Question about liability and hitting someone's car.

what I find interesting is what no one has said - what is going on with the relationships here??

600 is very little damage in the car world - does this impact driveability? Does it make her car look terrible or is it minor? Is her car relatively new or is it an older car?

If it is an older car and the damage is relatively minor I would just let it go and move on - when my sister damaged my brother's car my family handled it in house with my sister paying my brother over time - is it possible you can propose something like that?

If the car's safety is compromised or if the car is relatively new and you feel strongly that the damage reduces the value of the car = and if you can't get them to compromise - report it to your insurance - if he is uninsured = which you suspect - then your uninsured motorist coverage will cover it - if you carry a deductible then you will end up getting less than 600 back - so in the end you would be better to work it out among yourselves

You didnt say - but who bought dd car - you or her dad? If he bought it he might just feel this is his call - but if you bought it then this is YOUR call
 
I don't understand why you are paying the $600 for her hitting something. If she is old enough to drive she is old enough to take care of her mistakes.

The problem is that the daughter is not the one that made a mistake. Her half brother did the damage and is not paying for his mistake and the father of both parties is not helping. I am not saying that he is financially responsible, but if he has information that would help the daughter recoup her expenses I think he should provide it.
 
The problem is that the daughter is not the one that made a mistake. Her half brother did the damage and is not paying for his mistake and the father of both parties is not helping. I am not saying that he is financially responsible, but if he has information that would help the daughter recoup her expenses I think he should provide it.

I think so too, but he is your daughter's father and she is old enough to deal with it if she is old enough to drive - and that may include saying "great Dad, don't step up - but I have better things to do than visit someone who doesn't take care of his responsibilities."

I think you hold no cards at this point - Dad and brother are just going to say they had nothing to do with the damage. SHE, however, may hold some emotional cards.
 
I've tried to read all the replies. My dd just turned 17 this month. My deductible is 500. No way am I turning this in. My insurance went up about 2400 when I added her last June. Her car was brand new in July, 2013 when I purchased it. I didn't pay almost 29,000 for some lax kid to hit it and mess up the bumper. Just because it didn't hurt the driveability doesn't mean she should have to live with it. As far as the other mistake she made, I need to have that fixed because it is already starting to rust.

BTW I have already heard how I should have bought her a trash car as her first car. Well the plan was for her to drive it until she gets out of college. She heads to FSu in August and that is 8-9 hours away. I didn't want her to be stranded on the road. I grew up like that, and I dont' want that happening to her. So please, I've already heard it enough, and don't need to hear it again.

Another thing is his father told him he was too close to his sister's car, but he didn't listen. Then stepmom told him he was getting ready to hit her car. He shrugged and did it anyway. Then he wasn't even going to tell her. Dad told her and brother shrugged. I'm getting his mother's number to get his insurance info.

Thanks for the info. I won't be calling my insurance at all.
 

As I see it you need to report it to your insurance company. Just to cover the situation if the other party decides to come back out of the wild blue yonder and file a claim against you!.

When you report to your insurance company and don't want to make a claim (yet) you mark the report "Information Only" at the top and bottom.

If you do want to make a claim with your insurance company then you may no longer pursue that claim on your own e.g. as "another iron in the fire." You will have given up the right to pursue the claim to the insurance company.

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The problem is that the daughter is not the one that made a mistake. Her half brother did the damage and is not paying for his mistake and the father of both parties is not helping. I am not saying that he is financially responsible, but if he has information that would help the daughter recoup her expenses I think he should provide it.

I was talking about the 600 she did hitting something. She would be paying that herself.
 
I have no specific advice for you, but I was just on a jury (4-day case, 2 weeks ago) for a personal injury case resulting from a car accident, and let me tell you...we paid attention to Every Little Detail about exactly what each party's actions were immediately before, during, and after the accident to try to determine liability and negligence. Both parties told a different story and there were no witnesses or cameras to record the accident. The verdict literally came down to a tiny detail that resulted in the plaintiff not getting one penny. (*I* believe he lied about a great many things, but that was just my opinion and I could not prove it...)

Anyway, the lesson I learned is to make sure you do EVERYTHING exactly the way you are supposed to when it comes to a car accident if you ever think about suing someone later in civil court, or you will most likely lose.

Also, I can see myself helping my 14 year old in a couple years when he is driving and gets into an accident, but I would help him do his homework on the subject and HE would be responsible for making the inquiries, phone calls, accident reports, etc. I would never leave him alone to figure out what to do on his OWN - this is a great learning opportunity for your DD and I would advise you to keep doing what you are doing - help her, but make her ultimately responsible! :)
 
You can report it to your insurance company. tell them what happened, give them the name of the person who hit her and if you can the license plate number of the motorcycle. They can search the DMV and find out if he does actually have insurance. They can report it to the other carrier. I work for an insurance company and we do this quite often.

As PPs have said his liability insurance would cover the damage he did to the car. But my thinking is that he may not even have insurance.
 
I don't understand why you are paying the $600 for her hitting something. If she is old enough to drive she is old enough to take care of her mistakes.

That really depends on the actual relationship and the way the family deals with things. My mom probably would have made me pay off such a thing (the damage that the DD did, not that the brother did) in chores and foot rubs (she worked retail when I was in high school and was always in need of foot rubs).

My dad, who has been a co-signer on my first half-brother's house leases since he first went to college (brother is now 31 and dad is STILL co-signer b/c otherwise brother can't get a rental), has paid tens of thousands of dollars for damage that brother and his not-on-the-lease housemates did. Of course, it's in his name so he has to, but he hasn't made his third child pay a penny back. Just the way their family works.


I've tried to read all the replies. My dd just turned 17 this month. My deductible is 500. No way am I turning this in. My insurance went up about 2400 when I added her last June. Her car was brand new in July, 2013 when I purchased it. I didn't pay almost 29,000 for some lax kid to hit it and mess up the bumper. Just because it didn't hurt the driveability doesn't mean she should have to live with it. As far as the other mistake she made, I need to have that fixed because it is already starting to rust.

BTW I have already heard how I should have bought her a trash car as her first car. Well the plan was for her to drive it until she gets out of college. She heads to FSu in August and that is 8-9 hours away. I didn't want her to be stranded on the road. I grew up like that, and I dont' want that happening to her. So please, I've already heard it enough, and don't need to hear it again.

Another thing is his father told him he was too close to his sister's car, but he didn't listen. Then stepmom told him he was getting ready to hit her car. He shrugged and did it anyway. Then he wasn't even going to tell her. Dad told her and brother shrugged. I'm getting his mother's number to get his insurance info.

Thanks for the info. I won't be calling my insurance at all.

Not sure who here has told you you should have bought her a beater car? I didn't see it. And I think it's a great idea to get the safest car possible. In my case, it was my mom's 1955 Chevy Bel-Air. Stepdad had installed seatbelts (his dad was a towtruck driver on the CA coast and they had seen too many heinous wrecks before seatbelts were required) and the car was an absolute tank, so it was way safer than his Mustang 3 or my mom's Pinto wagon.



Are you aware that AARP isn't perfect? And did you notice that in the cases being talked about, someone had *filed a claim*? If you really read the article, you'll see that it's not just them taking notes, but claim numbers were assigned, etc. The reps were either messing up or not understanding. It's not what you're saying.

I remember the AARP article about "what to do when your spouse dies" telling us that we should get something like 10 certified death certificates.

Oh look, they are still saying that. "Get duplicate death certificates. You may need a dozen certified death records to complete upcoming tasks". We needed 3, and that was actually 1 too many. Almost everyone allowed us to FAX them. Only one agency needed it to be mailed, and they mailed it back almost immediately. I got everything done for her, she never missed a single pension or SS payment, inside of one month, with 3 certified death certificates. $18 x up to a dozen unnecessary DCs...yikes.

AARP is decent, but not perfect.

I personally would trust umpteen people here (including me) who have filed a not-at-fault claim with our own insurance company (mine was another story not told here) and NOT had their rates raised, over 4th person stories with an inaccurate agency of inept agents actually filing claims when *asked a question*.



The half brother is 21. He's an adult. Although it would be nice if her father would pay to repair the vehicle as her father, but he has no responsibility to pay for the damage caused by his adult son.

I'd pay what I felt I needed to pay, let her father pay for what he feels he needs to pay, and have her approach her half-brother (hate that term - siblings are siblings...) about the rest. Side note: If he can't afford to pay his way at the half-way house, I doubt he can pay for car repairs...

Meh. I like being exact. Especially in a story like the OP's, it's good to be exact otherwise people would wonder why the OP wasn't talking to *her son*. There are some families where everyone is so close that they are simply siblings. There are others where there's a difference. Regardless, it's exact. I even have ex-step-siblings, and step-siblings (though are you still related once your mom has died and her last husband has remarried?) who are ALSO my step-second-cousins (eek!). I like being exact!

*WRONG*!!

Different state, different situation. And the person you were quoting didn't use absolutes, so they can't really be that wrong. But it's good to make sure someone phoning the police is aware that the police MIGHT not do anything at all. Better than leading a person to assume something will be done, thereby possibly freaking out if the police say no.
 
Bumbershoot, it wasn't on this thread but another when I purchased the car and also a few other places where it was talked about. Also, yes that is exactly why I said half brother so people would understand why it was harder to figure out who should pay. If he were my son I would work it out differently than I will because he isn't. I haven't even seen him in 7+ years.
 
Bumbershoot, it wasn't on this thread but another when I purchased the car and also a few other places where it was talked about. Also, yes that is exactly why I said half brother so people would understand why it was harder to figure out who should pay. If he were my son I would work it out differently than I will because he isn't. I haven't even seen him in 7+ years.

:)

Not-so-blended families are so hard!

Sorry people gave you a hard time about the good car. Doubt I was one but if I was I'm sorry.
 
DON'T CLAIM IT is my advice.

1) Police will not <usually> do anything -- not even take a report -- unless there is a serious accident with a chance of injury -- even if it is on a public road.

2) As said -- you can call your insurance company and make a claim -- tell them all the details and they will deal with it -- but not what I would do

3) The "other driver" can and may deny hitting said car -- may deny ever saying they hit it.

4) If it were me -- I would probably get it repaired myself. Not worth the HIT your insurance is going to take (yes, it was not your fault, and no it may not make your rate go up, but KNOW it will be on record, and if you have another accident -- even again if it is not your fault -- ODDS are it will cause some adjustment in your rates (it's called the unlucky driver syndrome). For $600, I would not claim it. Just not worth the hassle and the ping on your record for such a small amount.

5) If you insist on claiming it -- I might just go the "phantom driver route."

Ummm, that's called insurance fraud.
 
Just a side note:

If you take one poster's advice and "just call your insurance company -- without making a claim," just know that many insurance companies in the US will make a note in their files that you called about a car accident.

And that will "COUNT" almost as much as a claim or AS MUCH.

http://www.aarp.org/money/insurance/info-12-2011/phone-call-raise-insurance-rate-ask-sid.html

Again, no, unless a claim is paid it is not held against you in your loss experience. You really should not be giving insurance advice dude.
 
We have never had an accident or even a ticket and our rates go up every single year. We have had AAA, Allstate, Progressive and State Farm and they have all gone up $10+ a month at each renewal (hence why we switch so much). I'm impressed how many people have had accidents with no rate impact at all. I drive a total of 5 miles a day and my husband's car is 9 years old and our rates just go up and up and up. They tell us it is because 1 in 4 drivers in AZ is uninsured (which I believe.... most people I know have been hit by uninsured drivers and I worked at Enterprise for a while and saw it all the time). But still, frustrating!
 
We have never had an accident or even a ticket and our rates go up every single year. We have had AAA, Allstate, Progressive and State Farm and they have all gone up $10+ a month at each renewal (hence why we switch so much). I'm impressed how many people have had accidents with no rate impact at all. I drive a total of 5 miles a day and my husband's car is 9 years old and our rates just go up and up and up. They tell us it is because 1 in 4 drivers in AZ is uninsured (which I believe.... most people I know have been hit by uninsured drivers and I worked at Enterprise for a while and saw it all the time). But still, frustrating!

Is anyone in your family military? If so, I highly recommend checking USAA's rates. My insurance actually went down ($2 for 6 months, but still) last year, plus I got a $45 dividend credit applied to my bill in December. USAA isn't a for-profit corporation, so they don't have stockholders breathing down their necks to make more money. Even their financial services people are salaried employees, not commission based, and I call them frequently with questions about financial planning, and while they recommend services if they fit the situation, they've never pressured me into buying anything.

While shopping around for providers is a good thing, jumping ship every 6 or 12 months can be bad. Some providers give discounts or free perks if you've been with them for X number of years. I just qualified for free accident forgiveness last year, if I ever have to use it.
 
No- I wish we were. USAA was teh best to deal with when I worked at Enterrpise. State Farm was the second easiest, but in the course of two years, our rates were raised $50 a month with no incidents, moves or new cars. We usually stay with someone for a few years. We are in the process of switching back to AAA because the agent tracked us down and gave us a great rate we couldn't refuse- we left them for Progressive 3 years ago. Progressive has been the best- only raised the rates about $25/ month since we have been with them so hopefully we don't regret switching again.
 
ranger111...... heard it on the grapevine. You guys who work in the industry don't count.

Where's that bus driver when you need him?
 











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