Really Bad News About Work....

kristieuk

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I'm just posting this in a bit of a state. I feel the need to talk to someone, and everyone here is always really good at listening! But I warn you, there is a lot of boring explanation for which I apologise.

I know that us lawyers are often seen as greedy and uncaring, but I hope you will believe me when I say not all of us are like that. I care (too much) about all of the cases I do. They often keep me awake at night, worrying about how clients will cope with prison, worrying that there is more that I could do to help them....and feeling guilty about representing some of the people we have to.

Anyway, the way the government is reforming the way solicitors are paid for publicly funded work is changing a lot. I can say without bias that a lot of the reforms are really unfair and completely miss the point. The biggest losers are the public - and please be open minded and accept that lots of people deserve the help we give, whether because they are actually innocent, made a terrible mistake, or just need help generally. Not all criminals are nasty no-good people - most are just like you or me who happened to take a wrong turn, or get into a drunken fight that goes wrong.

Over the past 4 years, larger cases have come under a specific contract where every minute of work done has to be 'pre-approved' by a civil servant before we can even do it. Lots of firms have boycotted this and made a huge fuss, but I can see the thinking behind it and have become quite an expert in them, without wishing to sound bigheaded. I have worked with lots of very senior barristers and QC's who have raved about the way our firm has handled cases, and particularly the larger contracted cases. We have always just got on with it, and have also been praised by the individual civil servants who act as our Contract Managers.

We now need to 'reapply' for the right to do these cases and prove that we are 'value for money' etc. However, the selection criteria is so tight that our small high street practice is going to be dwarfed by the larger city firms. They have also said that if the firm has has a contract terminated within the past 2 years, they are not eligible to apply (even though I have been doing these cases since 2003). Unfortunately, 2 years ago, we had a contract terminated in our family law department being run by a Partner who had just left the firm. It was a different office, different staff, a completely different department, basically run into the ground by a Partner who wasn't found out until it was too late.

The long and short of it is that because of that, and despite all of the excellent work my department has done, it seems we probably won't even be able to apply for a place on the Panel. With that goes the bulk of my work, and with that goes my job.

I am so devastated I can hardly speak. I know I have rambled on, and probably made nothing but boring nonsense. But this is everything I have worked 10 years for. My knowledge and skills are basically worthless without these cases, and are completely untransferrable to any other career. I am 29 weeks pregnant, and just feel like I can't cope with the thought of worrying about our livelihood for the next few months. This should be such a happy time, but in a day, everything has changed and I feel so desperate, I just don't know where to turn.

Sorry this is so long. And if you got this far, thank you for listening.
 
:grouphug: :grouphug: Hugs to you, I know you probably can't see any way out of it at the moment but hopefully things will work out ok for you. The main thing is that you try not to upset yourself, your health and that of your baby are far more important. I know it's easy for me to say but I have been where you are with work situations and it's hard but you will come through it.

Hugs again
Gems :grouphug:
 
What can I say except it all seems unfair :confused3 and what timing :sad1:

It's pointless telling you not to worry so I'll just offer a :hug: and throw in some pixiedust: if it is of any help!

I have no practical advice to offer sorry not much help.
 
Oh bless you. Try not to worry too much otherwise you could be having your baby a little earlier ;)

I really dont understand law side of things at all. I cant really offer any advice other than say I am sorry to hear your feeling so low and things do work out well in the end.

Again I dont understand how your job works, but cant you take early maternity leave and perhaps look for a new company that will be a bigger practice on returning back to work? Sorry if this is completely stupid but I cant think of anything else?

Take care and hope you feel better tonight

:hug:
 

:hug: i hope that your job situation improves, as others have said your health and that of your baby is the most important
 
Please don't worry yourself about it - not good for you or baby- things in life have a way of sorting themselves out.

you have a lot of transferable skills that any other firm would be only to happy to utilise, if it indeed comes down to this. But, it's not nice when our rug is pulled from under us.

Think positive, this could be an opportunity to change direction.:thumbsup2
 
I hope you can sort something out and sending you some pixiedust: Surely this is a matter for your partners/management to get involved in rather than you (unless you are a partner)? You must remain positive especially for the sake of your baby.

I work in a solicitors office but have no knowledge of litigation as I work in conveyancing. It's certainly tough with all the changes in legislation etc and trying to keep on top of things. We had all the work involved in HIPS which then didn't happen on 1st June and we're now waiting for 1st August to see what changes are implemented.

I agree that its also hard for smaller firms to compete with the larger "bucket shops" who can charge much lower fees.
 
Hi Kristie,

I used to be a criminal defence lawyer myself so I know exactly what you mean. It sounds to me like you have built up an expertise and reputation that any firm would be eager to take on board.

Could you maybe have some discrete feelers put out through your regular barristers or their clerks to see if any firms are taking people on just in case you do need to move on?

At the moment I agree with what others have said, your health and the health of your baby is far too important for you to spend time worrying. :hug:
 
I know its easier said than done but try not to worry too much, the baby needs you to stay calm. I really hope this is a case of one door closing and another one opening. Like the others said, could you try and go to another firm? Hope it all works out. :wizard:
 
Kristie - that is so unfair and so frustrating. There is nothing worse than being excellent at a job you are doing, and being unable to compete against the 'big boys'. Admittedly, I dont really understand the ins and outs of the law but can understand your sadness at being held back by some silly rulings.

Hope everything works out for you - take care of yourself and the baby. :hug:

Sara. :)
 
Thanks everyone for giving me such a lift. I think the panic set in, and once that happens, it's so hard to think rationally isn't it? I really hope that long term things sort themselves out, but it just came as a huge shock as we were completing the forms - we meet all the criteria so far as experience and knowledge etc go, we just hadn't anticipated there were going to be any problems at all. It was completely unexpected.

It's difficult to contemplate moving firms as it is a family firm owned by my stepdad. It's just something that never crossed my mind. I know he would always find something for me, but this is what I'm good at, it's what I know, and I definitely don't want him to sacrifice profitability to bail me out. Business is business, and it's tough at the moment anyway.

Who knows what the future holds? I need to be very positive about it, but I feel so gutted right now, it's hard to see the wood for the trees. I know the baby (and DH and DD) come first, but I love how life is right now, happily married, new home, new baby, and I hate that there is anything to jeopardise that. That's life I suppose!

Thanks so much for the support, you have no idea how much it helps :grouphug:
 
I don't know anything about this so my question might be stupid but here goes. You said you cannot re-apply because of something that happened 2 years ago. Will you be able to apply again in a year or twos time say because then what happened 2 years ago won't be a problem? You could take redundency and you'd be stopping working soon for the baby anyway and then go back to work when you can re-apply?

Sending you lots of :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
 
I don't know anything about this so my question might be stupid but here goes. You said you cannot re-apply because of something that happened 2 years ago. Will you be able to apply again in a year or twos time say because then what happened 2 years ago won't be a problem? You could take redundency and you'd be stopping working soon for the baby anyway and then go back to work when you can re-apply?

Sending you lots of :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

I don't know the answer to that! Sensibly then yes, you would think the old matter would have expired, but these things often don't work logically or fairly. At the end of the day, the government is doing it all it can to cut back on legal aid spending, and I think if they can streamline things so they only work with a small number of firms, it saves on their costs.

But it is something we are looking at - and thank you for the suggestion. Sometimes when I'm in a fuzz, the obvious isn't so obvious. Blind panic has taken over (and I read that a woman's brain shrinks by 3% in pregancy - more like 30% I think!).

Thanks everyone for your kind wishes and hugs. It's nice to know you all there :hug:
 














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