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We are considering the vacation club but a resale. While at WDW last week we did the tour and they pushed BLT and AKL. Personally I would never stay at either. And as I have read on here "buy where you want to stay". I want the BCV. I love the resort. The BCV have about 32 years left - correct? At what year might I break even (estimated)? Has anyone worked this out? Last week they handed me a piece of paper saying we would break even on BLT in about 9 years. I know the yearly fees are higher at the BCV.

What are your thoughts on buying a BCV resale? Having less years does not bother me as long as I knew in the long run it would work out money wise. I would rather have less years then find myself staying in BLT ;)

How much do you save on other things. I know you get a discount on annual passes - but how much? The DVC guy could not tell us. Also he mentioned other discounts but was not clear.
 
The BCV have about 32 years left - correct?

roughly that - BCV contracts expire in jan 2042.

At what year might I break even (estimated)? Has anyone worked this out?

depends on your comparison and estimated interest rate for the time value of money...usually it works out to 8 years or so.

What are your thoughts on buying a BCV resale?

if that's where you want to stay and you can book 10-11 months in advance, then a BCV resale is a good choice.

How much do you save on other things.

not much.

I know you get a discount on annual passes - but how much?

right now, the DVC discount on APs is about $100...but that could go away at any time. don't buy for the perks/discounts.
 
I think the official estimates say that after the first 7 trips DVC starts to make sense. Depending on how you do a comparison it may or may not. For example, DVC is considered a luxury property. If you choose to stay at a DVC property and pay retail for 7 trips it would cost you a fortune. However I think a better comparison is what would you likely spend if you were going to come out of pocket every trip? Would you always stay at a deluxe property? Also how big is your family? What sort of accomodations would you need? A studio is much more affordable than a 2BR.

We own at both BWV and BLT. We love them both for different reasons. BWV has such wonderful theming and the boardwalk area itself is just really fun to experience. BLT is a mere 6 minute walk to the MK. It is a lovely hotel despite it's somewhat sterile themeing.

I agonized over whether to add on at BWV (we are a family of 5 and needed a 2BR as my kids got older) or buy another contract at BLT. We chose BLT because we felt that way we could have the best of both worlds. However in your case, I would not discourage you from buying resale. Points for BCV are probably in the $80's, right? So for less cash upfront you are into DVC. True you will pay more in dues each year at BCV which will make the higher purchase price of BLT even out in the end. When I ran my #'s for either an add-on resale at BWV or new contract at BLT over 15 years the total cash spent was very, very close.

In the end, if you really love BCV then go for it. I would personally not buy into a resort I didn't totally love even if it would save me some money down the road.
 
As long as you can book your trips ahead of time, I believe you should buy where you love to stay.

We bought BLT because that is where we wanted to be and we knew we would be booking 11 months out. I teach and we travel in August--this will continue for another 9 - 10 years until I can retire.

If you know you want BCV, going resale makes a lot of sense over Disney, unless you need to finance and then Disney may end up being easier.

But, you will save about $15 - $20/ppt buying through resale.

Good luck!
 

I agree... if you love BCV, buy there. I often go on the Disney website to price out what we book to see what it would cost in cash.(selecting "room only" no magic your way pass or such) Our last trip "home" was a 1br at BCV for 5 nights in Dec. It would've cost around $3200. Keep in mind, that would've included mousekeeping & maybe qualify for Free Dining or other promotions. It's interesting to see what they get for the Villas.
 
What are your thoughts on buying a BCV resale? Having less years does not bother me as long as I knew in the long run it would work out money wise. I would rather have less years then find myself staying in BLT ;)

I *love* BLT but if I had a second choice, I'd choose BCV (we actually should have looked a bit closer at BCV when we bought in, but, when we bought into BLT, there was only about a $7/point difference in BLT and BCV (resale) so I believe we made the best decision in going with BLT).

I really don't think that you can go wrong with BCV, particularly if you go resale from The Timeshare Store (or another reseller) versus buying it through Disney. If you buy through Disney you would probably pay $100+ a point, whereas one of the other resellers would be several thousands less.

In terms of the break even point, I will tell you from personal experience, since buying in 2009, with trips we have taken/have booked through 2011, we are just under being half-way to breaking even, and that has given us 1 night in September, 2009, 14 nights in December, 2010, and a 5-night cruise in June, 2011, and we still have about 50 points remaining in 2011 for a couple nights before our 2011 cruise to stay at the parks. I can't say enough great things about DVC - - I'm a thrilled owner! :goodvibes
 
We are considering the vacation club but a resale. While at WDW last week we did the tour and they pushed BLT and AKL. Personally I would never stay at either. And as I have read on here "buy where you want to stay". I want the BCV. I love the resort. The BCV have about 32 years left - correct? At what year might I break even (estimated)? Has anyone worked this out? Last week they handed me a piece of paper saying we would break even on BLT in about 9 years. I know the yearly fees are higher at the BCV.

What are your thoughts on buying a BCV resale? Having less years does not bother me as long as I knew in the long run it would work out money wise. I would rather have less years then find myself staying in BLT ;)

How much do you save on other things. I know you get a discount on annual passes - but how much? The DVC guy could not tell us. Also he mentioned other discounts but was not clear.

Visit http://www.mouseplanet.com/8739/A_Disney_Vacation_Club_Primer which provides information to consider in the decision making process. It also provides a link to a spreadsheet that you can use to simulate various scenarios.

Joining DVC has definitely had a positive impact on the way we vacation and the quality of of our vacations. We purchased a resale at a time when Disney was not offering incentives as generous as the ones they are currently offering, eg., buy four get 3 for free, free dining plan, $750 gift card, etc. By the same token DVC has increased the number of discounts and perks compared to what was offered at the time we first bought in. We did notice initially that we were spending about the same as we did at WDW as we spent when we were staying at the Value Resorts, maybe a little bit more. However we found that we could now afford to stay longer and in much nicer accommodations. I should qualify this further. We have six kids so we seldom, if ever, could get by staying in anything less than two rooms. Obviously the moderates, deluxe, and home-way-from-home were out of our budget. With DVC we could now stay in a two bedroom which could sleep 8, with a full kitchen (which actually cut our expenses for dining), two baths (with five daughters that's a necessity), and a laundry room (cuts down on packing). Plus a jacuzzi in the master bath. We also found that we could stay longer for about the same cost as we were staying a few days at the Value Resorts. We also purchased APs as opposed to the Park Hopper Passes. By staggering our vacations each year we were able to get at least two trips out of each pass, hence we could get by with purchasing new APs every other year which created an additional savings. As AP holders we could purchase the Disney Dining Experience (now called Tables in Wonderland) for additional dining discounts. This was before the Disney Dining Plan. We've compared both (DDP & TIW) and have found that the TIW has been a better deal for us. Between the DVC, AP, and DDE we could always find a discount on food or merchandise purchases. Plus we received the Disney Visa Card when it first came out which also provided some perks, including earning Disney Reward Dollars on your purchases to be spent at Disney Parks or Disney Stores. When we were at WDW this past Christmas the merchandise locations were offering generous discounts to card holders, AP holders, etc. However you had to ask for it, it was not automatic or volunteered. We would not have known about it had a CM not mentioned it casually. The discounts were combined and were very generous. Always ask, ask, ask.

We bought resale. With resale it was a matter of watching and waiting for the best deal to come along. A lot of it has to do with timing. We found a resale in which an overseas seller had the number of points we felt we would need plus a year's worth of banked points at a very good price. While in the process our agent mentioned they had an add-on that they had not posted on they're website yet. It was another out-of-country owner that was anxious to sell. The price was right plus he paid our first year's maintenance fees. The only inconvenience has been that we now have two use years. So far it has not been an issue to manipulate the points. We just have to do a little extra homework before we make our reservations but its not a major issue. Resale vs. Buying from Disney? It's another one of those issues with timing. Since we purchased we noticed that Disney does, off and on, provide incentives that are very competitive with buying a resale. Again, its a matter of timing.

When we were looking we checked with all the commonly mentioned Resale Agents. We ended up buying from Lee Reid Timeshare Resales ( http://www.eleereid.com/eLeeReid Disney Timeshares.htm). I think we found him by accident since he is not well known on these boards. He made the process painless and had the best deal we could find at the time. It doesn't hurt to pit one agency against the other to compete for your business and get you the best deal possible. It doesn't hurt to run it by a Vacation Club Guide. Sometimes they have a little flexibility to get the sale. We've had the guide throw out a deal then, of course, say he/she will first check with his manager. Then he/she returns with an offer that will be good only if you purchase within X amount of time such as by the end of the tour.
Good luck in your quest. The journey is half the fun and the destination is definitely worth it.
 
Just passed ROFR on a BCV resale. Sold my SSR which was the resort being offered at the time I initially purchased. I had trouble booking other resorts, BCV and VWL at peak times, which were the resorts where we really wanted to stay. Definitely buy a resale at your favorite resort. Watch the resale boards and make an offer. My first BCV offer was bought by Disney but the second was passed on by Disney and will be ours in a matter of days.
 
Just passed ROFR on a BCV resale. Sold my SSR which was the resort being offered at the time I initially purchased. I had trouble booking other resorts, BCV and VWL at peak times, which were the resorts where we really wanted to stay. Definitely buy a resale at your favorite resort. Watch the resale boards and make an offer. My first BCV offer was bought by Disney but the second was passed on by Disney and will be ours in a matter of days.

Can you do us all a favor and post your experience every week for the next year. :thumbsup2

Several DISers have repeatedly posted that it's important to buy where you love to stay, and many more insist that it doesn't matter. That sends a mixed and confusing message to folks who rely on the DIS for information before they buy.

My feelings are that buying where you love to stay can't hurt, but buying elsewhere could be an expensive and disappointing mistake. Selling a resort contract to buy another isn't cheap.

:) Bill
 
Can you do us all a favor and post your experience every week for the next year. :thumbsup2

Several DISers have repeatedly posted that it's important to buy where you love to stay, and many more insist that it doesn't matter. That sends a mixed and confusing message to folks who rely on the DIS for information before they buy.

My feelings are that buying where you love to stay can't hurt, but buying elsewhere could be an expensive and disappointing mistake. Selling a resort contract to buy another isn't cheap.

:) Bill

When we bought in about 10 years back it wasn't as important to buy where you want to stay. The only DVC resorts at that time were OKW, BWV, HH, VB and BCV was just starting it's initial sales. As the number of DVC resorts grew that increased membership which increased demand and has made it more challenging to get reservations at the 7 month or less window. It's not impossible depending on WHEN you plan to go but it is more challenging than it was initially. Also, the unfavorable exchange rate the dollar has overseas has increased the number of guests from overseas that can easily afford the rack rate for DVC accommodations and/or purchased memberships. Short answer: First consider buying where you want to stay.
 
What are your thoughts on buying a BCV resale? Having less years does not bother me as long as I knew in the long run it would work out money wise. I would rather have less years then find myself staying in BLT ;)

How much do you save on other things. I know you get a discount on annual passes - but how much? The DVC guy could not tell us. Also he mentioned other discounts but was not clear.


I have researched this a while. And even though I never stayed at BCV, I had visited the resort and had a chance to see its advantages: Key is proximity to Epcot, a nice 5-6 min walk. Also liked the "feel" of the resort,and the pool!. So I placed a resale offer thru TTS. My next choice would have been BWV, then VWL, then BLT. BWV again due to its proximity and ability to walk to Epcot and HS. VWL due to the short boat ride to MK and its unique style. BLT due to its proximity to MK. I would have chosen BLT hands down if it werent for the modern style which I am not a huge fan of and its lack of food service.

John
 
I also believe in buying where you want to stay. I own at BWV and BLT. I have also stayed at BCV once - on that trip, I originally booked BWV and switched to BCV at the 7 month window. I did end up with a split stay because I could not get into BCV for all nights (my waitlist did not come thru). So, if you don't buy where you want to stay, you run the risk of not getting what you want.

(I bought at BWV and BLT because that's where I want to stay, but "tried" BCV for the 1 trip because DSister wanted to stay there).
 
I'm not sure I would let 32 years of vacations sour you on this decision. That is still a really long time. Also, didn't the current DVC members at OKW get at option to extend that DVC contract past the original ending date?
 
We just got back from WDW and bought 160 points in BLT at $120/point with a $5/point discount (total of $115/point).

Our favorite resort is the WL, and we actually were interested in buying at VWL. However, our sales person said that it was fairly easy to get reservations at VWL, whereas it was hard to get reservations for BLT. He indicated that we wouldn't have any trouble either getting a reservation at VWL, or making a reservation at BLT at 11-months out and trading with somebody later, because BLT reservations were hard to come by. Is this correct?

Also, the sales person mentioned the length of contract. The VWL contract expires in 2042, whereas the BLT contract goes to 2060, so the latter has more residual value.

And for what it's worth, the BLT rooms look beautiful. We wouldn't mind staying there, either. (But we really like WL, where we've stayed twice. We've never stayed at the Contemporary.)

I'm now wondering if we made a mistake purchasing at BLT. What do you all think?

(BTW, ordinarily, I would have researched this all to death before committing, but we went ahead and signed up with the understanding that there is a 10-day rescission period. We are still in that period, so I can make changes or cancel.)

Thanks for any input!
 
Our favorite resort is the WL, and we actually were interested in buying at VWL. However, our sales person said that it was fairly easy to get reservations at VWL, whereas it was hard to get reservations for BLT.

i'm not so sure about that. BLT is over twice as large:

VWL - 20 Dedicated Studios - 27 Dedicated 1Bdrm - 44 Dedicated 2Bdrm - 45 Lockoffs - 0 Grand Villas = 136 Units / 181 Max. Available Rooms

BLT - 0 Dedicated Studios - 0 Dedicated 1BR villas - 148 Dedicated 2BR villas - 133 Lockoffs - 14 Grand Villas = 295 Units / 428 Max. Available Rooms


Also, the sales person mentioned the length of contract. The VWL contract expires in 2042, whereas the BLT contract goes to 2060, so the latter has more residual value.

true.

And for what it's worth, the BLT rooms look beautiful. We wouldn't mind staying there, either. (But we really like WL, where we've stayed twice. We've never stayed at the Contemporary.)

i loved the BLT and haven't stayed at VWL. and the VWL may have a slightly different feel than the WL hotel side.

tough choice...
 
Our favorite resort is the WL, and we actually were interested in buying at VWL. However, our sales person said that it was fairly easy to get reservations at VWL, whereas it was hard to get reservations for BLT. He indicated that we wouldn't have any trouble either getting a reservation at VWL, or making a reservation at BLT at 11-months out and trading with somebody later, because BLT reservations were hard to come by. Is this correct?

Uhhhhh, I hate to say it, but you got "salespersoned." VWL can be very difficult to get into, particularly during the holidays. Just because you own at BLT doesn't necessarily mean that you'll find folks who own at VWL willing to trade with you for BLT, and the hassle involved every single year wouldn't be worth it to me particularly since that would mean that someone else would control your reservation should you opt to trade with them. Keep in mind that you can VWL via resale for much cheaper than BLT.

You should be within your rescission period with your BLT contract and I would recommend taking this opportunity to *really* think about this. Sure, you will get a shorter contract at VWL but, it will be at your preferred home resort and will cost thousands less than you just paid at BLT. Also, DVC may offer a contract extension at WVL just like it did with OKW. Either way, good luck! :flower3:
 
Uhhhhh, I hate to say it, but you got "salespersoned." VWL can be very difficult to get into, particularly during the holidays. Just because you own at BLT doesn't necessarily mean that you'll find folks who own at VWL willing to trade with you for BLT, and the hassle involved every single year wouldn't be worth it to me particularly since that would mean that someone else would control your reservation should you opt to trade with them. Keep in mind that you can VWL via resale for much cheaper than BLT.

You should be within your rescission period with your BLT contract and I would recommend taking this opportunity to *really* think about this. Sure, you will get a shorter contract at VWL but, it will be at your preferred home resort and will cost thousands less than you just paid at BLT. Also, DVC may offer a contract extension at WVL just like it did with OKW. Either way, good luck! :flower3:
Ouch--that's the kind of thing that I was afraid of. We've really got to think about this, I guess.

Questions:

1. If we cancel, are we going to get blacklisted or anything by the DVC sales folks if we ever decide to purchase again?

2. Does it make more sense to buy into VWL directly from DVC or from a reseller? The DVC sales person mentioned all kinds of potential problems with resellers, such as the possibility of buying a contract with used-up current year or borrowed points, etc.

3. The current price for VWL is $101/point for a 32-year contract, compared to $115/point at BLT for a 50-year contract. From a strictly economic point-of-view, the BLT contract is a better deal. We'd have to be able to get VWL for $73.60/point to equal out the initial purchase (maybe possible through a reseller?), and of course the maintenance fees are higher at VWL. (However, we really love the WL.)

We've got less than a week to figure this all out. Help! :confused:

Thanks very much for any further input!
 
Ouch--that's the kind of thing that I was afraid of. We've really got to think about this, I guess.

Questions:

1. If we cancel, are we going to get blacklisted or anything by the DVC sales folks if we ever decide to purchase again?

2. Does it make more sense to buy into VWL directly from DVC or from a reseller? The DVC sales person mentioned all kinds of potential problems with resellers, such as the possibility of buying a contract with used-up current year or borrowed points, etc.

3. The current price for VWL is $101/point for a 32-year contract, compared to $115/point at BLT for a 50-year contract. From a strictly economic point-of-view, the BLT contract is a better deal. We'd have to be able to get VWL for $73.60/point to equal out the initial purchase (maybe possible through a reseller?), and of course the maintenance fees are higher at VWL. (However, we really love the WL.)

We've got less than a week to figure this all out. Help! :confused:

Thanks very much for any further input!

You sound very much like you are in the position we are in - looking to buy but not liking the current new options. We left our salesperson ready to buy but 30 minutes on here convinced me a resale of BCV was what I really wanted.

I imagine there can be problems with certain resellers. But do your home work and find a reputable company to work with. I know on the couple of resale sites I looked at so far they list current points or borrowed points etc right up front.

As the salesperson was trying to convince me BLT or AK were oh so wonderful he gave did give us their price for BCV. $107 a point and no bonus points. If I bought BLT then I got double points this year. But through a reseller I saw that BCV are going for about $87+ or -. Personally the shorter time period does not bother me.

Our salesperson said he would call us in a couple of days to see what we decided. We never heard from him. While he was a "salesperson" he did not seem so hard sell as others I have heard about on here.

And IMO if you are questioning your decision then I would say cancel the contract and take more time to think. That way you are sure you get exactly what you want.
 
Questions:

1. If we cancel, are we going to get blacklisted or anything by the DVC sales folks if we ever decide to purchase again? Absolutely not! You have 10 days from the date of your contract to back-out for any reason - - people impulsively sign all the time, and then cancel after getting back to reality.

2. Does it make more sense to buy into VWL directly from DVC or from a reseller? The DVC sales person mentioned all kinds of potential problems with resellers, such as the possibility of buying a contract with used-up current year or borrowed points, etc. LOL - I'm sure a Guide would tell you that because if you go resale you are taking commission from him. The *reality* is that there are all types of contracts available for resale, some with banked points (from the previous year), some with all available current points, and some with no current points. You have to shop around and find the best one. The Timeshare Store (a sponsor of this site is very highly recommended) has many VWL contracts for sale right now.

3. The current price for VWL is $101/point for a 32-year contract, compared to $115/point at BLT for a 50-year contract. From a strictly economic point-of-view, the BLT contract is a better deal. We'd have to be able to get VWL for $73.60/point to equal out the initial purchase (maybe possible through a reseller?), and of course the maintenance fees are higher at VWL. (However, we really love the WL.) From a quick view of the available VWL postings through The Timeshare Store, the range for WVL is between $74-80. Keep in mind, though, that I just skimmed prices, not contract details.

We've got less than a week to figure this all out. Help! :confused:

Thanks very much for any further input!

Hope that helps! :goodvibes
 
(However, we really love the WL.)

if you love the WL and you can book 10-11 months in advance, the safest bet is to buy at VWL (and resale is usually less expensive.)

but IMO, if you chose to buy at BLT and travel primarily in august, you'd probably be ok most of the time getting VWL at 7 months - even though you'd probably have to waitlist sometimes. (i'd still recommend booking BLT at 11 months and then trying for VWL at 7 months so you'd have a reservation just in case - and being "stuck" at BLT might not be too bad. ;) )

for december reservations, i'd say definitely buy at VWL - getting in at 7 months is much less likely...but august might be a little different.

but if the longer term of the contract and lower annual dues are big issues for you and you only have a mild preference for VWL - and you'd be happy whether you wound up staying at BLT or VWL - then go ahead and buy at BLT. it's pretty easy to take a boat from the MK to VWL for dinner at artists point or whatever if you are staying at BLT, right?

i bought OKW because 1) i'm happy just to be onsite anywhere and 2) i like the 2 queen beds in the studio set-up. if you have a really strong preference for VWL, then buy there...but it's something only you can decide...
 



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