Priced out

We looked at that cruise. But once you add the airfare it is priced just as high as many others I do not need airfare for.

We have been waiting to go back to Barcelona and wanted another WBTA. The itinerary is what we wanted, but, unlike Disney, our cruise price for next year is cheaper than what we paid in 2007! We would have to paid airfare anyway considering our location, but coming back one-way to NYC saves us a flight from Port Canaveral! So for us, it was a win win
 
My completely unresearched and speculative opinion as to why Disney prices are high and will stay high for the time being.
1. Scarcity of ships. Seriously, they only have four ships, compared to the dozens that each major cruise line has (NCL, RCL, Carnival, Princess etc, etc). So, supply and demand. Don't need to sell as many cabins to be fully loaded.
2. Load factor. Assuming (with conditions) that your marginal cost (cost of operating the ship vs amount you need to collect in fares to break even or profit) is very narrow. You are then highly dependent on pricing your cruises to get to near capacity or full each trip. Plus, you have the costs associated (more food, more cleaning and service staff), more water usage, more fuel use for electricity etc. Some costs are fixed regardless of how full the ship is, but others do vary. So, Disney in charging twice as much as other lines, but willing to operate at 75% full, probably still has higher profits then the fully loaded ship sold out at lower per person costs. (Granted, maybe Disney has slightly higher costs due to quality of staff, entertainment, but I doubt this is much of a factor).
3. Disney brand - there are some people who will only go on a Disney cruise. Other lines don't have this advantage.
4. Co-branding with Adventures by Disney -- some of their European packages are combined with cruises, and these package vacations are also highly priced, so this also drives up the cruise price on some itineraries.
5. An easy way to get Disney Vacation Club members to expend their points -- and high cruise prices means they can get people to spend more of their points then they might on land hotel destinations.
6. Uninformed people who don't do their research. Just as people will sometimes pay too much for a car or a house or an appliance etc, there are enough people out there willing to pay Disney's prices. Unless they see a dropoff in their bookings, they are charging what the market will bear.
7. Disney willing to let cabins go empty at higher prices up until closer to cruise date, and then has an efficient sales and promotion strategy to top up the ship at lower prices for unused cabins but still at a profit.
8. Beverage sales and add ons make huge additional money for Disney (as well as other cruise lines).

So, could some of these factors change in the future?
1. Two additional ships means more cabins to fill. So, this might have a slight impact.
2. Competition from other cruise lines. They are priced lower and have more options. At some point, this could cut into Disney'd market share.
3. Cost of operating. At some point, if you don't have enough bookings, you are operating your ship at a loss. I think Disney will get to the point where they need to ensure they are closer to sold out to maintain their profit margin.
4. Overall global tourism competition or economic factors are unknowns. Could result in discounts for Europre destinations, but on the other hand, could drive up costs for Caribbean trips leaving from US ports being more popular
5. Seem to be growing complaints about quality of the Disney food and service. So, if demand goes down because of this, they have to reduce cost to bring demand back up to their profit load levels.

Overall, though, I think the factors keeping Disney's prices high are going to continue for a long time. It doesn't matter how much people complain or say they are taking their business elsewhere, there seem to be enough core returning cruisers, and a market of new ones, coming on board willing to pay Disney's prices. Until demand drops off at their current prices, they will stay at this level.

Excellent analysis. We did our first Disney cruise in late 2011 and are doing our fourth (and possibly last) in a few weeks and I've watched the prices very closely for a few years now. I'm usually pretty good at finding deals for my family, but I'm 99% sure we're priced out for good from now on. Even if the ships don't sell out, it seems that Disney would rather have, say, 2000 people on a ship paying $1500 each than 3000 paying $1000. Other lines may just want to fill up the ships and make their money selling extras. but Disney doesn't seem to do this. On some lines I've heard of people who spend a lot in the casino getting offered huge discounts or even free cruises, but of course that's not going to happen on Disney.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not whining about it or saying it's "unfair". If others are willing and able to pay more than me then Disney is more than happy to charge them. And I've had some great experiences on other cruise lines that I may not have had if Disney's prices hadn't gone up so much. I'll still book a dummy cruise on our next cruise, but I'm certainly not getting my hopes up about being able to use it.
 
Excellent analysis. We did our first Disney cruise in late 2011 and are doing our fourth (and possibly last) in a few weeks and I've watched the prices very closely for a few years now. I'm usually pretty good at finding deals for my family, but I'm 99% sure we're priced out for good from now on. Even if the ships don't sell out, it seems that Disney would rather have, say, 2000 people on a ship paying $1500 each than 3000 paying $1000. Other lines may just want to fill up the ships and make their money selling extras. but Disney doesn't seem to do this. On some lines I've heard of people who spend a lot in the casino getting offered huge discounts or even free cruises, but of course that's not going to happen on Disney.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not whining about it or saying it's "unfair". If others are willing and able to pay more than me then Disney is more than happy to charge them. And I've had some great experiences on other cruise lines that I may not have had if Disney's prices hadn't gone up so much. I'll still book a dummy cruise on our next cruise, but I'm certainly not getting my hopes up about being able to use it.

Our thoughts exactly -- it took almost three years for us to book another cruise because of pricing. The WBTA was a real fluke for us. We plan to bring our Disney Visa to book another cruise, but it may not be realistic unless the prices level off and come into line with other cruise lines.
 
I agree with this and would add on that they must charge higher prices to make up for the lack of casinos that most of the other lines have.

I also think DCL has a ton of first time cruisers who, like you pointed out in #6, are just kind of unaware of the complete cost factor. I certainly fit into that category. Then, once we get hooked.....we just don't want to stop.

Had we not been traveling with family when we did the Carnival Vista this past June, I know we would have cancelled and never ventured out of the DCL water. I'm so glad we did! Aladdin may have shone Jasmine the world, but Carnival and other lines have opened up a whole new world to me, and I couldn't be happier!

And then there are some of us who have gone on other lines and return to DCL because for us the other lines aren't good fits. I'd personally rather cruise less frequently and go on Disney where I know I'll be happy than cruise more often and be "It was ok..." after the cruise.

That's why god made chocolate and vanilla - we can each choose what we like best and what works best for us! :)
 

And then there are some of us who have gone on other lines and return to DCL because for us the other lines aren't good fits. I'd personally rather cruise less frequently and go on Disney where I know I'll be happy than cruise more often and be "It was ok..." after the cruise.

That's why god made chocolate and vanilla - we can each choose what we like best and what works best for us! :)

Good point. For us, as we've gotten older, it's more about getting to as many destinations as we can at an affordable range rather than any loyalty to a certain cruise line. We've been on five different cruise lines and we go (now) mostly for the itinerary. We love being on new ships and new cruise lines and have had some amazing experiences on each and every ship. But vacations are all about doing what makes you happy and comfortable and for many that spells Disney, which is why DCL will never run out of business. ;)
 
We're pondering the following:

May 2017 - 7 Night eastern Caribbean cruise on the Oasis - Large Family Ocean view verandah for $4500 - its got the Dreamworks experience for our girls (10 & 8).

Similar cruise with DCL for the same basic itinerary start out at around $7900.

I still love the Mouse but dang, Shrek, The Boov, the animals from Madagascar and more from Dreamworks are starting to become more of a thing for my girls. And at roughly 60% of the price...its hard not to see how some could be priced out.

Or maybe not even priced out - just starting to use more economical friendly cruise lines. (Seriously these are first world problems IMO).
 
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We're pondering the following:

May 2017 - 7 Night eastern Caribbean cruise on the Oasis - Large Family Ocean view verandah for $4500 - its got the Dreamworks experience for our girls (10 & 8).

Similar cruise with DCL for the same basic itinerary start out at around $7900.

I still love the Mouse but dang, Shrek, The Boov, the animals from Madagascar and more from Dreamworks are starting to become more of a thing for my girls. And at roughly 60% of the price...its hard not to see how some could be priced out.

Or maybe not even priced out - just starting to use more economical friendly cruise lines. (Seriously this is first world problems IMO).
Jump ship man! If you end up not liking it you're only out $4500, if you like it, you'll save $1000's over and over.

I see you're in Washington, book the RCCL cruise and maybe book the Wonder in the fall 2017 from Vancouver to San Diego. If you like the Royal cruise and don't miss the mouse you'll still be able to cxl the Wonder cruise without penalty. If you don't like Royal, you'll still have a semi inexpensive DCL cruise to look forward to.

That just my opinion, I could be wrong.
 
We're pondering the following:

May 2017 - 7 Night eastern Caribbean cruise on the Oasis - Large Family Ocean view verandah for $4500 - its got the Dreamworks experience for our girls (10 & 8).

Similar cruise with DCL for the same basic itinerary start out at around $7900.

I still love the Mouse but dang, Shrek, The Boov, the animals from Madagascar and more from Dreamworks are starting to become more of a thing for my girls. And at roughly 60% of the price...its hard not to see how some could be priced out.

Or maybe not even priced out - just starting to use more economical friendly cruise lines. (Seriously this is first world problems IMO).

You won't regret branching out and experimenting with other lines. The first time we cruised non-Disney I was very worried (and unfortunately it was NCL in Hawaii which is a whole 'nother story LOL), but we've tried so many other lines and have really come to enjoy their way of doing things, their food is just as good (in most cases) and the pricing cannot be beat. The only thing I will say is we have yet to sail on another line that has stage shows anywhere near the fun and quality of Disney. They all seem like cheap Vegas acts. The only ones we have enjoyed are the talent acts like comedians and magicians. On our upcoming cruise on NCL they have "Burn the Floor" and "Rock of Ages" for free, so am looking forward to that. But I don't see how any family can go wrong saving that much money. And I'd love to sail with the Dreamworks characters -- they are a hoot!
 
What I am figuring out is they fill their ship as much as they can with outrageously high prices they give the general population and then offer severely discounted prices to select groups to fill their ships. Unlike other lines that open discounts more to the general population, dcl doesn't do that because they do not want the general population to stop paying exorbitant rates. To a certain extent, it makes me feel like I am subsidizing other people's cruises. Not a good feeling.
 
I'm not sure its really fair to keep bringing up industry discounts that the general public aren't going to be able to get their hands on... :confused3 Most people are "willing" to pay more because its literally the only price they'll ever see. Trust me, if playing the "wait and see if a privilege discount comes out for me" game would apply to me then my habits would change also, I assure you! :thumbsup2
I didnt bring it. Another poster did. If you read through the thread you would see it was a discussion on how dcl prices its cruises and how they sell their remaining rooms. We were both pointing out that dcl doesnt necessarily sell out their cruises at the high prices like so many people think. I think its one reason so many are priced out now. I dont have any dcl cruises booked and none that "Im waitin to see if they discount". Prices have gotten too high for me. I have prices and itinerarys I like on other lines and Im happy with that.
 
What I am figuring out is they fill their ship as much as they can with outrageously high prices they give the general population and then offer severely discounted prices to select groups to fill their ships. Unlike other lines that open discounts more to the general population, dcl doesn't do that because they do not want the general population to stop paying exorbitant rates. To a certain extent, it makes me feel like I am subsidizing other people's cruises. Not a good feeling.
This is exactly right, but even their severly discounted rates are more than other cruise lines. DCL prices have just gotten out of control the last 2 years. A few years ago we couldnt get discounts on dcl. They just started popping up a couple of years ago when prices really started going up. I think at some point they are going to have to start having sales like other cruise lines.
 
This is exactly right, but even their severly discounted rates are more than other cruise lines. DCL prices have just gotten out of control the last 2 years. A few years ago we couldnt get discounts on dcl. They just started popping up a couple of years ago when prices really started going up. I think at some point they are going to have to start having sales like other cruise lines.

Agree. Disney is the only cruise line that I've seen who never offers "sales" or end of seasons "discounts". Instead, their prices just rise and rise to unbelievable amounts. When I look at Carnival, RCCL, HAL and Princess, all of our cruises on them have given us sale prices, repeat cruiser discounts, onboard amenities including dining or beverage packages and OBC, and at times tremendous sales for end of season like second passenger half price, third/fourth passengers free, etc. The only "discounts" I've personally seen Disney give were to Travel agents and cast member families. The reason I know is that one sailing I and a friend went to the check in desk to see if we could be upgraded, and were told that the ship was sold out because they offered the remaining rooms at last minute discounts for $25/day to travel agents. There was a lot of flack in the terminal that day and some pretty pissed off long-time customers. That's when I knew that we would never be first in line for deals on Disney as faithful customers :sad2:
 
Not surprised that Disney gave a deal to travel agents. They are the "sales people" on the front lines. And I don't have a problem with them giving their own employees a deal, either.
I do agree that, at some point, Disney may need to change its strategy to maintain loyalty. It seems like they would rather leave some rooms empty or given them away at very low rates, rather than publicly have discount sales, because they would rather people book in advance at higher prices. I think it won't be until bookings are very low at initial offerings, showing overall demand is declining, will you see any change. And right now, the market is willing to pay the prices that Disney has set. They have no incentive to offer lower prices. But the lower prices being offered by competitors may have some pressure in the long term, but right now,with only four ships to fill, Disney isn't being affected by it. Their demand remains high enough at the prices they've set, and except for their few discounts (e.g. Florida resident, moderate sales), aren't likely to change anytime soon. Their model is working for them. However, what is a risk, is if they alienate their previous passengers too much who develop loyalty with other brands, that they don't come back to Disney even once they do lower their prices to being more reasonable.
 
Agree. Disney is the only cruise line that I've seen who never offers "sales" or end of seasons "discounts". Instead, their prices just rise and rise to unbelievable amounts. When I look at Carnival, RCCL, HAL and Princess, all of our cruises on them have given us sale prices, repeat cruiser discounts, onboard amenities including dining or beverage packages and OBC, and at times tremendous sales for end of season like second passenger half price, third/fourth passengers free, etc. The only "discounts" I've personally seen Disney give were to Travel agents and cast member families. The reason I know is that one sailing I and a friend went to the check in desk to see if we could be upgraded, and were told that the ship was sold out because they offered the remaining rooms at last minute discounts for $25/day to travel agents. There was a lot of flack in the terminal that day and some pretty pissed off long-time customers. That's when I knew that we would never be first in line for deals on Disney as faithful customers :sad2:
All cruise lines offer these discount, not near the huge percentage off. Carnival gave us like 5% off. Carnival at 5% off is still less than dcl at 50% off. I think dcl sending out that survey about their European cruise is probably a good indication they are not selling.
I don't know why people get would get irritated by industry discounts. After all you chose to pay what you paid no- body forced you. If your unhappy with what your paying don't pay it. DCL will lower prices when people stop booking.
 
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All cruise lines offer these discount, not near the huge percentage off. Carnival gave us like 5% off. Carnival at 5% off is still less than dcl at 50% off. I think dcl sending out that survey about their European cruise is probably a good indication they are selling.

If we travel on RCCL - suite level - for May 2017 we would get 30% off plus kids stay free.

It's this sort of thing that steers us away from the mouse.
 
My theory (based solely on my own experience) is that DCL's prices are in most cases markedly higher than the competition as, for the most part, their target audience are families who will cruise with them at most a handful of times before their kids grow out of the magic and no longer have a need to pay a premium for top notch kids clubs and kid friendly entertainment. Other cruise lines are looking to build long-term relationships with adult passengers who have a 40-50 year travel window, as opposed to a 5-8 year window on DCL.

I can say that for my family, we loved DCL when my daughter was 8, and we loved it again when she was 10 - but both during and after that cruise, she expressed to us her preference to spend time on a cruise sunning on a lounger/reading a book/listening to iTunes, as opposed to spending it in a club.

As a result, when we decided to cruise again this year (daughter is now 12), we cruised on the NCL Escape and paid about 40% less for a large balcony (which fit 3 loungers, 2 chairs and a table) mini-suite with the unlimited adult and kid beverage packages included, as we would have for an oceanview room on DCL, based on booking about a year out.

We absolutely missed not going to CC, and would choose St. Maarten over Nassau, but in terms of food and service, we were more than satisfied with our experience on NCL - and with the difference in cost, we could easily have paid for 4 or 5 days at WDW after the cruise, had we chosen to take a longer trip.
 
I have read through most of this thread with interest because I, too, just priced out DCL vs Celebrity and was absolutely SHOCKED at the difference in price! I want a Southern Carib itin (since that is the only place we haven't gotten to yet) and the Fantasy will be going there next summer. 2 adults/10 nights: cat 5a, deck 9 (our usual category and room area) is $9376.04. Breaks down to over $937 per night! On Celebrity they are running some specials and I can do almost the same itin, but in May and a comparable room $3458, or I can go concierge for an additional $30pp. They are also offering a package of pick 2 so you can choose two from: all inclusive drinks package for two, unlimited internet, prepaid gratuities for 2 or $300 to spend onboard. Makes it a hard choice though because I love DCL! But do I really want to cruise in June, especially on DCL?
 
I have read through most of this thread with interest because I, too, just priced out DCL vs Celebrity and was absolutely SHOCKED at the difference in price! I want a Southern Carib itin (since that is the only place we haven't gotten to yet) and the Fantasy will be going there next summer. 2 adults/10 nights: cat 5a, deck 9 (our usual category and room area) is $9376.04. Breaks down to over $937 per night! On Celebrity they are running some specials and I can do almost the same itin, but in May and a comparable room $3458, or I can go concierge for an additional $30pp. They are also offering a package of pick 2 so you can choose two from: all inclusive drinks package for two, unlimited internet, prepaid gratuities for 2 or $300 to spend onboard. Makes it a hard choice though because I love DCL! But do I really want to cruise in June, especially on DCL?
Why would this even be hard choice with that kind of savings? People are so obsessed with the mouse their willing to pay anything, and then complain about how DCL does it's pricing. Not you specifically just speaking in general. Anybody that's willing to fork over 9k+ for 2 people on a Caribbean cruise shouldn't complain about the prices. They are the reason DCL can charge what they do.
 
Why would this even be hard choice with that kind of savings? People are so obsessed with the mouse their willing to pay anything, and then complain about how DCL does it's pricing. Not you specifically just speaking in general. Anybody that's willing to fork over 9k+ for 2 people on a Caribbean cruise shouldn't complain about the prices. They are the reason DCL can charge what they do.

You are right. I was being kind of facetious because that is such a huge savings and Celebrity is offering quite a bit of incentive. I am not that fond of the mouse that I would outlay that kind of extra cash, but I know alot that do, that is what keeps DCL/Disney such a lucrative business. As a stockholder, I appreciate that there are so many obsessed with the mouse and willing to pay these prices. :)
 
You are right. I was being kind of facetious because that is such a huge savings and Celebrity is offering quite a bit of incentive. I am not that fond of the mouse that I would outlay that kind of extra cash, but I know alot that do, that is what keeps DCL/Disney such a lucrative business. As a stockholder, I appreciate that there are so many obsessed with the mouse and willing to pay these prices. :)
I just got back from a convention at the Anaheim convention center. The kids went with me, and we walked from our hotel over to Downtown Disney for dinner. We did not go to the parks. I can definitely appreciate the atmosphere and the Disney Magic because you feel it as soon get a mile from the place. My kids do not. They could really care less, and from a financial standpoint I'm glad. They are more interesting in traveling out of the country and over seas. Of course that is not cheap, but it's something new for me and them. I grew up 20 minutes from Disneyland so I have some emotional ties from my childhood. I think it takes most of us adults back in time when the world was a lot different.
I was sad to see that every guest at Disneyland had to walk through a medal detector and stand in a 20 minute security line. Totally different world my kids are growing up in.
 

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