Question for Republican Supporters

[Goofycampers]

I'm not buying it. An "accomplished woman" isn't stupid. She's no dummy to get as far as she has. I don't think she is a polished politician like BO. BTW he made plenty of misstatements but I certainly don't think he's stupid either. Call it what you like -this seems to be just another SP bashing thread. You're saying "if this is true do you feel betrayed?' I'll be willing to bet now that BO has been elected the media will finally start reporting some of the things the republicans were concerned about regarding his background. He won't get a free pass forever from the media. Will those on the left be saying "we were lied to?" I highly doubt it.

 

[FayeW]

That's a pretty big IF.... but since all of your questions are predicated on the information being true, there's no point in bothering to answer at this point in time. I think the McCain staffer is full of fecal material. Even the Fox reporter said when later interviewed that he personally felt the staffer wasn't telling the truth.

It would be kinda like me coming here and asking "If the information revealed by certain web sites and sources in Pakistan that Obama is really a 'secret Muslim' is to be believed, would you be concerned about him hiding this fact from the voters???"

If it turns out that Barack Obama is somebody who's morals and values are not as they were represented to be, and the campaign and media knew that and chose not to to disclose it, I would be very concerned.

Although I had no vote, I was very vocal on this board that I felt Obama was the right choice. If it turns out that my beliefs were based on incomplete or false information, you bet I will feel that I was lied to and that the Democratic supporters were betrayed. We would all be made to look like fools.

 

[Goofycampers]

If it turns out that Barack Obama is somebody who's morals and values are not as they were represented to be, and the campaign and media knew that and chose not to to disclose it, I would be very concerned.

Although I had no vote, I was very vocal on this board that I felt Obama was the right choice. If it turns out that my beliefs were based on incomplete or false information, you bet I will feel that I was lied to and that the Democratic supporters were betrayed. We would all be made to look like fools.

I would never go on a message board and tell Canadians that they should choose someone to be the leader of their country. If you don't live and work here how can you even think that is appropriate. I'm not trying to bash you I am just amazed.

 

[FayeW]

I would never go on a message board and tell Canadians that they should choose someone to be the leader of their country. If you don't live and work here how can you even think that is appropriate. I'm not trying to bash you I am just amazed.

Amazed at what? That I had an opinion on who I felt was best the best choice to be the "leader of the free world"? It would be amazing if someone didn't have an opinion on that, considering how closely tied the world economy is to the American economy.

I never told anybody how to vote, so there was nothing inappropriate to be amazed by. I made no secret that if I had a choice, I would support Obama. That's all. I would encourage people of all nations to form opinions about the politics of other countries. No harm in having an opinion. I hear they are a little bit like *** holes, everybody has one.

 

["Got Disney"]

The day after the election...the FOX reporter who has been traveling with the McCain camp that was on Bill O pissed me off. Not that he was telling the news of what was relayed to him but how he was doing it. He could not say it loud enough or fast enough or with an attitude enough...

I thought gee either you really hate Palin or you are for Obama in disguise.....

He had no proof just running on hear say of some pissed off Rep that lost to Obama....IMO they needed a scape goat and instead of blaming themselves (the campaign) for not running a good campaign and doing there job right.... they are turning what was there fault on to Palin....that's how I see it.

Me thinks that they are worried that in the next election that if they don't blame someone else for there crappy JOB than no one will hire them .....I mean think of it....would you....I think not....you won't make the same mistake twice. So I don't think that this is all about Palin or McCain...it is about them.

Think about it.... Palin is very smart Woman and would not be where she is if she were not...so i find some of theses accusations to be very questionable.

 

[Wonderlandmom]

I made no secret that if I had a choice, I would support Obama. That's all.

If you had a choice, you would be an American citizen. And if you were a citizen, you could possibly have formed different values and ideals based on your experiences BEING a US citizen. And you might feel differently.

As far as Sarah Palin, I don't believe an "unnamed source".

 

[Goofycampers]

If you had a choice, you would be an American citizen. And if you were a citizen, you could possibly have formed different values and ideals based on your experiences BEING a US citizen. And you might feel differently.

As far as Sarah Palin, I don't believe an "unnamed source".

Exactly.

 

[FayeW]

If you had a choice, you would be an American citizen. And if you were a citizen, you could possibly have formed different values and ideals based on your experiences BEING a US citizen. And you might feel differently.

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That is very true. My "choice" was made based on the information that was available to me. If it turns out that people were mislead I will feel very foolish for having believed it.

 

[Goofycampers]

That is very true. My "choice" was made based on the information that was available to me. If it turns out that people were mislead I will feel very foolish for having believed it.

I wouldn't feel foolish. The media should be reporting the news, not opinion. If they did their job I think we would know alot more about our new Potus.

 

[FayeW]

I wouldn't feel foolish. The media should be reporting the news, not opinion. If they did their job I think we would know alot more about our new Potus.

We would also have known a lot more about the VP candidate if they hadn't sat on this "off the record until after the election" information, either. Again, based on the assumption that what they are reporting as "news" now is actually true, and not somebody's "opinion".

 

[Jenvenza]

I am a democrat - never cared for Palin as soon as soon as she was introduced by the republican party and never thought she was a good idea.

BUT it astonishes me that some from the republican party are saying all these negative things about her now! Werent they the same ones saying she was the woman for the job? Saying she was completely qualified to be the VP? Even if she did hurt McCain's campaign more than she helped it, they shouldnt be doing that to her. They should blame themselves for putting her on the ticket to begin with. Dont blame her - she was just doing what they wanted her to do!

 

[FayeW]

I am a democrat - never cared for Palin as soon as soon as she was introduced by the republican party and never thought she was a good idea.

BUT it astonishes me that some from the republican party are saying all these negative things about her now! Werent they the same ones saying she was the woman for the job? Saying she was completely qualified to be the VP? Even if she did hurt McCain's campaign more than she helped it, they shouldnt be doing that to her. They should blame themselves for putting her on the ticket to begin with. Dont blame her - she was just doing what they wanted her to do!

I agree with you. If what they are saying now is true, they either lied to the American people, or they lied to themselves. I don't think Sarah Palin misrepresented herself in any way. She has obviously been successful in her previous endeavors and enjoyed a stellar approval rating. If they didn't do their due diligence when they chose a running mate, that is not her fault.

They are now, after the campaign, presenting her as being dumber than a box of bricks. To me, that reflects very badly on them, not her! If that was the case, why were they lying to the American people and the republican supporters and presenting her as a qualified candidate if they knew she was "dumber than a box of bricks" and wasn't qualified???? Why didn't they replace her on the ticket if that's how they felt? Why tell us now??? It just makes them look like a bunch of liars who will not admit mistakes until it's too late to do anything about them and they are looking for some one to be a scapegoat. If I was somebody who had supported her and defended her nomination, and then they turned around and told the world she was stupid, I would be pretty choked at the campaign for making a fool out of me.

DISCLAIMER: I am not saying Sarah Palin is "dumber than a box of bricks" or "stupid". That is how the Republican campaign is making her look with the anonymous statements they released.

 

[AuntieM03]

I think it is very cowardly to make or report accusations without stating a real source. "Inside sources" is so tabloid news.

Even if the reports are true I don't think less of her. If she is stupid than everyone who was running are morons. They all made mistakes and said dumb things on the campaign trail. I don't expect them to know or remember every fact or figure, especially when they are tired. I think she would have been a fine VP.

As for the clothes, if she really did all that spending someone should have said no. They didn't have to let her keep spending.

 

[FayeW]

I think it is very cowardly to make or report accusations without stating a real source. "Inside sources" is so tabloid news.

Even if the reports are true I don't think less of her. If she is stupid than everyone who was running are morons. They all made mistakes and said dumb things on the campaign trail. I don't expect them to know or remember every fact or figure, especially when they are tired. I think she would have been a fine VP.

As for the clothes, if she really did all that spending someone should have said no. They didn't have to let her keep spending.

That is an excellent point! If she had truly spent "5 or 6 times" the budget she was given, why were they still pulling out the credit card to pay for them??? Maybe they were setting her up to fail....

 

[castleview]

DISCLAIMER: I am not saying Sarah Palin is "dumber than a box of bricks" or "stupid". That is how the Republican campaign is making her look with the anonymous statements they released.

It's refreshing to know that even my super liberal friends aren't buying any of this. My sister told me "Ok, I would NEVER vote for her, but I don't think she's dumb at all."

 

[What the Heck]

Pay attention. I am not bashing Palin. I already said I thought she was an accomplished woman who is being thrown under the bus.

The question is: If the information is true, how does that make you feel about having supported a campaign that was not honest with you?

There is no if in my opinion. I am a political junkie. I don't believe a candidate that I have looked at in as many ways as possible would be able to be someone else completely different as that one staffer would want us to believe.

I really hope this staffer gets his name out there, because he doesn't need to be working on any campaign ever again. (S)he was, in my opinion, one of the many reasons McCain lost. Their cowardice is way beyond the pale.

 

[mefordis]

Wanted to say I don't think there is anything wrong with your question. I tend to agree with the assertions because of what I've seen of her limited knowledge in interviews. I think she's an intelligent woman but not well read or informed. Or curious about how government works.

On a side note, I personally think the Republicans need to get back to their roots and distance themselves from the evangelicals and people who Palin tends to attract to her rallies. If they can do that they stand a chance in 2010.

What are you talking about, "saying it with a smile on your face", what does that even mean???

I am asking a simple, honest question. No hidden agenda. IF the allegations are proven to be true, that would mean that the Republican campaign and the media were not honest in how they presented the candidate for Vice-President or her abilities, to the voters. Even worse, it means she may have been misrepresented to John McCain himself when he chose his running mate. If I actively supported (and defended) someone based on information that had been given to me, and then found out after that fact that the information was not accurate, truthful or was incomplete, I would be very angry that people I trusted and supported were not honest with me. Wouldn't you feel the same way?

 

[esdras]

They are now, after the campaign, presenting her as being dumber than a box of bricks. To me, that reflects very badly on them, not her! If that was the case, why were they lying to the American people and the republican supporters and presenting her as a qualified candidate if they knew she was "dumber than a box of bricks" and wasn't qualified???? Why didn't they replace her on the ticket if that's how they felt? Why tell us now??? It just makes them look like a bunch of liars who will not admit mistakes until it's too late to do anything about them and they are looking for some one to be a scapegoat. If I was somebody who had supported her and defended her nomination, and then they turned around and told the world she was stupid, I would be pretty choked at the campaign for making a fool out of me.

And with that, you win the proper perspective prize. I'm neither Dem nor Repub. (Canadian, actually) - but I read these news reports with interest. Essentially, there are two options...

1. Palin isn't actually qualified for the position of VP (let alone President). IF this is true, then the Republican advisors smearing her in the media now clearly failed in their task of adequately vetting her as a credible VP candidate. That's not her fault, it's THEIRS! Further, if they determined during the course of campaigning that she was unqualified, they have added willfully misleading the public to their list of mistakes.
2. Palin is qualified to be VP and perhaps ready to make a run for the Presidency in 2012. IF this is true, then the Republican advisors smearing her are lying now - again, a failure on THEIR part, not hers. In this case, they are simply sore losers trying to place the blame on losing the election on anyone other then themselves.

Quite simply, campaign advisors play a very large role in the success of a candidate seeking office. From almost every media report (CNN, MSNBC, FOX - all of them, really), there has been a general agreement that the Obama team ran an extremely disciplined - essentially flawless - campaign. While that wasn't the sole reason for his win, it certainly helped.

Election advisors build their credibility on whether their candidate wins - you'll keep getting hired so long as your person doesn't lose badly. Even though McCain wasn't trounced, it was bad enough to call into question his campaign team. These twits want to work again, and the only way for this to happen is to find somebody other then themselves to blame.

 

[Geoff_M]

If it turns out that Barack Obama is somebody who's morals and values are not as they were represented to be, and the campaign and media knew that and chose not to to disclose it, I would be very concerned.

Although I had no vote, I was very vocal on this board that I felt Obama was the right choice. If it turns out that my beliefs were based on incomplete or false information, you bet I will feel that I was lied to and that the Democratic supporters were betrayed. We would all be made to look like fools.

Yes, and if I were a Democrat and I found out that what the tabloids had reported was correct and Obama really was a space alien and the party officials knew about it but hadn't bothered to tell me about it, then I guess I'd be a little miffed too. Go ahead and throw out all of the hypotheticals you want... As for your root question, I'd speculate that most people don't like being lied to.

 

[JB111107]

That is very true. My "choice" was made based on the information that was available to me. If it turns out that people were mislead I will feel very foolish for having believed it.

Remember that statement as the next 4 years unfold...heck, remember it as he names his cabinet members.

There was a lot (and I mean A LOT) of misleading of the public, and only a small part of it was about Sarah Palin. There is plenty that was kept from the general public about our newly elected leader, and there will be alot of people who end up regretting their votes before 2012 rolls around.

Even Campbell Brown stated the next day that she really didn't know anything about our President-elect. You wanna talk about a woman appearing "dumb"....look no further than your so-called journalists on any of the MSM channels.

The MSM mislead people about Barack Obama and Sarah Palin. They hid Obama's ominous past, and they created one for Palin.