Raya - theater vs disney plus

[Katiebird]

What I think will happen is that in a month I can bet if Raya And The Last Dragon does well Disney+ will eventually lower the price for Raya And The Last Dragon and have it listed for free. I mean families want to watch a new movie on Disney+ for free not play a game of The Price Is Right which is what I think Disney+ is trying to do

Disney has already stated that the movie will be available to all D+ subscribers at no extra cost in June. They’re not going to change the cost as time goes by, that would set a terrible precedent. They have to make money on the movies to keep making new ones.

 

[RamblingMad]

Disney has already stated that the movie will be available to all D+ subscribers at no extra cost in June. They’re not going to change the cost as time goes by, that would set a terrible precedent. They have to make money on the movies to keep making new ones.

I'm going to wait. Gives me something to look forward to this summer.

 

[BrianL]

Well, I bought tickets for Sunday. I am going to try it. They are doing spacing at the theater so only every other row and two seats between parties. Seats are selected ahead of time and I was the first to buy, so I've got the dead center! I am really looking forward to it.

 

[Carol_]

After all those posts touting my love for theater-going, my kid finally got his homework done and earned himself the right to see Raya. When given the option to either see it in the theater or at home, he said home!
So now we’re seeing it tonight on premier access.

 

[TwoMisfits]

The movie is having a horrible box office opening overseas...and domestic is still in flux, but not looking good. Disney really needs to rethink their box office revenue terms with theaters (many overseas, like Cinemark here, didn't show it) and their D+ price, b/c if they also didn't deliver D+ rentals, this could be a financial blood bath...

 

[Carol_]

The movie is having a horrible box office opening overseas...and domestic is still in flux, but not looking good. Disney really needs to rethink their box office revenue terms with theaters (many overseas, like Cinemark here, didn't show it) and their D+ price, b/c if they also didn't deliver D+ rentals, this could be a financial blood bath...

What constitutes “horrible” in times like these? I’m just happy to have a theater open and showing it! Tom and Jerry was sold out last weekend but I doubt the numbers are anywhere near “normal.”

 

[TwoMisfits]

What constitutes “horrible” in times like these? I’m just happy to have a theater open and showing it! Tom and Jerry was sold out last weekend but I doubt the numbers are anywhere near “normal.”

"From Corpse:

Unfortunately, Raya and the Last Dragon is a major bomb. It barely made the Top 10 (10th place) for Friday, only grossing around $40,000. It'll do better over the weekend since it skews younger/toward families, but it doesn't look like it has any chance of debuting in the Top 5 and might be closer to 10th than 5th (thinking ~8th right now). Even if it doubles up on Saturday and increases on Sunday, I don't see an opening much higher than $200,000 if it gets there.

It's only playing in 244 locations (~30-40% less than the typical Disney release), largely due to Toho Cinemas (the busiest chain in the country) not playing it. I'm guessing they weren't on board with Disney's Disney+ same-day release and/or Disney's rumored higher share request to play their films now. Also, I didn't check many Movix Cinema locations, but the handful I did also aren't playing Raya.

So Toho and Movix combined account for almost 100 theaters, which would have brought Raya's count up closer to the typical big Disney release. And without Toho Cinemas, your film is pretty much DOA in Japan."

"Its #3 today in Vietnam behind two locals despite being biggest release."

And China isn't good, either...Russia, one bright spot, is at par with T&J opening day.

 

[Olaf Myfrenzargay]

Just saw Tom and Jerry at the Theatre with my little one. First movie I’ve seen since before the Great Panic of 2020 and I am convinced that the movie theatre experience is simply not reproducible. Watching movies at home has its place but there’s just nothing like actually being at the movies.

But then, I said the same thing about Drive-ins too.

 

[dez1978]

What I think will happen is that in a month I can bet if Raya And The Last Dragon does well Disney+ will eventually lower the price for Raya And The Last Dragon and have it listed for free. I mean families want to watch a new movie on Disney+ for free not play a game of The Price Is Right which is what I think Disney+ is trying to do

Raya will be "free" in June soo... Idk why people keep expecting Disney to give things away for free. They are a business and businesses are out to make money.

 

[dclpluto]

"From Corpse:

Unfortunately, Raya and the Last Dragon is a major bomb. It barely made the Top 10 (10th place) for Friday, only grossing around $40,000. It'll do better over the weekend since it skews younger/toward families, but it doesn't look like it has any chance of debuting in the Top 5 and might be closer to 10th than 5th (thinking ~8th right now). Even if it doubles up on Saturday and increases on Sunday, I don't see an opening much higher than $200,000 if it gets there.

It's only playing in 244 locations (~30-40% less than the typical Disney release), largely due to Toho Cinemas (the busiest chain in the country) not playing it. I'm guessing they weren't on board with Disney's Disney+ same-day release and/or Disney's rumored higher share request to play their films now. Also, I didn't check many Movix Cinema locations, but the handful I did also aren't playing Raya.

So Toho and Movix combined account for almost 100 theaters, which would have brought Raya's count up closer to the typical big Disney release. And without Toho Cinemas, your film is pretty much DOA in Japan."

"Its #3 today in Vietnam behind two locals despite being biggest release."

And China isn't good, either...Russia, one bright spot, is at par with T&J opening day.

Your numbers saying raya will only make around 200k in USA seemed way off to me. So I just googled it saids it will make around 12 million and take the number one spot in USA. Sure it would of easily made over 100 million in normal times but 12 million USA lot better than your 200k.

 

[spiders]

I saw it and I liked it. I paid through Disney+.

I think the $30 is a little steep but only when compared to the standard $20 that new movies have been charging. Overall, it’s still a good deal.

 

[TwoMisfits]

Your numbers saying raya will only make around 200k in USA seemed way off to me. So I just googled it saids it will make around 12 million and take the number one spot in USA. Sure it would of easily made over 100 million in normal times but 12 million USA lot better than your 200k.

No, those are international numbers...(you are looking at Japan, but almost all international is horrid, but I'll have to recheck the "finals" tomorrow morning)...

US is awful, but it's $9-10M for the weekend, so a Croods 2 opener, not even a TJ one from last weekend. And that's with NYC and some CA places finally opening.

This is a big, big, big fail right now for Disney...only D+ rentals can save it...

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[Foxhound3857]

Weird question, but anyone who has seen Raya and the Last Dragon yet, how many hugs did you count between Raya and Sisu throughout the entire movie?

I only recall seeing the one in trailers, and one in that exclusive clip when they first meet.

 

[Carol_]

Weird question, but anyone who has seen Raya and the Last Dragon yet, how many hugs did you count between Raya and Sisu throughout the entire movie?

I only recall seeing the one in trailers, and one in that exclusive clip when they first meet.

I don’t recall, but I have to say it really wasn’t a fun movie in the classic Disney sense. It was darker in mood than I expected, with a lot fewer comic relief episodes than I would have liked.

 

[Foxhound3857]

I don’t recall, but I have to say it really wasn’t a fun movie in the classic Disney sense. It was darker in mood than I expected, with a lot fewer comic relief episodes than I would have liked.

From the offset it seemed like it was targeted towards a slightly older audience, at least compared to a movie like Frozen. Similar to how the original Kingdom Hearts was rated E, and then Kingdom Hearts 2 and beyond was E 10+ and was quite a bit darker and more convoluted in theme and story.

Still, I hope there's more big fluffy Sisu hugs in the movie than just the ones shown in the trailers. Her character looks so darn cuddly.

 

[RamblingMad]

I saw it and I liked it. I paid through Disney+.

I think the $30 is a little steep but only when compared to the standard $20 that new movies have been charging. Overall, it’s still a good deal.

Yep. Steep. Here in AZ movie tickets cost about $7. No way am I paying $30. I’ll wait for its summer release on D+.

 

[BrianL]

Yep. Steep. Here in AZ movie tickets cost about $7. No way am I paying $30. I’ll wait for its summer release on D+.

Yeah, but if you have a family of four, which is what Disney caters pretty much everything to, then the $30 is cheaper than a night at the movies. It certainly works for some people and not others. As a solo type I wouldn't pay it, but if some friends wanted to go in on it, it's not so bad.

Also, man, I wish movies were still 7 bucks here! They haven't been that cheap in a long time, even matinees.

 

[spiders]

I don't see how the $30 pricing structure on D+ is really any different than pre-COVID. You always had the choice of when to see a movie and the earliest options were always the most expensive. Opening two weeks always meant no passes/discounts. You could wait for a matinee and you could even wait longer until it hit a dollar theater. You could wait for the digital purchase to come out for $20. You could wait two weeks after the digital release and rent it for $6.99. You could wait weeks after that and rent it for $3.99. You could eventually hope it lands on a streaming service or if you really wanted to go all out, wait for it to show up on network television.

If the expectation is that all new releases will be available through a streaming service then we are going to have to accept lower production values.

 

[Foxhound3857]

Has it made back its production cost yet?

I'm wondering if there's the possibility of a follow-up to the film, either a sequel or a series of some kind. I'm still waiting with high anticipation for Zootopia 2.

 

[AurumPunzel]

I don't see how the $30 pricing structure on D+ is really any different than pre-COVID. You always had the choice of when to see a movie and the earliest options were always the most expensive. Opening two weeks always meant no passes/discounts. You could wait for a matinee and you could even wait longer until it hit a dollar theater. You could wait for the digital purchase to come out for $20. You could wait two weeks after the digital release and rent it for $6.99. You could wait weeks after that and rent it for $3.99. You could eventually hope it lands on a streaming service or if you really wanted to go all out, wait for it to show up on network television.

If the expectation is that all new releases will be available through a streaming service then we are going to have to accept lower production values.

Not necessarily. Just because of streaming services, it doesn't necessarily mean that the production values should degrade significantly, particularly since there's already been successes on services like Netflix, which is already proving to be an excellent challenger to the dominance of the Big 5 and pre streaming-era mini majors. In fact, one can argue that Netflix is already becoming a mini major in itself.