PVB Tower Charts, Sales Date and more!!!

[maui22]

Is that for any WDW hotel or just DVC resorts?

I am not sure. Hopefully someone else with better knowledge will respond?
I know I had to call member services and book it through them.

 

[Salokin]

I am not sure. Hopefully someone else with better knowledge will respond?
I know I had to call member services and book it through them.

Dvc resorts only, subject to projected availability.

 

[Sandisw]

FYI, if you are a DVC member you can call DVC member services and book via cash. There is a 30% discount for members. This is what we used for the opening. Prior to this, I had never used DVC member services for cash bookings. Wasn't until someone else posted about this 30% discount earlier this year that I learned about it.

Note: it's possible they will wait until the 7 month mark to allow booking.

To clarify, the MS discount is usually 25% of DVC rooms… I know when they opened PVB tower for cash trips to DVc, it was a bit more…but that is not standard.

 

[disneylandtour]

Another wave of Poly marketing emails this morning that link to here:

https://disneyvacationclub.disney.g...3901038|326064310&cid=PDM946121&bid=316571082

 

[DVCjj]

Dear lord, if you thought the Animal Kingdom Lodge points chart was unnecessarily complicated, Poly just said "hold my beer."

Thanks for making me laugh out loud on a cold, gloomy day in the Midwest.

 

[GADisneyDad14]

Some recent construction photo updates, FWIW…

https://twitter.com/x/status/1838584603465961472

 

[Frugal Fairy Tales]

Well… that is different.

So on 160 points it’s $3200…. I’m still a buy where you want to stay person….

There's a reason Disney doesn't want deluxe standalone resorts anymore.

What’s the reason?

 

[disneylandtour]

What’s the reason?

They are difficult to fill most of the year. GF is one of the last resorts to fill on the cash side. DVC rooms--at least ideally--are pre-sold

 

[Sandisw]

What’s the reason?

Besides what was already mentioned, the DVC resorts have to stay open and run, even if there is another situation like the pandemic.

In 2020, when resorts came back online after the closure, the DVC resorts were the first ones to do so and Disney moved cash guests to unfilled DVC rooms, which allowed them to keep their own resorts closed down for a bit longer, even that occupancy was going to be lower until thigns got back to normal.

So, in a way, it is a win/win for Disney to continue to have DVC options vs. more cash resorts that may or may not fill!

 

[maui22]

At least three different reviewers are working on the license changes for different associations.

Both AKV and VGF licenses information was updated this afternoon to approval, pending. Same wording (which makes sense because it's the same reviewer)

Comment: Submitting revised escrow agreement and amended property management agreement.

 

[maui22]

Something interesting that I never noticed on other timeshare licenses. Back on 3/23/2022, I thought the modifications were for BPK. However, here's wording showing they were filing this for Island Tower. Didn't explicitly say PVB or new association. Based on this, I wonder if we might be seeing something for Reflections 2.0 now (or possibly in the near future)?

I have looked at several (but not all) associations, only seeing this on the AKV license...
https://www.myfloridalicense.com/AdditionalInfo.asp?SID=&licid=3446737

 

[🍀TwinsMom]

First of all, I totally appreciate everyone on here who does so much forensic work! Looking at you, @maui22, @ehhh, @Sandisw, @Cabius, and others. I love that you guys comb through the filings to come up with points charts, blueprints, water reports, etc. I am curious about Reflections activity!

Second, if the PIT is $225pp, MB +/-$20pp, and what kind of developer discount are you expecting for 150, 200, 250, and 300 points?

Is there a Welcome Home credit they offered, too, of $2-$3k, or am I misremembering? Was that if you already had a cash stay booked somewhere that could get converted to a points stay or something?

Basically, at $225pp, -$20 MB, -$10/$15/$20/$25pp depending on how many points you buy, are we thinking it gets to $175 or $185, or is that too optimistic?

 

[SL6827]

Disney converting hotel rooms to DVC is why there are no more TA discounts on Deluxe rooms. This use to be a thing. They couldn't fill them then and surely couldn't now, at the prices they are asking.

 

[MonkeyKnifeFight]

First of all, I totally appreciate everyone on here who does so much forensic work! Looking at you, @maui22, @ehhh, @Sandisw, @Cabius, and others. I love that you guys comb through the filings to come up with points charts, blueprints, water reports, etc. I am curious about Reflections activity!

Second, if the PIT is $225pp, MB +/-$20pp, and what kind of developer discount are you expecting for 150, 200, 250, and 300 points?

Is there a Welcome Home credit they offered, too, of $2-$3k, or am I misremembering? Was that if you already had a cash stay booked somewhere that could get converted to a points stay or something?

Basically, at $225pp, -$20 MB, -$10/$15/$20/$25pp depending on how many points you buy, are we thinking it gets to $175 or $185, or is that too optimistic?

So the thoughts from the people who run this site is that would be too optimistic. However they also predicted $239 per point so who knows. Maybe disney prices it lower or competitively with the riviera because it expires 4 years earlier. Disneyland villas were $20 discount a point at either 200 or 250 point mark.

 

[Cabius]

First of all, I totally appreciate everyone on here who does so much forensic work! Looking at you, @maui22, @ehhh, @Sandisw, @Cabius, and others. I love that you guys comb through the filings to come up with points charts, blueprints, water reports, etc. I am curious about Reflections activity!

Second, if the PIT is $225pp, MB +/-$20pp, and what kind of developer discount are you expecting for 150, 200, 250, and 300 points?

Is there a Welcome Home credit they offered, too, of $2-$3k, or am I misremembering? Was that if you already had a cash stay booked somewhere that could get converted to a points stay or something?

Basically, at $225pp, -$20 MB, -$10/$15/$20/$25pp depending on how many points you buy, are we thinking it gets to $175 or $185, or is that too optimistic?

$175-$185 is consistent with the current discounted pricing for RIV.

There's honestly a lot of variation from quarter to quarter in both the size and structure of discounts.

The past few quarters they seem to have settled into a pattern of three types of discounts:

• A per-point Existing Member discount that applies regardless of how many points you purchase (excluding very small contracts) -- currently $17/point starting at 100 points
• A dollar-amount "Welcome Home" discount that becomes more generous the more points you purchase -- currently starting at $1500 for 150 points or more
• Optional MB to sell back your first-year points -- currently $20/point

If they just rolled the existing promo over, pricing would be pretty good:



I don't think they usually just roll the same promo terms over. I wouldn't be shocked if they were significantly less generous with PIT incentives, and offered better deals for CFW/RIV. I kinda see the pricing above as an unlikely best-case, and mentally I'm adding about $12-$15 to every number. But, that's total speculation based on the sense that this will be a high-demand offering at any price.

Feel free to make a copy of this sheet if you want to play around with some assumptions and see what it could end up looking like:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cAp2SFkrjsSWqSK5HBuXqID22gsC8nI37tcMeipCr_0/edit?usp=sharing

 

[Sandisw]

First of all, I totally appreciate everyone on here who does so much forensic work! Looking at you, @maui22, @ehhh, @Sandisw, @Cabius, and others. I love that you guys comb through the filings to come up with points charts, blueprints, water reports, etc. I am curious about Reflections activity!

Second, if the PIT is $225pp, MB +/-$20pp, and what kind of developer discount are you expecting for 150, 200, 250, and 300 points?

Is there a Welcome Home credit they offered, too, of $2-$3k, or am I misremembering? Was that if you already had a cash stay booked somewhere that could get converted to a points stay or something?

Basically, at $225pp, -$20 MB, -$10/$15/$20/$25pp depending on how many points you buy, are we thinking it gets to $175 or $185, or is that too optimistic?

With the base price coming in at $225, lower than I predicted, we are at $205 for 150 as long as MB is offered.

Assuming even modest discount of $10/pt, you are at $195.

I think you may very well get those prices at 200 points or higher, unless they don’t offer MB.

 

[mort1331]

I’m a big golf fan and if I had a room with a view of a course whether people are playing it or not would not be what it’s all about for me at all, unless we’re talking about overlooking a pro tournament which is clearly not the case here!

I’d enjoy the fact I can see something that gives me pleasure, even if I’ve never played the course but could relate to playing with family or friends, some of whom may no longer be here. In fact I’d probably spend most of my time looking at the course when most golfers aren’t even playing ie sunrise or sunset and then can just fully appreciate the beauty of them.

Might get lucky and bring back the PGA to the course like they used to. Hoping that is why they are redoing Mag course.
Love OKW for hanging on balcony and watch the course. I am not the only one that 3 puts.lol

 

[Spark65]

I have not posted here for quite sometime and don't wish to search through hours of a thread so quick question. Will the existing Poly owners also own at the new tower?

Thanks in advance

 

[njcoach24]

$175-$185 is consistent with the current discounted pricing for RIV.

There's honestly a lot of variation from quarter to quarter in both the size and structure of discounts.

The past few quarters they seem to have settled into a pattern of three types of discounts:

• A per-point Existing Member discount that applies regardless of how many points you purchase (excluding very small contracts) -- currently $17/point starting at 100 points
• A dollar-amount "Welcome Home" discount that becomes more generous the more points you purchase -- currently starting at $1500 for 150 points or more
• Optional MB to sell back your first-year points -- currently $20/point

If they just rolled the existing promo over, pricing would be pretty good:

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I don't think they usually just roll the same promo terms over. I wouldn't be shocked if they were significantly less generous with PIT incentives, and offered better deals for CFW/RIV. I kinda see the pricing above as an unlikely best-case, and mentally I'm adding about $12-$15 to every number. But, that's total speculation based on the sense that this will be a high-demand offering at any price.

Feel free to make a copy of this sheet if you want to play around with some assumptions and see what it could end up looking like:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cAp2SFkrjsSWqSK5HBuXqID22gsC8nI37tcMeipCr_0/edit?usp=sharing

Thanks for this chart! I've been in this boat of RIV contract now, I'm starting to sell my resale contracts. I really loved visiting RIV and I don't really care for POLY, I think its generally overcrowded without the new tower. But am waiting to see what happens with the incentives next week or what offer comes out with POLY. I just really want to stay at RIV and try the cabins once. I visit Cali very so often so it would be nice to have an option at the Disneyland Tower.

I read RIV went on sale at $188, so is $178 after all the incentives for 150 points really that great of a deal? Or is the right play to wait and see what happens in the future or maybe with a future new or old resort?

 

[Xalthon]

I have not posted here for quite sometime and don't wish to search through hours of a thread so quick question. Will the existing Poly owners also own at the new tower?

Thanks in advance

Yes, it is all one association.