Questions for those that feed their dogs a RAW diet...

jaminmd

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I'm transitioning my 5 month old GSD to a dehydrated raw diet (Honest Kitchen Embark). I don't think I could stomach a regular raw diet :sick:, so this is the next best option & he absolutely LOVES it. I'm also trying to get him grain free.

Anyway, I'd like to supplement additional protein from time to time, or bones as a treat but I have a few questions about it.

1. What is the difference between be feeding him actual raw vs. cooked meats?

2. What types of meats/poultry are acceptable or are they all fair game?

3. Can I give him fish? If so, what kind?

4. What types of bones can I give as a treat?

5. Why can't I give him cooked bones?

I'm honestly grossed out by giving him raw bones & I'm thinking of letting him eat them out on the deck because of potential bacterial contamination. Do you guys wash their paws when they're done?

I know, I know, I'm a germaphobe but I can't help it. As always, thank you for your help!
 
Hi, I don't feed raw, but wanted to give you a bump. I do frequent a pet forum where many feed and advocate the raw diet. The folks there are very nice and would be glad to answer your questions. The board isn't as active as the DIS, but it has great info. Here is a link to the raw and homecooked diet sub forum:

http://www.pets.ca/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=64
 
#5) I know a little about this one. Cooked bones become brittle and will splinter. They are a choking hazard. Raw bones aren't. Sorry that's all I know about it.
 
I'm going to give my stab at your questions, even though I am not a 100% raw feeder. I have two GSD's, so I would simply go broke trying to do it! :rotfl2: My dogs are completely grain-free, however - they eat Orijen grain-free kibble as the bulk of their diet, but I supplement with raw bones.

1. What is the difference between be feeding him actual raw vs. cooked meats?

Cooking meats kills a lot of the enzymes that are found naturally in raw meat - these enzymes are all beneficial to carnivores and help perform various functions. There's nothing wrong with feeding almost all cooked meats (I do!) but supplementing with raw recreation bones or even fish oil supplements is a great idea.

2. What types of meats/poultry are acceptable or are they all fair game?

Nearly every meat/poultry is fair game, as long as it is fresh and hasn't been prepared for human consumption (as in, seasoned, etc.). However, some meats are much richer than others (pork in particular is very rich!) and can cause gastrointestinal upsets, so new meats should be introduced slowly. Chicken, turkey, beef, lamb, fish, and bison make up the majority of the raw-feeder's meat choices because these are easily-available meats that don't tend to cause stomach upsets.

3. Can I give him fish? If so, what kind?

This is a very debated topic. Fish is a great food source for dogs - but the question is whether you should cook it first. Many fish carry parasites that can be passed on to dogs that eat it raw - lake whitefish is generally considered safe. Salmon is a fantastic food source but needs to be cooked first, as dogs can get "salmon poisoning" from a parasite that lives in salmon - cooking the salmon kills this parasite. We supplement our dogs' kibble with Wellness' 95% Salmon canned food - the fatty acids are great for their skin and coat.

4. What types of bones can I give as a treat?

Raw beef marrow bones are most often used as a "recreation" bone. I keep mine frozen and give them to my dogs right out of the freezer - they last longer and they make less of a mess with them. Bison marrow bones are also often used, along with ostrich if you have access to them. Pet stores sell them cut into specific lengths for different sizes of dogs, but the butcher at my grocery store is always very willing to cut them for me if they have them in stock. Note that you should take the bones away from the dog once they have gotten all the marrow out/removed all the meat and cartilidge - after that point, they start really chewing on the bone and are in danger of breaking some teeth.

5. Why can't I give him cooked bones?

Cooked poultry bones will splinter and can seriously injure your dog. Cooked beef/bison marrow bones are perfectly fine to give your dog - they will not splinter. However, I don't really see the point of putting all the effort into cooking something, just to get rid of all the nutrition that they get out of the raw bone.

I'm honestly grossed out by giving him raw bones & I'm thinking of letting him eat them out on the deck because of potential bacterial contamination. Do you guys wash their paws when they're done?

I know, I know, I'm a germaphobe but I can't help it. As always, thank you for your help!

In the summer I give my dogs their bones on the deck, but in the winter I just toss them to them indoors. The frozen bones don't really get "gross" because the dogs have to work them to thaw them out and get anything out. I honestly don't worry too much about contamination with beef marrow bones. I do get the occaisional tiny spot of blood on the carpet when I feed raw marrow bones indoors, but I just spray the area really well with Nature's Miracle cleaning solution and it takes the blood right out of the carpet and kills anything left in the carpet. Raw poultry is another story, however. If I'm feeding raw poultry then I put the bones on a big plastic cutting board that I use only for feeding raw bones - I can then put that in the dishwasher, and I clean the area around it really well with a vinegar/water solution.

I am totally not a germaphobe, though. My attitude will likely change after my baby is born this summer, and once he starts crawling around on the floor! :scared1:

Good luck with raw feeding! I entirely believe that it is the best diet for most dogs! However, if you decide that you can't stomach the raw meat, there are several types of grain-free kibble that are nearly as good as raw, when supplemented with raw recreational bones and/or fish oils. The dogs do really love the raw food, though! :love:
 

Thank you all so much! I'm going to register for that message board, too.

I did try Orijen large breed puppy (I know about the high protein level) but it just gave him pudding poop.:sick: I very slowly transitioned him, too, but it just didn't agree with him.

The frozen bones sound like a good idea. I'll let him have them in his crate (monitored, of course) so I can keep him contained.:goodvibes
 
I don't feed raw, but I know a bunch of people that do. I'll try to pick their brains and see if I can find some answers for you. I have two big Labs and a Beagle and I think feeding raw would bankrupt me! I do give them marrow bones (outside) occasionally. I know alot of my PA friends feed their dogs venison when they can find a hunter willing to sell them a deer.
 
Hi -

We do not currently feed our dog a BARF diet, but we have in the past. Others have answered some of your other questions, so I'll just focus on what meats we fed -

Primarily chicken wings and thighs, ratio about 2/3 wings and 1/3 thighs;

lamb shanks;

goat shanks and meat;

tuna, jack, bigeye, etc. (all in the tuna family) - not the fish bones - just meat!

fish and tuna-type fush in particular are very rich meats - it takes about half as much fish as chicken, lamb or goat to adequately feed a dog.

Meals would also have a portion of brown rice or oatmeal or potato, and grated carrots, pureed broccoli, peas, and variety of other veggies in small amounts and a handful of herbs.

It is definitely a commitment to feed this way! We would take a whole Saturday morning to prepare foods portions for the week, and then freeze them for use as needed.

Good luck -

Jane
 
My dog always begged like MAD when ever we made fish for ourselves, so as a treat I would sometimes give her a small can of water packed tuna. When I told my vet at a later visit I expected a scolding but she said it was a wonderful thing to do and that fish is great for dogs. Now I have her on salmon oil as a supplement because her skin is insanely dry (she's even losing hair). It's only been a week and it takes up to six to see full results, but she sure is happy in the morning when I give it to her! I wish I'd given her more fish over the years, she might not be having skin problems now if I had.
 
We feed our GSD raw ground turkey mixed with bone meal and some chopped up veggies (she prefers carrots and zucchini) or brown rice.

We also freeze marrow bones and she is like a little junkie now - looks for one every night!!
 
My dog always begged like MAD when ever we made fish for ourselves, so as a treat I would sometimes give her a small can of water packed tuna. When I told my vet at a later visit I expected a scolding but she said it was a wonderful thing to do and that fish is great for dogs. Now I have her on salmon oil as a supplement because her skin is insanely dry (she's even losing hair). It's only been a week and it takes up to six to see full results, but she sure is happy in the morning when I give it to her! I wish I'd given her more fish over the years, she might not be having skin problems now if I had.

Where do you purchase your salmon oil? I'd like to try that for my dog. How much do you give?
 
Where do you purchase your salmon oil? I'd like to try that for my dog. How much do you give?

I found it at Petsmart, it was around $25 for a big bottle. It's 1 tsp for every 10 pounds your dog weighs. It smells VERY fishy of course, so don't let that surprise you. And it seems expensive, but when you think of how many fish it takes to make a bottle of oil and the cost of salmon, it's actually reasonable, I think.
 
I found it at Petsmart, it was around $25 for a big bottle. It's 1 tsp for every 10 pounds your dog weighs. It smells VERY fishy of course, so don't let that surprise you. And it seems expensive, but when you think of how many fish it takes to make a bottle of oil and the cost of salmon, it's actually reasonable, I think.

Thanks bettemae - I will be on the lookout for it!
 
I found it at Petsmart, it was around $25 for a big bottle. It's 1 tsp for every 10 pounds your dog weighs. It smells VERY fishy of course, so don't let that surprise you. And it seems expensive, but when you think of how many fish it takes to make a bottle of oil and the cost of salmon, it's actually reasonable, I think.

Do you put the oil in the dog's food?
 
I did try Orijen large breed puppy (I know about the high protein level) but it just gave him pudding poop.:sick: I very slowly transitioned him, too, but it just didn't agree with him.

I know other people who say that Orijen just doesn't work for their dogs, either, but my dogs are fantastic on it. Maybe it's the high protein level? When we adopted our second German Shepherd (who had been on Purina all her life. Ick!) I started her on Acana first to help with the transition. Acana is made by the same company, but is lower protein.

Anyway, glad to hear that you've found something that works really well!
 
I'm honestly grossed out by giving him raw bones & I'm thinking of letting him eat them out on the deck because of potential bacterial contamination. Do you guys wash their paws when they're done?

Oh put him out on the deck, always. not only bacteria...but it is very "goopy"

(and don't watch:sick: )

I have a GSD too.
 
We feed our GSD raw ground turkey mixed with bone meal and some chopped up veggies (she prefers carrots and zucchini) or brown rice.

We also freeze marrow bones and she is like a little junkie now - looks for one every night!!

What is bone meal & where do you get it? How much do you add?

Also, do you ever give your dog anything other than ground turkey? I looked on another website & they showed chicken with bones in the dogs bowl. I thought they weren't supposed to have that because chicken bones splinter.

Again, thanks for your help everyone. I bought Kato a marrow bone today & he was in love!:love: Then I cleaned his cage, took him for a walk & ran him around the back yard to rub off all of that gross raw meat.:laughing:
 
What is bone meal & where do you get it? How much do you add?

Also, do you ever give your dog anything other than ground turkey? I looked on another website & they showed chicken with bones in the dogs bowl. I thought they weren't supposed to have that because chicken bones splinter.

Again, thanks for your help everyone. I bought Kato a marrow bone today & he was in love!:love: Then I cleaned his cage, took him for a walk & ran him around the back yard to rub off all of that gross raw meat.:laughing:

raw chicken bones don't splinter. I give my dogs chicken necks as a treat sometines. The bones are good for them, too!

Funny aside -- growing up, I lived on a farm and we fed our dogs the crappiest food on the planet (Dad's Chunx). Our one dog used to kill all kind of animals and eat them fur and all! He lived a long and happy life. I think he knew what his body needed and did what he needed to do to get it! So, whole rabbits, etc. can also be good dog food!
 
What is bone meal & where do you get it? How much do you add?

Also, do you ever give your dog anything other than ground turkey? I looked on another website & they showed chicken with bones in the dogs bowl. I thought they weren't supposed to have that because chicken bones splinter.

Again, thanks for your help everyone. I bought Kato a marrow bone today & he was in love!:love: Then I cleaned his cage, took him for a walk & ran him around the back yard to rub off all of that gross raw meat.:laughing:

As Jessica said, raw poultry bones do not splinter and are perfectly safe - however, be very careful about giving your dog "load bearing" bones such as the drumsticks. They are very hard and can break into sharp pieces when your dog chews them. I used to give them to my dogs on occasion, but you need to watch your dog closely to make sure that he is really chewing the bone and not swallowing large sharp pieces. I stopped feeding them to my dogs because it just wasn't worth the stress. I mean, we don't see wolves dropping dead from eating whole raw chickens.... but my peace of mind was worth more than the nutrition from that bone. :rotfl2:

Thighs, wings, necks, backs, etc. are all perfectly safe to be fed raw.
 
As Jessica said, raw poultry bones do not splinter and are perfectly safe - however, be very careful about giving your dog "load bearing" bones such as the drumsticks. They are very hard and can break into sharp pieces when your dog chews them. I used to give them to my dogs on occasion, but you need to watch your dog closely to make sure that he is really chewing the bone and not swallowing large sharp pieces. I stopped feeding them to my dogs because it just wasn't worth the stress. I mean, we don't see wolves dropping dead from eating whole raw chickens.... but my peace of mind was worth more than the nutrition from that bone. :rotfl2:

Thighs, wings, necks, backs, etc. are all perfectly safe to be fed raw.

Now, see, that I can remember.:) I never knew that and I always thought they couldn't have chicken bones. Even some of the web sites I've read say to take the bones away when the dogs get to them, so that is what was confusing me.

Now I have lots of gross new things to buy for him.:thumbsup2 This dog is so spoiled.:rolleyes1
 
We feed our Dogue de Bordeaux a RAW diet. She has allergies and we tried EVERYTHING! This seems to have done the trick and she is really thriving. This is where I read up on it and also where we get her food from.

There is some great reading under - Reading & Links.

http://www.armellinosk9.com/OurMenu.html

In addition to the RAW food she also gets, salmon, sardines, mackerel (water packed). She loves the fish!
 


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