RAW file format

I personally would not get it for RAW processing only. It's much more useful for layer work and tweaking. As far as I know it still doesn't support the D90 which is why I ended up with LR and Capture NX so you may want to investigate if will support the D3000. RAW processing is really just doing what your camera would do to produce a jpeg except you have much more leeway for recovery, white balance, etc and YOU decide how things should look. You also will have a much bigger file and therefore more leeway to tweak in PSP or PS. PSP or PS are more for taking things to the next level or as Mickey88 said "tweaking."
 
Just an FYI it's on sale for $50 right now (Usually $100.) I went to Corel.com and downloaded the free 30 day trial version to see if it would process the nef files from my Nikon D5000 even though it's not listed. The files opened fine and I was able to save them as JPG with no problem. The last time I used PSP was version 7 about 8 years ago. It seems they've come along way but I'm still not sold on it yet. I'm going to try to use itas much as I can this month but I'm thinking Adobe may be the way to go.
 
Just an FYI it's on sale for $50 right now (Usually $100.) I went to Corel.com and downloaded the free 30 day trial version to see if it would process the nef files from my Nikon D5000 even though it's not listed. The files opened fine and I was able to save them as JPG with no problem. The last time I used PSP was version 7 about 8 years ago. It seems they've come along way but I'm still not sold on it yet. I'm going to try to use itas much as I can this month but I'm thinking Adobe may be the way to go.


paint shop pro will let you do anything that photo shop does, and it has an easier learning curve...

one really nice thing is it has a lot of built in actions that make some things easier, but as you learn the program you can do these things manually and have more control
 
Does it seem slow to you? Keep in mind the photoshop I have is PS7 not PSE7 so it's almost 7yrs old but it fly's. I loaded Paint yesterday and some of the things it does takes a bit of time. I'm leaning towards keeping my old photoshop and getting Lightroom2 eventually for my NEF(RAW) files.
 

how old is your pc, that can make a big difference in speed,, I'm running a new dual quad core with 6 gig of ram.. this baby flies..

it also depends on what exactly it is that you are doing, some actions take longer than others.., plus with newer programs the actions are more in depth with what they do..

I use paint shop pro for general photos..and portrait professional for my portrait work
 
Well, I was recently baffled by a weird thing my camera was doing and I think I have it figured out...... so I thought I would pass on the info to the rest of the Nikon "students" learning the capabilities of their cameras.

I had pretty much decided on shooting raw+jpeg for my next trip and I am studying the heck out of my camera so I can figure out how to maximize it's potential for the shooting situations I hope to experience at WDW.

So I was taking some test shots and trying to figure out what Mode Dial Settings would work with which menu options offered by the camera. :eek:

I had it set to write the image on the camera memory card as raw+jpeg but when I went to download the pics to my 'puter I would only get 2 Jpeg images....(What the Fuzz!?!) :badpc: :badpc: :badpc:

Having all the options and menus that I was flipping around in makes figuring out what I did wrong sort of like trying to put everything back in Pandora's box!

I checked the file sizes and they were too small to be Raw/Nef images and the file extension only said Jpeg!!! Ack Ack Ack!! :scared1:

I opened up the files saved to my 'puter using Adobe CS4 extended :love: They were still wrong (Jpegs) and not the 1 jpeg and 1 Raw file I was supposed to be seeing.

Adobe CS4 extended has this Bridge feature that directly links to your Documents and Picture files so that importing pix to work on in Photoshop is really fast.

I had been trying to figure out why this was happening all night and then I saw a little camera icon with an arrow pointing down underneath the menu bar in the ~ Bridge ~ program.

As it turns out this feature will import your pix directly from your camera and it is able to pull the Jpeg AND the Raw file from the camera memory card and save it to your 'puter.

I was just importing the pix from the camera using My 'puter, > what ever drive letter your camera shows up as, > Select all, > copy, > Paste.

............ It seems that was a No No! :headache:

The puter would only write the file as a Jpeg TWICE and that is not a good thing if A) you are taking 50 'billionty' pictures and B) You want to sink your teeth into that Raw file for post processing!

Please also keep in mind that when you shoot raw+jpeg only 1 image will show up when you view your pic ~on~ your tiny camera screen, but the 2 different files (Raw + Jpeg) will still be there and you can only get them off if A) you have special magic pixie dust, or B) you have a software program thingy that will import them correctly for you.

Thus endeth our epistle of the day! :rolleyes:

I am convinced that I only know enough to be dangerous and cause myself endless technical aggravation.

I'll stop now.... I hope that will help what is most likely to be the one other person in the universe that is losing sleep over importing pix correctly ;)

Thanks for listening and feel free to add your horror stories or impressive knowledge base to the mix! :)

Smoochies,
Marlton Mom
 
That's weird. I have my D40 set to RAW+JPEG and when I look at the memory card on my computer (as drive whatever), it shows 2 of each file, a NEF and a JPG. If I copy all, I get a NEF and a JPG for each.
 
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Yeah it's trouble like this that finds me. Of course none of this was anywhere in the manual for the camera...

Last month Windows updated my computer into the ~ Blue Screen of Death ~ and only my documents and most of my pictures were able to be saved. They wiped the drive and reloaded Windows so I have been reconstructing my software apps and downloading like crazy! I was wondering if I was missing a plug in or something but this is too weird even for me....

Do you have a card reader slot on your 'puter or do you use the USB wire that came with the camera?

I'm wondering if this makes a difference....

My 'puter card readers don't support the speed and size of my current card (SDHC Sandisc Extreme lll 4 GB) for the D60 so I always have to use the USB wire.

That was another mystery when I got the D60 after using the D50 and it's card in the 'puter card reader with no problems. I eventually figured out that it was the card reader being out-dated and not up to the speeds of the newer cards... Again none of this was in any manual..... ACK! :scared1:

:love2:
Marlton Mom
 
Do you have a card reader slot on your 'puter or do you use the USB wire that came with the camera?

I'm wondering if this makes a difference....

I've done it both ways and always see both the NEF and JPG. You would probably need to load the Nikon codec for NEF files in order to see them as thumbnails in Windows Explorer, but you shouldn't need anything just to see the .NEF filenames.

Are you using Windows Explorer to access the files or some utility? If you use some utility to move them, it might not recognize .NEF files. Just a thought...
 
I am receiving an error/damaged message when I try importing a select group of photos into Lightroom - both importing from my hardrive and directly from the camera card. These photos in particular were taken with the Canon 50d I rented for a weekend and the photos are mainly of my son's birthday party. (Couldn't just be of flowers or trees, right?) The other pictures on my card taken with my regular camera are showing up and importing fine. I can view all the pictures with the card on my camera.

Anyone have any advice? Please please don't say they are gone forever - it was a Cars bday party and I made toddler sized cars that they "drove", I recreated Radiator Springs with cut out characters and the dessert backdrops and so much more - but there are some priceless pics of my kids with their great grandparents that mean the world to me.

Thanks so much for any help!
 
I am receiving an error/damaged message when I try importing a select group of photos into Lightroom - both importing from my hardrive and directly from the camera card. These photos in particular were taken with the Canon 50d I rented for a weekend and the photos are mainly of my son's birthday party. (Couldn't just be of flowers or trees, right?) The other pictures on my card taken with my regular camera are showing up and importing fine. I can view all the pictures with the card on my camera.

Anyone have any advice? Please please don't say they are gone forever - it was a Cars bday party and I made toddler sized cars that they "drove", I recreated Radiator Springs with cut out characters and the dessert backdrops and so much more - but there are some priceless pics of my kids with their great grandparents that mean the world to me.

Thanks so much for any help!

If there is someplace you can upload them I'd try to import them on my computer.

Otherwise There is a CR2 to DNG converter I believe. Perhaps try that and then import them.
 
Thanks for the quick reply ... crisis adverted!

I restarted my computer and Lightroom and while doing that noticed that when I had reloaded Lightroom on my computer this afternoon I had missed the update (Lesson learned: don't install programs while drunk on Benadryl). I loaded the update, said a prayer to the camera saint, and the pictures are now uploading as I type.

I will, however save your advice if this ever happens again - thank you!
 
I am completely new to this world. I just purchased a T1i a couple of months ago. I see on one of the settings RAW. I have also noticed this topic quite a bit here on the boards. My question is what do I need to know about RAW. What is it, how does it work, what do I need to do it, maybe the difference in shooting raw or normal. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
 
That link definitely has some good information. And the Digital Photo Professional software that came with you camera, will be enough to get you started with minor editing and converting from RAW to jpeg. And RAW is definitely the way to go.
 
This is actually a very common topic in digital photography. Just do a Google search on "RAW vs. JPEG", and you'll see that TONS have been written about it.

Also, check out any "Intro to Digital Photography" books at your local bookstore. "RAW" files and "RAW vs. JPEG" should already be covered in detail in those books.

The link that boBQuincy provides is very good. For even more detail about "RAW vs. JPEG", you can also check out: http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/RAW-file-format.htm
 
I wasn't going to re-hash the details of "RAW vs. JPEG", since it's already so well-covered elsewhere. But then, I remembered that I had written about this about 2 months ago, so I figured I'd just cut & paste here...


RAW is the original image data captured by your camera's sensor. If you shoot JPEG, your camera takes the original RAW data and throws away about 7/8 of that data to produce the final JPEG image. (I'm not sure about the exact fraction, but that's how it was explained to me by a professional photographer)

If you shoot JPEG, you're letting the camera's on-board computer decide how to convert the RAW file to JPEG. On the other hand, if you shoot RAW, you get to control how you want to process the RAW file into your final JPEG image. In addition, your own home computer has tons more processing power than the little computer in your camera.

Warning: Nerdy math stuff ahead:

If you shoot JPEG, it's an 8-bit image. What does this mean? Each image is composed of different shades of red, green, and blue (hence, RGB). The term "8 bits" refers to 2^8 (2 to the 8th power) = 256. This means you get 256 shades of red, 256 shades of green, and 256 shades of blue. That sounds like a lot! And when you combine these different shades of colors, you can potentially create 16.8 million colors in an 8-bit JPEG file (here's the math: 256 red x 256 green x 256 blue = 16.8 million possible colors). That, too, sounds like a lot of colors!

If you shoot RAW, it's likely a 14-bit image. "14 bits" refers to 2^14 (2 to the 14th power) = 16,384. That's 16,384 shades of red; 16,384 shades of green; and 16,384 shades of blue! And combined together, you can potentially create 4.4 trillion colors (16,384 red x 16,384 green x 16,384 blue)!

Why is this important? Any time you do any image processing on your computer, you'll end up changing the tones of the image. Because JPEG images have relatively fewer tones / colors, you may run the risk of "posterization", which are abrupt (often ugly) changes in tone. Here's an example of posterization in the sky:

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If you shoot in RAW and you make adjustments to your images, you have much less risk of posterization since you've got so much data you're working with. As a result, your final images will have much smoother tonal gradations.

Whew!

Oh, a couple more things. If you decide to shoot in RAW, sometimes there's extra information hidden in parts of the image that appear "blown out". For example, if you took a picture of a forest and the sky appears way too bright (or, "blown out"), sometimes, you can actually "recover" some of the image from the blown-out areas, resulting in a more realistic-looking sky. You can sometimes do the same thing with dark shadow areas, too. However, if you shoot JPEG, you'll have less success recovering details from the bright highlights and shadows.

The other advantage of RAW is that white balance isn't "baked in" or processed as part of the image. Have you tried taking a photo indoors and found the picture to have a yellow tint? This is a white balance issue. If you shot in JPEG, it's much harder to correct the color because the white balance is already part of the JPEG image. If you shot the image in RAW, you can very easily change the white balance of the image to achieve the correct color for that image.


Why doesn't everyone just shoot RAW? There are some advantages to shooting JPEG:
  1. It's a standard format, so my JPEG image can be viewed on anyone's computer and can be printed on any printer.
  2. A JPEG file is lots smaller than a RAW file, so you can fit TONS more JPEG images on your memory card.
  3. If you're a sports photographer, you can shoot a HUGE burst of JPEG shots before the camera's buffer gets overwhelmed (whereas, if you shoot RAW, you can maybe shoot a dozen RAW photos before your camera freezes painfully for several seconds).
  4. If you don't care to do any processing of your images, then your JPEG images are ready to be used right away (ie. you can upload them immediately to your Flickr account, burn them onto a disk, e-mail them to family, post them on Disboards, etc).

If you do decide to shoot RAW, you'll need a special program that'll allow you to open the RAW files, process the RAW images, and then convert them to JPEGs. Your DSLR camera should have already come with a CD that provides a RAW processing program for free. For example, Canon provides its Digital Photo Professional (DPP) on a CD.

Other popular programs for processing RAW files include Apple's Aperture, Adobe Photoshop & Photoshop Elements (both of which include Adobe Camera Raw), and Adobe Lightroom. (there are many others, but these are probably the most popular)


Okay, this post ended up being way too long and probably way too technical. Hope I didn't bore you with all this. I guess that's why "RAW vs. JPEG" stirs up such heated debate.
 
Thank you for all the information. I am going to have to learn this seems the way to go for better pictures.
 
Thanks for explaining bit depth. I've never bothered to learn what that meant. Now it seems so clear.
 

just wondering which camera was this taken and was it straight from the camera? no offense but i have never seen such a bad jpg straight from the camera before. so i wondered if you upped saturation or something for demo purposes. if not i would want to steer clear from that camera for sure;):)

...good info though. just want to add that some features of some software programs will only use 8 bit so usually you need to convert to that anyway when you are processing ( so you don't get to keep all the bits in the end)
 













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