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Ever since I saw your review on cruisecritic, I have been craving doughnuts! I don't even know why because I never eat doughnuts!
 
So I just got off the phone with customer service, and I am shocked to say the least. We have cruised 4 times, each in the Walt Disney suite but was I shocked to see what the pricing has become..... It was not cheap before but the experience was great all around but to pay $40K for the same room the I paid half of that for a year ago seems beyond ridiculous..
 
I can definitely understand people not wanting to pay DCL prices. Most of the year, for most itineraries, they are outlandishly expensive. Every single one of my DCL cruises has taken place in the off season and was either a GT or FLR discount. I'm very lucky that my SO can take days off with rather short notice, that we live within driving distance of PC, and that we are eligible for the awesome discounts available to Florida residents (it's our consolation prize for having to deal with all the crazy things we deal with all year long, hahaha). We're also childfree, so no paying for extra people.

I have tried to convince myself to try another cruise line. I have been on one RC cruise before, and I had a terrible time, but the itinerary was boring and it was one of their small ships (Jewel of the Seas). My SO is adamant about not wanting to try any cruises other than Disney, considering how much he hated the RC cruise. I'm willing to consider other options. I'm just terribly afraid it will end up being a disappointment, or "just okay," when I know a DCL cruise will be fantastic. When it comes to trying a non-Disney cruise, I'm afraid the casino will smell like a giant cigarette, I'm afraid there will be nothing to do but lounge around and drink, I'm afraid the crew will be mean and sour (they were awful on the RC cruise I took), I'm afraid the ship will look like a ho-hum Hampton Inn off I-4 (most non-Disney ships have a decent-hotel-at-sea vibe to me, whereas Disney ships have a Disney-resort-at-sea vibe, for lack of better words), and on and on and on.

We always loved going to WDW together, and to be honest, we consider ourselves priced out of WDW. We love to eat, and it's just so expensive to stay on site, eat on site, and keep ourselves entertained when compared to a DCL vacation. Add to the fact that "off season" isn't really a thing at WDW anymore, it's almost always packed, and getting around is stressful at best. Even drinks are more expensive at WDW. So when I compare the price of a Disney cruise with the price of a vacation of the same length at WDW, the cruise is the obvious choice. I get my dose of pixie dust for less money and hassle. Did I mention how much I love the fact that you basically get treated like royalty on a Disney ship? princess:
 
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I can definitely understand people not wanting to pay DCL prices. Most of the year, for most itineraries, they are outlandishly expensive. Every single one of my DCL cruises has taken place in the off season and was either a GT or FLR discount. I'm very lucky that my SO can take days off with rather short notice, that we live within driving distance of PC, and that we are eligible for the awesome discounts available to Florida residents (it's our consolation prize for having to deal with all the crazy things we deal with all year long, hahaha). We're also childfree, so no paying for extra people.

I have tried to convince myself to try another cruise line. I have been on one RC cruise before, and I had a terrible time, but the itinerary was boring and it was one of their small ships (Jewel of the Seas). My SO is adamant about not wanting to try any cruises other than Disney, considering how much he hated the RC cruise. I'm willing to consider other options. I'm just terribly afraid it will end up being a disappointment, or "just okay," when I know a DCL cruise will be fantastic. When it comes to trying a non-Disney cruise, I'm afraid the casino will smell like a giant cigarette, I'm afraid there will be nothing to do but lounge around and drink, I'm afraid the crew will be mean and sour (they were awful on the RC cruise I took), I'm afraid the ship will look like a ho-hum Hampton Inn off I-4 (most non-Disney ships have a decent-hotel-at-sea vibe to me, whereas Disney ships have a Disney-resort-at-sea vibe, for lack of better words), and on and on and on.

We always loved going to WDW together, and to be honest, we consider ourselves priced out of WDW. We love to eat, and it's just so expensive to stay on site, eat on site, and keep ourselves entertained when compared to a DCL vacation. Add to the fact that "off season" isn't really a thing at WDW anymore, it's almost always packed, and getting around is stressful at best. Even drinks are more expensive at WDW. So when I compare the price of a Disney cruise with the price of a vacation of the same length at WDW, the cruise is the obvious choice. I get my dose of pixie dust for less money and hassle. Did I mention how much I love the fact that you basically get treated like royalty on a Disney ship? princess:
Since you've only tried one ship beside DCL I'm not sure how your really qualified to say that about the other cruise lines. Maybe you should try some of the newer ships which have a lot more to offer than the DCL ships. As far as being a ho-hum Hampton inn... I guess that depends on where you're going. Most of older ships have the best itinerary's, but not the bells and whistles that you like. If you ever travel to Europe you'd be happy to find a hotel as nice as a Hampton Inn.
 
Since you've only tried one ship beside DCL I'm not sure how your really qualified to say that about the other cruise lines. Maybe you should try some of the newer ships which have a lot more to offer than the DCL ships. As far as being a ho-hum Hampton inn... I guess that depends on where you're going. Most of older ships have the best itinerary's, but not the bells and whistles that you like. If you ever travel to Europe you'd be happy to find a hotel as nice as a Hampton Inn.

I'm definitely not qualified to say anything about other cruise lines - I was just expressing my anxieties/fears when it comes to the idea of trying another line. I actually put a deposit down on another RC cruise a few months ago on the Independence and recently cancelled it after doing extensive research which consisted of obsessively reading reviews and watching ship tour videos, haha. I couldn't quell my anxieties.

I totally see what you're saying. My SO and I don't really cruise for the destinations so much as the ship itself - the destinations are just a bonus for us, in all honesty. So the ship being pristine and beautiful is definitely something that's very important. We've been to Europe and you're right about that! The hostel in Amsterdam was alright (other than the shower where I had to continuously press a button to get lukewarm water in winter), but the hotel in Paris was pretty shabby. It was so nice to get to London and have a nice place to stay that was on par with a decent Hampton/Comfort Inn here in the states.
 
I have tried to convince myself to try another cruise line. I have been on one RC cruise before, and I had a terrible time, but the itinerary was boring and it was one of their small ships (Jewel of the Seas). My SO is adamant about not wanting to try any cruises other than Disney, considering how much he hated the RC cruise. I'm willing to consider other options. I'm just terribly afraid it will end up being a disappointment, or "just okay," when I know a DCL cruise will be fantastic. When it comes to trying a non-Disney cruise, I'm afraid the casino will smell like a giant cigarette, I'm afraid there will be nothing to do but lounge around and drink, I'm afraid the crew will be mean and sour (they were awful on the RC cruise I took), I'm afraid the ship will look like a ho-hum Hampton Inn off I-4 (most non-Disney ships have a decent-hotel-at-sea vibe to me, whereas Disney ships have a Disney-resort-at-sea vibe, for lack of better words), and on and on and on.
princess:
I can agree with most of what you have said however to say other cruise lines itineraries are boring is kind of calling the kettle black (to my way of thinking). DCL seems to offer the same thing over and over. If they do offer a new port than it is only for a few cruises and its priced to match. It can be hundreds, even thousands more if they just switch up one port.
But other than the few expensive changes they occasionally do its the same boring itinerary for DCL as well. Now if you sail for the ship, which we often did, than that is a mote point.
Should give another line a try, you could be pleasantly surprised, however if your getting decent prices with Fl Res rates then do what you like to do and enjoy.
Happy Sailings. :flower3:
 
I can definitely understand people not wanting to pay DCL prices. Most of the year, for most itineraries, they are outlandishly expensive. Every single one of my DCL cruises has taken place in the off season and was either a GT or FLR discount. I'm very lucky that my SO can take days off with rather short notice, that we live within driving distance of PC, and that we are eligible for the awesome discounts available to Florida residents (it's our consolation prize for having to deal with all the crazy things we deal with all year long, hahaha). We're also childfree, so no paying for extra people.

I have tried to convince myself to try another cruise line. I have been on one RC cruise before, and I had a terrible time, but the itinerary was boring and it was one of their small ships (Jewel of the Seas). My SO is adamant about not wanting to try any cruises other than Disney, considering how much he hated the RC cruise. I'm willing to consider other options. I'm just terribly afraid it will end up being a disappointment, or "just okay," when I know a DCL cruise will be fantastic. When it comes to trying a non-Disney cruise, I'm afraid the casino will smell like a giant cigarette, I'm afraid there will be nothing to do but lounge around and drink, I'm afraid the crew will be mean and sour (they were awful on the RC cruise I took), I'm afraid the ship will look like a ho-hum Hampton Inn off I-4 (most non-Disney ships have a decent-hotel-at-sea vibe to me, whereas Disney ships have a Disney-resort-at-sea vibe, for lack of better words), and on and on and on.

We always loved going to WDW together, and to be honest, we consider ourselves priced out of WDW. We love to eat, and it's just so expensive to stay on site, eat on site, and keep ourselves entertained when compared to a DCL vacation. Add to the fact that "off season" isn't really a thing at WDW anymore, it's almost always packed, and getting around is stressful at best. Even drinks are more expensive at WDW. So when I compare the price of a Disney cruise with the price of a vacation of the same length at WDW, the cruise is the obvious choice. I get my dose of pixie dust for less money and hassle. Did I mention how much I love the fact that you basically get treated like royalty on a Disney ship? princess:
You're lucky you can sail off season and for FL rates, take advantage of it as long as you can. Don't let fear get into your head too much though, just imagine how much joy you would have missed if you had been afraid to try DCL for the first time. I'm so happy I wasn't too afraid to try the Carnival Vista, we had a fantastic time and now I'm up to try any cruise line, and I get to spend 3 weeks on ships next year for only $2000 more than 1 week on the Fantasy.
 
I'm definitely not qualified to say anything about other cruise lines - I was just expressing my anxieties/fears when it comes to the idea of trying another line. I actually put a deposit down on another RC cruise a few months ago on the Independence and recently cancelled it after doing extensive research which consisted of obsessively reading reviews and watching ship tour videos, haha. I couldn't quell my anxieties.

I totally see what you're saying. My SO and I don't really cruise for the destinations so much as the ship itself - the destinations are just a bonus for us, in all honesty. So the ship being pristine and beautiful is definitely something that's very important. We've been to Europe and you're right about that! The hostel in Amsterdam was alright (other than the shower where I had to continuously press a button to get lukewarm water in winter), but the hotel in Paris was pretty shabby. It was so nice to get to London and have a nice place to stay that was on par with a decent Hampton/Comfort Inn here in the states.
I understand your anxiety. Like I said I would try a new ship. If your going to try a new cruise line start with the best they have to offer. Thats what Im doing.
So agree with on European hotels...wait to have a family it only gets worse. Dont people in Europe travel with kids? I just got back from a convention in Anaheim we stayed at the Springhill Suites next to to dowtown disney. What a wonferful hotel at a decent price. I truly appreciate the hotel options we have here in the US.
 
I understand your anxiety. Like I said I would try a new ship. If your going to try a new cruise line start with the best they have to offer. Thats what Im doing.
So agree with on European hotels...wait to have a family it only gets worse. Dont people in Europe travel with kids? I just got back from a convention in Anaheim we stayed at the Springhill Suites next to to dowtown disney. What a wonferful hotel at a decent price. I truly appreciate the hotel options we have here in the US.
No, people in Europe do not travel with kids. Most people there do not have kids.
 
I can agree with most of what you have said however to say other cruise lines itineraries are boring is kind of calling the kettle black (to my way of thinking). DCL seems to offer the same thing over and over. If they do offer a new port than it is only for a few cruises and its priced to match. It can be hundreds, even thousands more if they just switch up one port.
But other than the few expensive changes they occasionally do its the same boring itinerary for DCL as well. Now if you sail for the ship, which we often did, than that is a mote point.
Should give another line a try, you could be pleasantly surprised, however if your getting decent prices with Fl Res rates then do what you like to do and enjoy.
Happy Sailings. :flower3:

Oh yeah, I know what you mean. But it really was a particularly boring itinerary, even compared to DCL ones. It left from Tampa and went to Cozumel, which I have to admit is one of my favorite ports, but the 2 days at sea were rather miserable on such a small ship... Even more miserable considering I was 18 and couldn't even get a drink! :rotfl:

Luckily, as of right now, the FLR rates for DCL cruises are pretty comparable to fares on other lines.
 
I understand your anxiety. Like I said I would try a new ship. If your going to try a new cruise line start with the best they have to offer. Thats what Im doing.
So agree with on European hotels...wait to have a family it only gets worse. Dont people in Europe travel with kids? I just got back from a convention in Anaheim we stayed at the Springhill Suites next to to dowtown disney. What a wonferful hotel at a decent price. I truly appreciate the hotel options we have here in the US.

No kids for us haha, but you're right - I didn't see many family friendly hotels when I was there at all. Personally I remember thinking how difficult it would be to get around most places in Europe if I were disabled. It seemed like most places would be challenging to navigate with a wheelchair or a walker. :worried:
 
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Pretty sure there are kids in Europe.

I was definitely exaggerating! :flower3: But most European countries are not replacing themselves except for France and England which have a lot of immigrants. And Europeans who have kids cannot afford to travel like Americans unless they are in the elite (which is generally entrenched). England is a bit of an exception-- but a bit. Americans think of Europe as paradise but they do not realise that the average European is not as well off and does not have as much opportunity as the average american for all kinds of reasons. The american standard of living has gone down (for the average person) over the last decade but it is still far superior to the average European. It is very difficult to have children in Europe and travel unless you are very well off and those people do not stay in Hampton inn style hotels. That's why the hotel situation is generally not as good as in the USA-- there is no "local" market for it.
 
I have really struggled with this one because I am such a Disney person. As long as my kids are under 18 and can enjoy the amazing clubs aboard DCL, I will still continue to pay the price. But, speaking as a person whose dream it was to become Castaway Platinum....I think I have put that dream aside. I really had to face the truth when I priced out a 7-night Eastern Caribbean out of PC on the Oasis of the Seas, sailing the same week in September as we are on the Fantasy next year and for literally $1200 less, I could have an Oceanview Stateroom with Large Balcony. The total for that was about $4,000.00 for our family of 4. I am paying over $5,200.00 for the same cruise on the Fantasy in a Deluxe Family Oceanview Stateroom. I couldn't deny that the price difference was something not to be ignored.
 
I can definitely understand people not wanting to pay DCL prices. Most of the year, for most itineraries, they are outlandishly expensive. Every single one of my DCL cruises has taken place in the off season and was either a GT or FLR discount. I'm very lucky that my SO can take days off with rather short notice, that we live within driving distance of PC, and that we are eligible for the awesome discounts available to Florida residents (it's our consolation prize for having to deal with all the crazy things we deal with all year long, hahaha). We're also childfree, so no paying for extra people.

I have tried to convince myself to try another cruise line. I have been on one RC cruise before, and I had a terrible time, but the itinerary was boring and it was one of their small ships (Jewel of the Seas). My SO is adamant about not wanting to try any cruises other than Disney, considering how much he hated the RC cruise. I'm willing to consider other options. I'm just terribly afraid it will end up being a disappointment, or "just okay," when I know a DCL cruise will be fantastic. When it comes to trying a non-Disney cruise, I'm afraid the casino will smell like a giant cigarette, I'm afraid there will be nothing to do but lounge around and drink, I'm afraid the crew will be mean and sour (they were awful on the RC cruise I took), I'm afraid the ship will look like a ho-hum Hampton Inn off I-4 (most non-Disney ships have a decent-hotel-at-sea vibe to me, whereas Disney ships have a Disney-resort-at-sea vibe, for lack of better words), and on and on and on.

We always loved going to WDW together, and to be honest, we consider ourselves priced out of WDW. We love to eat, and it's just so expensive to stay on site, eat on site, and keep ourselves entertained when compared to a DCL vacation. Add to the fact that "off season" isn't really a thing at WDW anymore, it's almost always packed, and getting around is stressful at best. Even drinks are more expensive at WDW. So when I compare the price of a Disney cruise with the price of a vacation of the same length at WDW, the cruise is the obvious choice. I get my dose of pixie dust for less money and hassle. Did I mention how much I love the fact that you basically get treated like royalty on a Disney ship? princess:

There is nothing wrong with staying with a cruise line you enjoy just because others are switching to other lines. I follow the boards for all the cruise lines and everyday there is at least one board posted in each for someone who is tired of the cruise line they have been traveling with for many years (such as with the service, prices, itinerary, etc.) and switching to a different one. If you find a cruise line you love that offers you what you want for the price you want then why switch?

Can a person's favorite line change? Certainly. Can a person be on two different ships on the same line and enjoy one but not the other? Certainly. Can a person be on the same ship more than once and have two totally different experiences? Certainly. The bottom line there is a lot of choices in terms of cruises. Not everyone is going to want or enjoy the same things on a cruise.

I can answer yes to all of the above questions. In addition, I have seen a lot of changes to the products offered by the other cruise lines that have disillusioned me in regards to them. I never thought I would try Disney as I always thought their prices were high, but a decent priced three day in 2008 which was going to be my one and only Disney cruise made it possible for me to try. And guess what? I am the opposite of most of the posters in this thread. I have gradually defected to Disney and for the time being I am not going back unless they make changes or I am traveling with someone else who has chosen the cruise.

Just like one bad cruise on another line on an old ship may not make someone qualified to judge a whole line, one great cruise on a brand new ship does not make someone qualified to judge a whole line either.

(As an aside I loved the Jewel of the Seas. I thought she was a beautiful ship and would not consider her a small ship.)
 
I have really struggled with this one because I am such a Disney person. As long as my kids are under 18 and can enjoy the amazing clubs aboard DCL, I will still continue to pay the price. But, speaking as a person whose dream it was to become Castaway Platinum....I think I have put that dream aside. I really had to face the truth when I priced out a 7-night Eastern Caribbean out of PC on the Oasis of the Seas, sailing the same week in September as we are on the Fantasy next year and for literally $1200 less, I could have an Oceanview Stateroom with Large Balcony. The total for that was about $4,000.00 for our family of 4. I am paying over $5,200.00 for the same cruise on the Fantasy in a Deluxe Family Oceanview Stateroom. I couldn't deny that the price difference was something not to be ignored.

That's why we stopped doing Disney cruises as often as we were. My friends and co-workers were doing 2-3 cruises a year and I could not understand how could anyone afford that -- until they told me to check out Carnival and HAL and RCCL. Then another dimension opened up about pricing and I honestly didn't realize how unrealistic Disney's prices were until then. Our budget was in much better shape when we started on other lines -- the first time we were able to have the whole cruise paid off with no credit card balance before we sailed ;)
 
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I can't afford DCL's prices anymore and I only ever sail in the most "off" of off seasons. The two inside cabins I was looking at were $4500 more - yes, four THOUSAND five hundred dollars more - than two comparable insides on the Freedom of the Seas, a comparable ship. More than double. In early/mid September. Hahahaha. No. How anyone could defend that type of nonsense price is beyond me. Pay or or don't pay it, but let's not pretend that DCL is "affordable" anymore. If you can pay those prices, that's fantastic, but most people would consider DCL's prices any time of the year to be unaffordable. And believe me, it used to be relatively affordable before for us. We sailed 6 times om DCL in two years. We haven't sailed at all in the past two years because the prices are absurd. But no need to pity me. I've got $4500 to make up for the lack of "free soda" on Royal. Woo hoo!

You cracked me up! I thought exactly the same things when I was pricing out the Oasis. "Wow....that is a big difference for free soda!" :P Don't get me wrong. I am a total Disney Freak...and since my kids are still under 18, I am squeezing in a couple more DCL cruises, but I won't be afraid to examine other options once they have grown. My teen fell in love with Vibe and so he is getting one last visit before he turns 18 next year. On the same trip, my DD will be 11 and will have graduated to Edge, but still have access to Oceaneers. The next DCL cruise after that will be 4 years later in April for DH and my 20th wedding anniversary. That cruise will have DD at age 14. She will be on the threshold for both Edge and Vibe then. DS will be an adult. Will there be one more DCL after that? Only time will tell. But pricing out other cruise lines has shown me what I could have for the same money or in most cases...a whole lot less.
 
Thought I would share our recent comparison exercise. Yesterday we booked an 11 day Southern Caribbean itinerary on the Regal Princess departing December 18. Travel party is two adults and our two adult boys (ages 17 and 20.) We booked a balcony for us and an interior for the boys.

Regal Princess total fare + taxes: $5,056

For comparison, we looked at the 7 day Disney Fantasy Eastern Caribbean departing December 17 with equivalent rooms.

Disney Fantasy total fare + taxes: $9,370

We have sailed on both ships in the last three years so I am qualified to offer an informed opinion. Without going through a detailed comparison we liked the Regal better overall. When considering food, entertainment, service and cleanliness the scales tipped in favor of Princess. Both ships are fairly new. I would agree that Disney would be better for young children, though in our case that is not a concern.

I am in turn shocked and hysterically laughing. Disney is charging $4,300 more for four fewer days and a lesser itinerary on an equivalent ship. I guess we will miss out on magic tricks in the dining room and guzzling down unlimited soda. Someone above used the term nonsense, and that is exactly what it is. I would feel like a sucker paying that difference for an inferior cruise.
 
I have really struggled with this one because I am such a Disney person. As long as my kids are under 18 and can enjoy the amazing clubs aboard DCL, I will still continue to pay the price. But, speaking as a person whose dream it was to become Castaway Platinum....I think I have put that dream aside. I really had to face the truth when I priced out a 7-night Eastern Caribbean out of PC on the Oasis of the Seas, sailing the same week in September as we are on the Fantasy next year and for literally $1200 less, I could have an Oceanview Stateroom with Large Balcony. The total for that was about $4,000.00 for our family of 4. I am paying over $5,200.00 for the same cruise on the Fantasy in a Deluxe Family Oceanview Stateroom. I couldn't deny that the price difference was something not to be ignored.


See for $1200 difference I would consider DCL again- our VGT rate in an offseason week if May was still almost double the cost of our Oasis cruise which was a full ship.
 

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