Prince Philip has died

[Suger Mag]

I wonder if this was somewhat expected... especially after seeing the taped statements by Edward etc.

He was hospitalized so recently.... perhaps he left the hospital to go home as a sort of hospice situation (not sure if this is the term they use int the UK). When my father died at 86, it was in hospice at home because of his heart failure condition was terminal. He wanted to pass at home in comfort with his cat.

Edited to add... the Angels who work hospice are amazing... they made my dad's passing so much easier with their support.

 

[mamamia2005]

It is being reported over here in the UK newspapers that he became ill suddenly on Thursday evening, but the decision was made by the Queen not to rush him to hospital. The Queen was at his bedside when he passed away.
As I said in the other royal thread from a couple of weeks back, a man of his age would not normally be recommended for heart surgery here in the UK. It being speculated that the heart surgery was to give him a few more weeks of life, so that he could make it to his 100th birthday. But then other reports say that reaching such a milestone wasn't something he was bothered about!

 

[DisneyOma]

Diana was 20 years old when she married, not a child. Princess Elizabeth was just 10 years old when the course of her life changed forever, 21 years old when she married and just 25 years old when she became Queen and swore to serve this country and the Commonwealth for life. She has never failed us, publicly complained or shown any hint of resenting her fate. Nor has she used youth, selfishness, laziness etc as an excuse not to publicly serve her people.

Elizabeth picked Philip - according to all the accounts I've read, she really wanted him, and had a crush on him for years. Diana was an acceptable virgin, and Charles had been dating her sister. She was 19 when it all started, not 18, my mistake.

Everyone in the modern royal family has had the right to say no. Elizabeth's uncle did. Elizabeth could have too. They are figurehead celebrities for the most part, doing their "honorable deeds" and collecting their income. Glad to see that Diana's death was not in vain - both of her sons got to marry women they wanted and loved, not from a sense of duty.

Sounds like Philip's funeral will be a private affair, and I hope the public respects the family and doesn't try to interfere. I wish that whole hot mess of a family peace.

 

[Welsh_Dragon]

Elizabeth picked Philip - according to all the accounts I've read, she really wanted him, and had a crush on him for years. Diana was an acceptable virgin, and Charles had been dating her sister. She was 19 when it all started, not 18, my mistake.

Everyone in the modern royal family has had the right to say no. Elizabeth's uncle did. Elizabeth could have too. They are figurehead celebrities for the most part, doing their "honorable deeds" and collecting their income. Glad to see that Diana's death was not in vain - both of her sons got to marry women they wanted and loved, not from a sense of duty.

Sounds like Philip's funeral will be a private affair, and I hope the public respects the family and doesn't try to interfere. I wish that whole hot mess of a family peace.

May I respectfully suggest that you listen carefully to this recording made of Princess Elizabeth to mark her 21st birthday.

 

[ronandannette]

I wonder if this was somewhat expected... especially after seeing the taped statements by Edward etc.

He was hospitalized so recently.... perhaps he left the hospital to go home as a sort of hospice situation (not sure if this is the term they use int the UK). When my father died at 86, it was in hospice at home because of his heart failure condition was terminal. He wanted to pass at home in comfort with his cat.

Edited to add... the Angels who work hospice are amazing... they made my dad's passing so much easier with their support.

At his age and given his condition, there's no way they could not have been expecting it. Having been in a similar situation with my own parent, you get to a point where you know every day is borrowed time. And from what we know, royal protocols have had the funeral planned and all the announcements/press-releases ready to roll out for a very long time. That's not unique to Prince Philip - it's similar for all of them.

It is being reported over here in the UK newspapers that he became ill suddenly on Thursday evening, but the decision was made by the Queen not to rush him to hospital. The Queen was at his bedside when he passed away.
As I said in the other royal thread from a couple of weeks back, a man of his age would not normally be recommended for heart surgery here in the UK. It being speculated that the heart surgery was to give him a few more weeks of life, so that he could make it to his 100th birthday. But then other reports say that reaching such a milestone wasn't something he was bothered about!

Interesting comment and I thought exactly the same thing. It would never have happened here in Canada within our health system either - never. One must assume though that the Royal Family has a medical staff that operates outside the NHS and perhaps your system also includes private, for-a-fee hospitals?

 

[dnc999]

"By late Friday afternoon there was one death dominating the most-read stories on the BBC website: that of the rapper DMX."

 

[mamamia2005]

At his age and given his condition, there's no way they could not have been expecting it. Having been in a similar situation with my own parent, you get to a point where you know every day is borrowed time. And from what we know, royal protocols have had the funeral planned and all the announcements/press-releases ready to roll out for a very long time. That's not unique to Prince Philip - it's similar for all of them.

Interesting comment and I thought exactly the same thing. It would never have happened here in Canada within our health system either - never. One must assume though that the Royal Family has a medical staff that operates outside the NHS and perhaps your system also includes private, for-a-fee hospitals?

Yes I'm sure it was done privately rather than on the NHS. However, I guess that does also pose a moral question, of just because you can, and it can be afforded, should it be done.

Either way, I'm happy for the Queen that she got to have her beloved husband at home for his last weeks. Ironically, without the pressures of the Queen having to attend royal engagements over the past year they probably were able to spend a lot of time together. The Queen attended a royal engagement I think last week, but that was her first for many months.

Sophie Wessex spoke to some of the crowd outside Windsor Castle as her and Edward drove in to visit the Queen this morning, and said that the Queen is being amazing. I think most of the UK just want to give the Queen a hug right now.

 

[mamamia2005]

Has just been announced on BBC news that the funeral will be on Saturday 17th April, 3pm UK time, in Windsor. It will be a ceremonial royal funeral that will be televised but not a state funeral.

There is an online book of a condolence if anyone is interested in signing

Send a message of condolence | The Royal Family

 

[goofyernmost]

Interesting comment and I thought exactly the same thing. It would never have happened here in Canada within our health system either - never. One must assume though that the Royal Family has a medical staff that operates outside the NHS and perhaps your system also includes private, for-a-fee hospitals?

I'm afraid that I must offer a different story. My father in law had a serious intestinal problem at 90 years old. We had to go to the committee to explain that he was active enough to make the operation worthwhile. Fortunately, for him, he was very active and played golf every week, drove himself and kept his home in pristine condition. If had been perhaps, needing all kinds of help to get do the things he needed to they were not going to waste valuable time and money to have him live a short time longer.

That was in the 90's in Montreal. Even today here in the states they evaluate the individual in my care for example. My health care is in the hands of the VA administration. It is very similar to Canada's Health Care for us veterans if we decide to use it.

I had a real discussion with my urologist about it when I was first diagnosed with Prostate Cancer. I was 67 at the time. She felt that if it had been discover maybe 10 years later and had the type that I had, they would just say... You will probably die of something else before this gets big enough to be a problem. And all of us, including me, decided to monitor it instead of some other drastic measure. So far nothing much has change over the last 6 years. I've been fortunate, but they would have done surgery if I had wanted it that way. Older, I doubt they would have given me the options.

So don't kid yourself that type of situation happens even in the states and even those that have there own health insurance. The list of things that they won't pay for is far bigger then what they will pay for and for those with no money, they indeed will evaluate things based on age, mobility and monetary ability to live long enough to pay for it.

 

[EMom]

It has also been written that he belittled Charles when Charles was a child, calling him a wimp, etc. The "powers that be" would be the queen - she's the one I hold responsible for the whole tragedy of Diana's short life. While I feel sorry for the woman who just lost her husband of 70+ years, I do not respect the monarchy that took an 18 year old girl, promised her she could be queen and then turned their backs on her. The queen and Philip could have done so much more to prevent what happened.

Hope I live to 99 - it sounds like he had a fine life, living in magnificent style, never wanting for a thing. We should all be so lucky.

His early life was not an indulged, luxurious one. Not by a long stretch.

 

[MrsPete]

Edited to add... the Angels who work hospice are amazing... they made my dad's passing so much easier with their support.

Oh, my, yes. I can't say enough about the Hospice nurses who came into my grandmother's house when my grandfather was dying. She said, "If only we had a hospital bed ..." and two hours later a couple men knocked on the door /set up a hospital bed in the living room. Any question she asked, they answered gently and efficiently. Yes, those angels made a difficult situation so much easier.

... Diana was an acceptable virgin ...

Yes, she was acceptable in terms of family status, etc. -- but that's not enough upon which to base a lifetime. These two never had even a shadow of what the Queen and Prince Phillip had.
Additionally, I think he -- in spite of seeming to be a pretty decent guy in other ways -- seemed to have the idea that he was allowed to have a "show family" with Diana, while holding private affairs with women who really interested him.
And she, having gone through a parental divorce, wanted to avoid divorce at all costs -- and what's safer than marrying the Prince of Wales? She was too young and naive to grasp the full picture.

 

[Eeyore daily]

I wonder how Princess Anne is handling this. I know the other children and grandchildren have spoken or we've seen them but I haven't seen anything from her.

 

[mamamia2005]

I wonder how Princess Anne is handling this. I know the other children and grandchildren have spoken or we've seen them but I haven't seen anything from her.

There has been a pre recorded interview with each of the "children". These interviews were recorded some time ago. I believe the one with Princess Anne was recorded in 2017

 

[mamamia2005]

Prince Philip: Princess Anne and Prince Edward pay tribute to their late father | ITV News

 

[HiStitch626]

Why put children in quotes? Princess Anne is his child.

I don’t know how many biographers of the royal family actually have inside knowledge. But there seems to be a general consensus that Anne and her father were very close, so I’m sure this is a challenging time for her.

 

[mamamia2005]

Why put children in quotes? Princess Anne is his child.

I don’t know how many biographers of the royal family actually have inside knowledge. But there seems to be a general consensus that Anne and her father were very close, so I’m sure this is a challenging time for her.

Because they are not child age. I don't mean anything by it. Jeez!

 

[HiStitch626]

OK, but everyone knows that the children of the queen are adults. I just thought it was an odd choice. Didn’t mean to offend.

 

[mamamia2005]

Aww Prince Charles has made me tear up

'My dear Papa was a very special person': Prince Charles pays tribute to Prince Philip | ITV News

 

[TLSnell1981]

It has also been written that he belittled Charles when Charles was a child, calling him a wimp, etc. The "powers that be" would be the queen - she's the one I hold responsible for the whole tragedy of Diana's short life. While I feel sorry for the woman who just lost her husband of 70+ years, I do not respect the monarchy that took an 18 year old girl, promised her she could be queen and then turned their backs on her. The queen and Philip could have done so much more to prevent what happened.

Hope I live to 99 - it sounds like he had a fine life, living in magnificent style, never wanting for a thing. We should all be so lucky.

Diana bears a great deal of responsibility for the tragedy of her own life. She made many bad choices.

 

[Neapolitan Ice Cream]

Diana bears a great deal of responsibility for the tragedy of her own life. She made many bad choices.

Before her untimely demise, she attracted her fair share of criticism. Not to say she was a demon - her work in minefields and with AIDs sufferers spoke volumes. But she wasn't perfect.