them, too. I live within my means and do without the things we can't afford. I tell my kids "no" a healthy amount of time because I don't want them to become "special snowflakes." I am a good neighbor and try to follow the golden rule. I admit when I make mistakes and apologize when I realize I've hurt someone. However, because I don't want to bail out those who didn't show the same restraint I did, I'm the bad guy. I'm the bad guy because I don't want my tax money to go to things which I am opposed to. (I'm not against private funding of these things, btw, I just don't want my money to go towards things which are in contradiction to my faith.) However, I am called intolerant and close-minded by those who don't know me.

I guess you are right though. The "work hard, pay your own way and reap the rewards" ideology I grew up with is dying, and I'm not accepting it well. I guess I will have to get used to that.

 

[joviroxx]

I think someone needs to take the time to define the term Marxism to our conservative friends.

It's beyond ridiculous that conservatives are throwing out McCarthy era insults to the liberals. What next, are they going to accuse of us petting with our boyfriends in the backseat of our jalopy?

Actually, I don't think Marxists consider it an insult. Why is the word an insult? They have a set of beliefs that I don't agree with and don't want to see in this country but it exist. But then again, I've been called "Republican" as if someone thought they were insulting me.

 

[talulabelle]

I agree. He is OUR president now. You don't have to like him, but supporting him wouldn't hurt. Complaining about it isn't going to do anything.

Did liberals take this position during the Bush years????

 

[PK Disney Dork]

I find it disturbing that rather than really address my original point, people are falling into the same habits in here that they do in the other threads...

 

[talulabelle]

I find it disturbing that rather than really address my original point, people are falling into the same habits in here that they do in the other threads...

What habits? Disagreeing with you?

 

[rie'smom]

People gave Fmr Pres. Bush a chance and it shows in the poll numbers. His approval rating at this point in his administration was higher than Pres. Obama's is now. It took time for people to become dissatisfied with him. Yes, it got ugly towards the end, but to say that he received the same treatment 8 years ago is a little tough for me to believe given the poll numbers. After 9/11, he was polling in the 90's-so people definitely gave him a chance.

I beg to differ. You haven't been around these boards for the past 8 years. It got ugly.

I find it disturbing that rather than really address my original point, people are falling into the same habits in here that they do in the other threads...

This is the direction that threads of this type usually take. If people's beliefs or politics are challeneged, they will respond. The CB is a place where people can express themselves and do.

 

[PeterPan09]

I beg to differ. You haven't been around these boards for the past 8 years. It got ugly.



This is the direction that threads of this type usually take. If people's beliefs or politics are challeneged, they will respond. The CB is a place where people can express themselves and do.

True, I wasn't here then. I'm using the facts available to show that at the same point in his Administration, Fmr Pres Bush had an approval rating that was HIGHER than President Obama has now. Simple logic then led me to believe that more people "gave him a chance" then are giving Pres. Obama a chance now.

Yes, as his second term went on it did get ugly, but if we are discussing giving someone a chance, we're talking about the same point in their administration-not 6 years down the line.

 

[wvjules]

Wow, that's a record. Non supporters being called racists on page one! Kudos to you GP for insulting everyone that doesn't support him.

 

[HakunaMatata2]

But it is NOT true that people didn't give Fmr Pres Bush a chance, is it?

So basically, all this carrying on about Pres Obama now is payback?? If you didn't like what was done to "your" guy, then why do it to someone else? Wouldn't you want to be seen as better than those who did that to Bush?

And I happen to think President Obama is doing just fine.

It's not payback. It's simply voters expressing their feelings about the actions of the president and congress. The same thing happened when Bush was president.
Bush was president of the US. He was a star in the big league, just as Obama is now. The big difference I see between the two men is that Bush supporters didn't ask opponents to 'leave him alone'. Obama seems to need a lot of protectors.
I think anyone capable of holding the highest office in the US had better be made of strong stuff. If they can't handle criticism from the opposition, they shouldn't have sought the position in the first place.

 

[PeterPan09]

It's not payback. It's simply voters expressing their feelings about the actions of the president and congress. The same thing happened when Bush was president.
Bush was president of the US. He was a star in the big league, just as Obama is now. The big difference I see between the two men is that Bush supporters didn't ask opponents to 'leave him alone'. Obama seems to need a lot of protectors.
I think anyone capable of holding the highest office in the US had better be made of strong stuff. If they can't handle criticism from the opposition, they shouldn't have sought the position in the first place.

If it's not payback, then why is the first thing posted in defense of an insult is "Well, you should have seen what THEY said about Bush!!!!" Sounds like payback to me if that's what you're using to justify it.

The loudest voices are from people with little elephant signatures or Glenn Beck sigs-and they didn't vote for Obama. Of course they're not going to like what he does!

I really doubt that this President or the last one really cared that much what people posted about them on the internet.

 

[HakunaMatata2]

If it's not payback, then why is the first thing posted in defense of an insult is "Well, you should have seen what THEY said about Bush!!!!" Sounds like payback to me if that's what you're using to justify it.

The loudest voices are from people with little elephant signatures or Glenn Beck sigs-and they didn't vote for Obama. Of course they're not going to like what he does!

I really doubt that this President or the last one really cared that much what people posted about them on the internet.

Again, it's not payback. It is simply voters expressing their feelings the current politics in the same way that it has been done throughout history. I feel quite certain that the same thing would be happening if McCain had been elected. There would be those folks that agreed with his policies and those that didn't.
Opponents of Obama are not trying to 'payback' anything. It is as simple as not liking his agenda. Is it hard to understand that not everyone approves of Obama's political decisions and the direction he is taking this country?

 

[VickiVM]

Again, it's not payback. It is simply voters expressing their feelings the current politics in the same way that it has been done throughout history. I feel quite certain that the same thing would be happening if McCain had been elected. There would be those folks that agreed with his policies and those that didn't.
Opponents of Obama are not trying to 'payback' anything. It is as simple as not liking his agenda. Is it hard to understand that not everyone approves of Obama's political decisions and the direction he is taking this country?

"YES IT IS!"
"NO, IT ISN'T!"
"YES IT IS!"
......

 

[PeterPan09]

Again, it's not payback. It is simply voters expressing their feelings the current politics in the same way that it has been done throughout history. I feel quite certain that the same thing would be happening if McCain had been elected. There would be those folks that agreed with his policies and those that didn't.
Opponents of Obama are not trying to 'payback' anything. It is as simple as not liking his agenda. Is it hard to understand that not everyone approves of Obama's political decisions and the direction he is taking this country?

This whole conversation started because I quoted a poster who made the point that Bush was treated badly-which led me to ask if treating Obama was payback. If you weren't that poster, then I wasn't really accusing you personally of payback. I know there are a good many people who disagree or dislike Obama's policies with no payback involved, he didn't win by that large of a majority. However, the poster I quoted used the "they did it to my guy" defense, so I asked about payback.

 

[DisneyMomOK]

I find it disturbing that rather than really address my original point, people are falling into the same habits in here that they do in the other threads...

You consider certain issues trivialities, others perceive those as character statements, denial of campaign promises, significant missteps in his role as our representative to the world and unacceptable hypocrisy. I think his push to spend a trillion plus dollars (with interest) days after inauguration without careful review, shows his fiscal failure; the same failure with which he deservedly hit Bush on the campaign trail. I can only take from your post that your perception of acceptable dissent is the only perception that should be heard.

 

[SwedishMeatball]

NEW RULE

I agree, some of the threads are strange. but after skimming a large number of them, I am of the belief that they are pinging on him because they are simply prejudice against a black President, but since it is NOT P.C. to use racist terms, they find the minutiae of his life and take it to the maximum level of ridicule they can manufacture out of it.

A level headed person would agree that a few months in ANY job making high level decisions will not immediately fix problems, let alone the magnitude of the one the President of the United States has to accomplish.

Let me sum up, they are racist, and are hiding it behind other issues. in my opinion.

RUM?

Is this your attempt to silence dissenting opinions among those who would dare consider to criticize the untouchable Obama?? Good luck with that lame and stale mantra.

While I'm remaining neutral...i'ts not shocking how fast the detractors of either party quickly jump to extremist terms like marxist when they aren't really applicable.

Yeah, or terms like racist.

I don't care for Obama's politics. I'm not racist and I'm not Republican. I don't post often on the political threads because they get my blood pressure up too high. There have been a huge number of threads about how much people hate Obama (let's face it, there's a lot of amunition right now). In addition, there have been fawning nauseating posts about how wonderful he is as well. Different strokes for different folks.

That being said, I find many of the posts in this thread insulting. I have a right to my opinion and I will NOT allow the bully culture to strip me of those opinions. I will not let the media tell me that if I disagree I am small minded. I will not allow posters to tell me I am somehow bitter about the election and too immature to let it go and "give Obama a chance". The man has, in the short period he's been in office, managed to bankrupt my children, threaten my livelihood and make outrageously stupid foreign policy statements. That is my opinion....don't like it? Too bad.

Now I don't generally open or post on the threads about this stuff, that said, I wonder how many of us are out there and keeping our mouths shut in an effort to promote the peace. But our minds are active.

I suspect there are quite a few people shying away from expressing their opinions because they don't want to be labeled as racist.

And my opinion has changed towards certain posters here.

No doubt.

I don't think it is that at all. I'm not angry or trying to convince anyone that they are wrong and I am right. I can only speak for myself, and don't pretend to speak for anyone else. Personally, though, I am more confused than angry. I don't understand how I became the bad guy (well... girl). I always try to be respectful -- even when I disagree. I try not to judge others for their mistakes because, Lord knows, I have made more than my share of them, too. I live within my means and do without the things we can't afford. I tell my kids "no" a healthy amount of time because I don't want them to become "special snowflakes." I am a good neighbor and try to follow the golden rule. I admit when I make mistakes and apologize when I realize I've hurt someone. However, because I don't want to bail out those who didn't show the same restraint I did, I'm the bad guy. I'm the bad guy because I don't want my tax money to go to things which I am opposed to. (I'm not against private funding of these things, btw, I just don't want my money to go towards things which are in contradiction to my faith.) However, I am called intolerant and close-minded by those who don't know me.

I guess you are right though. The "work hard, pay your own way and reap the rewards" ideology I grew up with is dying, and I'm not accepting it well. I guess I will have to get used to that.

Well said!!

I beg to differ. You haven't been around these boards for the past 8 years. It got ugly.

This is the direction that threads of this type usually take. If people's beliefs or politics are challeneged, they will respond. The CB is a place where people can express themselves and do.

If it's not payback, then why is the first thing posted in defense of an insult is "Well, you should have seen what THEY said about Bush!!!!" Sounds like payback to me if that's what you're using to justify it.

Maybe they are pointing out the hypocrisy of it.

 

[DisneyMomOK]

Is this your attempt to silence dissenting opinions among those who would dare consider to criticize the untouchable Obama?? Good luck with that lame and stale mantra.



Yeah, or terms like racist.



I suspect there are quite a few people shying away from expressing their opinions because they don't want to be labeled as racist.



No doubt.



Well said!!







Maybe they are pointing out the hypocrisy of it.

 

[CPT Tripss]

I think someone needs to take the time to define the term Marxism to our conservative friends.

It's beyond ridiculous that conservatives are throwing out McCarthy era insults to the liberals. What next, are they going to accuse of us petting with our boyfriends in the backseat of our jalopy?

Can I ride in your jalopy?

 

[Cool-Beans]

Yes, President Obama is the first President to be lambasted on these boards.

It never happened before.

And God didn't make little green apples and it don't rain in Indianapolis in the summertime.

 

["Got Disney"]

For the past three plus months every time I've wandered onto the community board I've seen countless new threads demonizing President Barak Obama.

Multiple times during the day I have found new threads digging incredibly deep to find any sort of minutia to twist and lambast...attempting to take any small tidbit of information and manipulating into a lengthy diatribe how within a mere two months in office this one man has cursed our nation.

Really...? Two months...?

You know I don't care what each and every one of the DIS members political leanings are...nor do I care to know the details of your personal politics...but I do know it's incredibly insane...yes insane...to believe that any sort of policy...package...etc...that's been enacted in the brief time President Obama has been in office has had any opportunity to be deemed a success or a failure yet!

I know the GOP and all its followers are still upset they lost the election...and who can blame them? Still the level of petty threads I have found here by President Obama's detractors is just...well it's just sad...

He's teleprompter dependent?

He's snubbed the Prime Minister of England?

He's compared himself to Lincoln?

I've read the source articles on these three subjects...and I'm sorry the threads that have derived from them are really reachy!

And these were just a few examples...I could go on...but honestly...it kind of turns my stomach.

Now I know what will be said...'what about the years of Bush Jr bashing?'...and I can't argue with there being years of it...but honestly...the man was in office for eight years...he earned the complaints he garned here during his presidency!

Oh yes...and I did my homework and went back in the DIS forums as much as possible...I found virtually NOTHING back when Bush Jr was orignally elected! Sure there were a few "Bush stole the election" threads and the like...but really...that's about it. Then...as Bush Jr's terms in office mounted...and after 9/11 and things in Washington and abroad began to crumble...the anti-Bush Jr rants mounted...but only then!

In closing...really my biggest upset is just how devisive the Community board has become. All the political nagging...for lack of a better term...makes me sad. Especially when as far as I can see...the majority of it is incredibly pre-mature.

This post really bothers me...why...because no one(liberals) seems to have a problem using the worst words about Bush that could possibly be said about a human being. I do not and have never ever liked Bush so lets first make that straight.

Even the posters in the Conservative no this about me. DH would always tease me and say "Hay Robin your boy friend is on TV....being sarcastic of course. So I do not just make my bashing remarks about Obama....it's fair game in my book.

But the Liberals in one breath will say....Obama is our POTUS now so stop with the name calling yet in the next sentence will bash Bush

So its okay to bash Bush from day one when he was the POTUS but not Obama?????? give me a break.

So I say to those being just a little hypocritical about this bashing ....dont try to take a stick out of someones eye when you have a board in your own!

I have not even attempted to read this thread...just your post. If you recall almost half of the people in the USA voted against Obama....and there for those half will have poor opinions of how Obama/Representatives is handling things....even ones that did vote for him are questioning.

So I say....what's good for the goose is good for the gander....it works both ways....and there are 2 things in this world that you cant win about in argument, and that is Religion and Politics.

I have voted for many Presidents and there has not been one where there was 100% approval ratings for. So the bashing will continue with Obama and the POTUS after him and so on and so on and so on.....

so to everyone that thinks it's fair to bash one but not the other......your wrong....you may think that one is worse than the other...maybe, will see, and time will tell. Who knows where Obama will be in 4 to 8 years.

I will continue to criticize both or any POTUS as long as I feel that Obama or any of our representatives act like YAHOOS. I put a Halo over no one. A politician is a politician is a politician....no matter what some may think.

Thanks for letting me say my peace...have a great blessed day.

 

[TLSnell1981]

I'm sorry you don't like some of the discussions on Obama. There is a growing number that doesn't approve of his policies and agenda. Not, just the ones who didn't vote for him.

Starting a sympathy thread for Obama's only going to be appreciated by one side. Especially, since you take a swipe at the other side. For many of us, this isn't "tit-for-tat". We don't like his marxist ideas. We have a right to voice our concerns. I don't believe what he says. I believe his record and his actions. He is not a moderate. I also do not believe he has the experience needed to be POTUS. He has made a string of stupid mistakes. And, the teleprompter issue IS real. He can't speak without it.

Godwin's Law needs a corollary relating to the invocation of "Marxist" rapidly following the posting of a positive about President Obama.

Ahoy Grumpy, good observation on the motivation. Can the Captain have a couple o' gills o' rum?

Wow. It goes from saying BO has Marxist ideas to he's a Marxist, so now dissenters are racist?

This really speaks volumes. We don't like his policies or agenda. We don't like his job performance. So, now it's down to nasty accusations and name calling? I'm not surprised. This is why I quit voting for dems.