Rant about pay

[dez1978]

I work for state government. And I was screwed recently by a departing employee that gave 2 weeks notice because it wasn’t long enough due the nature of the work that needed to be picked up. If management doesn’t plan for employees leaving and doesn’t have a good cross training plan in affect, it doesn’t matter if someone gives 2 weeks notice or 2 minutes notice.

Despite the mess that I had to deal with, I still say you don’t owe anyone anything and do what is best for yourself and your family.

I get that. It just goes against literally, everything I've ever been taught to quit without notice. It feels wrong to me. If you feel ok with it, thats cool. I just would never do it unless there was something that happened where I just couldn't go back, like if I was assaulted here or something like that. There aren't enough places to work in this town for me to burn bridges like that.

 

[dez1978]

Yeah, it was also $300, which didn't even pay for one week of our part-time daycare for one kid.

Good lord!!!! Full time daycare here is like 150/week per kid. The most I ever paid was 155/week in the infant room.

 

[RamblingMad]

I get that. It just goes against literally, everything I've ever been taught to quit without notice. It feels wrong to me. If you feel ok with it, thats cool. I just would never do it unless there was something that happened where I just couldn't go back, like if I was assaulted here or something like that. There aren't enough places to work in this town for me to burn bridges like that.

I always give notice. And I try to keep in touch with folks have worked for in the past. Maintaining a good network is a good idea.

 

[mrodgers]

The child tax credit is not subsidized child care.

I didn't mention "child tax credit." Granted, perhaps it's no longer on there, but there was a tax credit for child care when we were struggling because we couldn't afford child care as it would have cost more than she would bring in a paycheck. I was pretty ticked off when I noticed it.

 

[sam_gordon]

I always give notice. And I try to keep in touch with folks have worked for in the past. Maintaining a good network is a good idea.

I gotta agree. And you never know what bridges you might be burning. The manager you're leaving in the lurch by not giving notice could be the hiring manager someplace you're looking at next.

 

[nancipants]

Yep.

I think, this is the number one reason why so many positions go unfilled. Women left the work force to take care of their kids when schools went virtual. As schools start to go back to in person learning, I expect some of the unfilled positions to get filled. However, after spending two years at home taking care of their kids, I expect some will stay permanently out of the work force. This is on top of the early retirements by the baby boomers.

And the magical $15/hr means so much less now that we're experiencing 7+% inflation rates.

Employers are out of touch with how much stuff costs. People also spent time evaluating what is important to them. Times have changed. People aren't lazy. They have reprioritized what's important to them.

Definitely. I got a new job where I could work from home permanently. The flexibility was key with us having a toddler. I did not want to be forced back into the office.

Good lord!!!! Full time daycare here is like 150/week per kid. The most I ever paid was 155/week in the infant room.

It's one of the most expensive places around, but there aren't a lot of good facilities near me. Plus we enrolled him in January 2021 and it was one of the only places we felt comfortable putting him considering the the situation at the time. Now we're grown to love it. I just keep telling myself when he goes to kindergarten, we'll get a raise.

 

[Moliphino]

I always give notice. And I try to keep in touch with folks have worked for in the past. Maintaining a good network is a good idea.

It's pretty much necessary if you need to stay on good terms or will need a future reference or employment verification. If I won the lottery and never needed to work again, though, I'd be OUT.

 

[dez1978]

Update on the raise situation. Apparently there has been quite a stir here about it, especially as there are now many supervisors who make the same as those who they supervise. we just got an email from the COO who basically said tough luck. Deal with it. He was nice enough to say "I get you are frustrated, but its out of our control" I wonder how long that will work when people just start moving to the other, less responsibility positions. Dietary will suddenly be fully staffed, but there won't be a clerical person left lol

 

[sam_gordon]

It's pretty much necessary if you need to stay on good terms or will need a future reference or employment verification. If I won the lottery and never needed to work again, though, I'd be OUT.

Many companies have gone to the point they'll only confirm whether the employee worked there and whether they're eligible for rehire. Leaving with no notice could possibly affect the latter.

 

[Ms.Minnie]

Yep.

I think, this is the number one reason why so many positions go unfilled. Women left the work force to take care of their kids when schools went virtual. As schools start to go back to in person learning, I expect some of the unfilled positions to get filled. However, after spending two years at home taking care of their kids, I expect some will stay permanently out of the work force. This is on top of the early retirements by the baby boomers.

And the magical $15/hr means so much less now that we're experiencing 7+% inflation rates.

Employers are out of touch with how much stuff costs. People also spent time evaluating what is important to them. Times have changed. People aren't lazy. They have reprioritized what's important to them.

I don't think employers are out of touch with how much stuff costs. They too have expenses and those expenses have gone up for them just like they have for all of us.

Many companies have gone to the point they'll only confirm whether the employee worked there and whether they're eligible for rehire. Leaving with no notice could possibly affect the latter.

I think employers don't give too much information other than confirm a person worked for them because they're afraid of getting sued for a bad reference. This is the world we live in today.

 

[sam_gordon]

I think employers don't give too much information other than confirm a person worked for them because they're afraid of getting sued for a bad reference. This is the world we live in today.

Oh, definitely. That was my point.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

What really bakes my noodle is how I can have the same job as somebody else in my company and get paid a percentage of them because I live in an area of the country with a lower standard of living.

 

[LYSE]

What really bakes my noodle is how I can have the same job as somebody else in my company and get paid a percentage of them because I live in an area of the country with a lower standard of living.

So I get it for jobs that require your physical presence, since the person has to live somewhere near the work location(s) but what grinds my gears as a remote worker is companies who care and try to adjust pay based off residence, at my last company I was grand fathered Into my pay band but had my co worker moved out of CA (like I had) they would have cut his pay...even though we worked from home full time.

My new company took into consideration where I lived...not sure what that meant considering I negotiated the offer anyway.

As for giving notice, if you can you should..the hiring manager at my current job was my manager 4 years ago....you never know.

 

[kymom99]

I don't think employers are out of touch with how much stuff costs. They too have expenses and those expenses have gone up for them just like they have for all of us.




I think employers don't give too much information other than confirm a person worked for them because they're afraid of getting sued for a bad reference. This is the world we live in today.

Yes but people often ask for letters of reference from former employers.

 

[Ms.Minnie]

Yes but people often ask for letters of reference from former employers.

And?

 

[kymom99]

And?

People are saying you don’t have to worry about references because they won’t say anything except yes you worked there. I’m saying if you might want to ask for a personal letter of recommendation, best to leave on good terms.

 

[Ms.Minnie]

People are saying you don’t have to worry about references because they won’t say anything except yes you worked there. I’m saying if you might want to ask for a personal letter of recommendation, best to leave on good terms.

And I'm saying many employers won't give those letters because they are concerned with the possibility of being sued. Also you didn't original say "personal" letter of recommendations, you said "Yes but people often ask for 'letters of reference' from former employers" there is a difference.

Not looking to debate the issue just saying there is a difference and employers are looking to cover their derrières.

 

[sam_gordon]

And I'm saying many employers won't give those letters because they are concerned with the possibility of being sued. Also you didn't original say "personal" letter of recommendations, you said "Yes but people often ask for 'letters of reference' from former employers" there is a difference.

Not looking to debate the issue just saying there is a difference and employers are looking to cover their derrières.

Gotta agree here. I am not allowed to give any kind of reference if I'm contacted about a former employee. I'm instructed to direct the caller to HR.

 

[starry_solo]

@dez1978 - do you belong to a union?

 

[dez1978]

@dez1978 - do you belong to a union?

We don't have a union here in this department. Even if we did, they aren't allowed to strike, so the departments who do have unions, they aren't very effective.