Rapists Targeting Drunk Women...not rape?

[TLSnell1981]

Though ultimately, alcohol didn’t make men commit sexual assault, it just gave them the liquid courage to do what they were already inclined to do.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...ty-more-than-alcohol-leads-to-sexual-assault/

Think this hit the nail on the head. Booze doesn't drastically change one's personality but it releases their inhibitions.

 

[tcufrog]

Absolutely, parents should teach their sons to be respectable human beings and use caution, especially when drinking. Likewise, parents should teach their daughters the same exact things. Drinking inhibits one's ability to make sound decisions and so many young people don't seem to fully understand or appreciate the risks involved or recognize when they are reaching a state of intoxication in which they may do things they regret or cannot remember later.

When I was in college I went with some friends (girls and guys) on a road trip to New Orleans. One of my friends got really drunk and I found her twirling around a lamppost and flirting with some strangers (all guys) who were circling around her. It scared the crap out of me. When I dragged her away she resisted and some of the guys tried to get her to stay. Luckily the rest of the group caught up with us and were able to help me out.

It is absurd and ineffective to put the responsibility of preventing rape on women, just as it would be absurd to put that responsibility on the men who don’t commit rape. The rapist, and only the rapist, is responsible for the crime. Discussing it in terms of how vulnerable a woman may have been at the time of the attack — be it drinking, walking alone, parking on a dark street, etc. — distracts from getting to the root of the problem, which is “Why do men rape and how can we stop it?”

Research into sexual assault shows that cultural attitudes, things like toxic masculinity and disdain for women, are the main driving forces behind rape. To address the issue at the root of the problem, that’s what needs to change.

“....the men who committed fewer assaults over time also reported falling rates of impulsivity, hostility toward women, and beliefs that supported rape. The men whose rates of assault were going up, in contrast, reported a growing sense of peer support for forced sex, peer pressure, pornography use, and hostility toward women.”

And if anyone should be told to abstain from alcohol in the interest of preventing rape, it’s men:
“...across a number of studies, perpetrators were more likely to report using alcohol at the time of an assault than victims — 60 to 65 percent of perpetrators compared with 30 to 55 percent of victims.”
Though ultimately, alcohol didn’t make men commit sexual assault, it just gave them the liquid courage to do what they were already inclined to do.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...ty-more-than-alcohol-leads-to-sexual-assault/

I wish I remembered where I read it but a few years ago I read an article that talked about how one of the best things a college can do to prevent such assaults from happening is to encourage college men to express their disapproval when their buddies make rape jokes and act in a misogynistic manner when they're sober. If guys know that the other guys will disapprove if they "take advantage" of a drunk girl or spike punch at a party, they'll be less likely to do it. In other words, use the power of peer pressure for good.

 

[ronandannette]

It is absurd and ineffective to put the responsibility of preventing rape on women, just as it would be absurd to put that responsibility on the men who don’t commit rape. The rapist, and only the rapist, is responsible for the crime. Discussing it in terms of how vulnerable a woman may have been at the time of the attack — be it drinking, walking alone, parking on a dark street, etc. — distracts from getting to the root of the problem, which is “Why do men rape and how can we stop it?”

Research into sexual assault shows that cultural attitudes, things like toxic masculinity and disdain for women, are the main driving forces behind rape. To address the issue at the root of the problem, that’s what needs to change.

“....the men who committed fewer assaults over time also reported falling rates of impulsivity, hostility toward women, and beliefs that supported rape. The men whose rates of assault were going up, in contrast, reported a growing sense of peer support for forced sex, peer pressure, pornography use, and hostility toward women.”

And if anyone should be told to abstain from alcohol in the interest of preventing rape, it’s men:
“...across a number of studies, perpetrators were more likely to report using alcohol at the time of an assault than victims — 60 to 65 percent of perpetrators compared with 30 to 55 percent of victims.”
Though ultimately, alcohol didn’t make men commit sexual assault, it just gave them the liquid courage to do what they were already inclined to do.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...ty-more-than-alcohol-leads-to-sexual-assault/

When I was in college I went with some friends (girls and guys) on a road trip to New Orleans. One of my friends got really drunk and I found her twirling around a lamppost and flirting with some strangers (all guys) who were circling around her. It scared the crap out of me. When I dragged her away she resisted and some of the guys tried to get her to stay. Luckily the rest of the group caught up with us and were able to help me out.



I wish I remembered where I read it but a few years ago I read an article that talked about how one of the best things a college can do to prevent such assaults from happening is to encourage college men to express their disapproval when their buddies make rape jokes and act in a misogynistic manner when they're sober. If guys know that the other guys will disapprove if they "take advantage" of a drunk girl or spike punch at a party, they'll be less likely to do it. In other words, use the power of peer pressure for good.

The article that @TipsyTraveler posted said these exact same things. Bystander intervention is the term it used for the first situation you described. Definitely displaying social disapproval is key to gradually changing the behaviour of boys/men who are themselves emboldened by their alcohol consumption.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

I wish I remembered where I read it but a few years ago I read an article that talked about how one of the best things a college can do to prevent such assaults from happening is to encourage college men to express their disapproval when their buddies make rape jokes and act in a misogynistic manner when they're sober. If guys know that the other guys will disapprove if they "take advantage" of a drunk girl or spike punch at a party, they'll be less likely to do it. In other words, use the power of peer pressure for good.

My son is a college athlete and NCAA meetings athletes had to attend last year addressed this very issue. It's good to see they're at least trying to change some of these attitudes via athletics.

 

[georgina]

Well if you are an NFL quarterback and get an underage woman drunk then have sex with her in the bathroom while your buddies stand guard so her friends can’t rescue her, it’s legal, at least in Georgia. This happened 9 years ago and I am still angry about it.