Racial Slur at school....

[Robinrs]

Yes I am saying that.

And you're TEACHING children? Looks like you could use some schooling yourself.

Gotta be a troll...

 

[luvmy3]

i would hope suspension.


when i was taking a few college courses a few years ago, there was a grown adult woman who made a racial slur to another grown adult woman, and NOTHING got done about it, except a statement was made. i couldn't believe it!!

These were adult women in college? What did you expect would be done?

 

[Cornhusk]

I homeschool, but I would hope absolutely none.

Ok, are you saying that you would not punish your student ( or really your kid since it is homeschool) if they said a racial slur or that you would hope that you wouldn't HAVE to punish a kid because they would not have said the slur in the first place?

 

[JCJRSmith]

Yes I am saying that.

Ok, I am probably poking the troll but...

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. So, why do you feel there should be no punishment for one student using a racial slur against another student in school?

 

[Plannin'Shannon]

Ok, I am probably poking the troll but...

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. So, why do you feel there should be no punishment for one student using a racial slur against another student in school?

Good luck getting a straight answer.

 

[JCJRSmith]

Good luck getting a straight answer.

Slow night here in Central Pennsyltucky

 

[minkydog]

And you're TEACHING children? Looks like you could use some schooling yourself.

Gotta be a troll...

An Oppositional-Defiant troll

 

[testifyoncruises]

If a teacher heard a student call another student the n word, she should just ignore it?

Exactly

 

[Cornhusk]

Exactly

Hm, I would say "troll" but that would be an insult to trolls.

 

[C.Ann]

I would expect some kind of action - which I'm sure varies from school to school..

 

[testifyoncruises]

Can I ask your reasoning why no repercussions of harsh words?

The OP asked:

what would the punishment be at your school?

The OP did not ask what would the punishment be at home and as such I answered her question the way I feel in this situation. I am going to assume this is a public school and as such a representative of the state. The first amendment is pretty clear and I paraphrase

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech...

Most legal scholars would agree this definition is used to mean: To cut short; curtail. As described by the OP, this is 1 student to 1 student. This is NOT a case of yelling FIRE in a crowded auditorium.

I think for the state or a representative of the state to punish speech or a phrase or a harsh word no matter how much one may or may not be offended by that speech is dangerous and should never be allowed or encouraged.

I think a person that calls another a name is small and weak and they seek power. I think the best course of action is to ignore that speech or phrase I or others may find offensive thereby not giving the person who used it the attention and power they so seek.

Personally I ignore everyone who refers to me as a troll. I am pretty offended by it, but I don't acknowledge or answer those who do. Same thing to me.

So yes I stand by my original statement, I would hope the school would be intelligent about this issue and did nothing in the situation as described by the OP.

 

[hrh_disney_queen]

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[Mickey'snewestfan]

The OP asked: The OP did not ask what would the punishment be at home and as such I answered her question the way I feel in this situation. I am going to assume this is a public school and as such a representative of the state. The first amendment is pretty clear and I paraphrase
Most legal scholars would agree this definition is used to mean: To cut short; curtail. As described by the OP, this is 1 student to 1 student. This is NOT a case of yelling FIRE in a crowded auditorium.

I think for the state or a representative of the state to punish speech or a phrase or a harsh word no matter how much one may or may not be offended by that speech is dangerous and should never be allowed or encouraged.

I think a person that calls another a name is small and weak and they seek power. I think the best course of action is to ignore that speech or phrase I or others may find offensive thereby not giving the person who used it the attention and power they so seek.

Personally I ignore everyone who refers to me as a troll. I am pretty offended by it, but I don't acknowledge or answer those who do. Same thing to me.

So yes I stand by my original statement, I would hope the school would be intelligent about this issue and did nothing in the situation as described by the OP.

It's been pretty clearly decided by the Supreme Court that certain Constitutional rights do not apply to minors in school.

Does your feeling apply to all speech? So, if I'm giving a test and a student starts reading the answers outloud for other children to copy -- should that be protected? If I'm teaching a lesson on fractions and another child starts singing at the top of their lungs -- is that protected speech? If a child comes to school and threatens another child with physical violence -- is that protected speech?

 

[Robinrs]

The OP asked: The OP did not ask what would the punishment be at home and as such I answered her question the way I feel in this situation. I am going to assume this is a public school and as such a representative of the state. The first amendment is pretty clear and I paraphrase
Most legal scholars would agree this definition is used to mean: To cut short; curtail. As described by the OP, this is 1 student to 1 student. This is NOT a case of yelling FIRE in a crowded auditorium.

I think for the state or a representative of the state to punish speech or a phrase or a harsh word no matter how much one may or may not be offended by that speech is dangerous and should never be allowed or encouraged.

I think a person that calls another a name is small and weak and they seek power. I think the best course of action is to ignore that speech or phrase I or others may find offensive thereby not giving the person who used it the attention and power they so seek.

Personally I ignore everyone who refers to me as a troll. I am pretty offended by it, but I don't acknowledge or answer those who do. Same thing to me.

So yes I stand by my original statement, I would hope the school would be intelligent about this issue and did nothing in the situation as described by the OP.

Thanks for your explanation.

The lack of one in your previous posts is the reason you're perceived as a "troll". You knew your words would stir up controversy and it did. I guess you got what you wanted.

No repercussions for verbal abuse is NOT intelligence. It's acceptance. Yes, the perp may be small, weak or an idiot but that doesn't mean it can be easily ignored.

Send your child into the real world (inevitable, by the way) and have some little idiot call them a name. I'm sure you'll IGNORE it.

 

[testifyoncruises]

It's been pretty clearly decided by the Supreme Court that certain Constitutional rights do not apply to minors in school.

In 2002, Board of Education of Independent School District No. 92 of Pottawatomie County, et al. v. Earls et al., 122 S.Ct. 2559 the SC did issue a legal opinion that included

Securing order in the school environment sometimes requires that students be subjected to greater controls than those appropriate for adults. Without first establishing discipline and maintain order, teachers cannot begin to educate their students. And apart from education, the school has an obligation to protect pupils from mistreatment by other children, and also to protect teachers themselves from violence by a few students whose conduct in recent years has prompted national concern.”

Does your feeling apply to all speech? So, if I'm giving a test and a student starts reading the answers outloud for other children to copy -- should that be protected? If I'm teaching a lesson on fractions and another child starts singing at the top of their lungs -- is that protected speech? If a child comes to school and threatens another child with physical violence -- is that protected speech?

Sorry, but I do not respond to what if situations that have nothing to do with what the OP wrote. In the case as described by the OP, I think the best course of action is to do absolutely nothing and certainly not punish someone for the action described by the OP.

It goes back to "sticks and stones" which I think we have gotten far too away from.

 

[kinntj]

This just happend to my DD today and she told the teacher. As a child in 2nd grade, she was not ready for this. The boy was sent to the Principal's office. I would hope the parents are notified when this happens. If the behavior is repeated, then suspension is necessary. This boy may have freedom of speech, but my DD is protected against harrassment.

Speech is a freedom, but it's not allowed in many instances. Try speaking as you please in the workplace, whether government or private. If it's not allowed in my Dh's workplace, then we're not going to allow it in my DD's school.

 

[sunnyday123]

I really don't think Freedom of Speech covers harrassment, belittlement, or downright rudeness. And if nothing were done, it would seem to me that the school was stating that it was fine to use racial slurs.

My DD is 12 and has no idea as to what the N word is, and I'm fairly certain she's not heard too many if any slurs, but if one was used against her, you can beleive I would expect consequences for whomever said it to her.

 

[okeydokey]

And you're TEACHING children? Looks like you could use some schooling yourself.

Gotta be a troll...

Actually a pot stirrer who enjoys the controversy. Getting kind of boring actually.

 

[fortheluvofpooh]

when my dd was in kindergarten, she came home and asked me what a Ni&&er is?I said what?!!!! And DD said to me that " so&so said that Mary (subbing name here) is a ni&&er and I am a ni&&er lover cause I am her friend"

Nothing was done in school about this at all. But I had the abillity to be calm long enough to find out the phone number and call the parents to let them know that I did not appreciate their child using this language in front of my dd and that they should teach him all men are created equal.

 

[AnOtHeRdIsNeYfReAk]

Ignoring the name calling is not the way to go. Racial slurs are a form of ignorance and hate. Some of the children that use these words use them because they aren't taught its wrong. Depending on the age perhaps detention or punishment wouldn't solve the issue, but some form of intervention from an adult is neccessary. Of course, if its an older child or teenager, punish away.​

I've had issues with my niece at school because of this. A girl kept calling her the N word and the school did nothing. My niece ignored her thinking it would stop, but it didn't. It actually escalated until my niece was assaulted at school by this child. Don't ignore this. Every child is entitled to a safe, harrasment free school.​