Praying Won't Affect Heart Patients

In a hurry said:
Awww, OK. Thanks for not taking offense. I miss things sometimes, and have a difficult time keeping track of people! It would be the Catholic viewpoint that is different than what I experienced, I expect. The church I attended was more of a fundamental one, and I have to say that to hear some of them speak, it was my fault that drunk driver killed my sons. That there was a "lesson" for me in it.

Take care...and keep praying for Sylvester!

:grouphug: Wow... I am so sad to hear people imply that your sons' death was somehow your fault. I guess the problem is that even though people are well-intentioned they (including me :wave: ) sometimes feel like they need to say something, but don't know what to say. The reslut is something ignorant and insensitive flies out of their mouth. (All who have been there, done that, and got the t-shirt say "Amen")

The best I can figure, God deosn't will anything bad to happen to anyone. But suffering is just a fact of the world we live in. God could step in and stop every instance of suffering, but he gave us freedom to choose him or reject him. I am sure that makes some see God as a b#&^*&^d, but for those who choose him it somehow makes sense. After all this is a God who chose death on a cross for himself. We hardly would expect him to make our lives a guaranteed non-stop vacation. I think it breaks God's heart when there is suffering -just as surely as it does ours. But for God to wipe away the chaos would be to make us into puppets instead of children.
 
In a hurry said:
Awww, OK. Thanks for not taking offense. I miss things sometimes, and have a difficult time keeping track of people! It would be the Catholic viewpoint that is different than what I experienced, I expect. The church I attended was more of a fundamental one, and I have to say that to hear some of them speak, it was my fault that drunk driver killed my sons. That there was a "lesson" for me in it.

Take care...and keep praying for Sylvester!
I should probably say that what I've said comes from what I've seen and experienced, not from church teachings.

Praying for Sylvester is a church thing (and won't he be glad when he's in heaven?! Although his heaven will be full of fish and beer, so we'll be in different sections...I don't know about DH...he'll want to be in Sylvester's heaven, but I'll want him in mine. So, we'll have to go to the Heavenly Appeals Board.)

There isn't a way to convey how truly sorry I am to hear about your sons. I wish I could say something that would ease your pain, but of course there isn't anything. Consider yourself cyber-hugged.
 
Zippa D Doodah said:
I am sure that makes some see God as a b#&^*&^d, but for those who choose him it somehow makes sense. After all this is a God who chose death on a cross for himself. We hardly would expect him to make our lives a guaranteed non-stop vacation.
Hurry,
I'm quite sure that Zippa D is expounding on religious beliefs here, and not applying this to your situation. I've read Zippa's posts before, and know Zippa would not want you to infer that having children who aren't killed is the equivalent of a non-stop vacation, or that your sons' deaths make sense, if only you believe in God.

I can easily see someone, especially someone who has been through what you have, taking it that way.

Zippa was trying to be kind, I am sure.
 

In a hurry said:
Awww, OK. Thanks for not taking offense. I miss things sometimes, and have a difficult time keeping track of people! It would be the Catholic viewpoint that is different than what I experienced, I expect. The church I attended was more of a fundamental one, and I have to say that to hear some of them speak, it was my fault that drunk driver killed my sons. That there was a "lesson" for me in it.

Take care...and keep praying for Sylvester!
Oh my goodness. I am speechless. I can’t believe that someone would imply that losing your sons to a drunk driver is somehow your fault. That is the most insensitive, ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. I am so very sorry for your loss. Please know that I would never go to a church that treated people that way—they are not representative of my faith. They should’ve been offering to help you in any way possible and showering you with love and support, not trying to figure out the “lesson” in it for you. :hug:
 
Awww, thanks. I didn't take it wrong. You know, I am starting to heal and slower to take offense!
 
In a hurry said:
Awww, OK. Thanks for not taking offense. I miss things sometimes, and have a difficult time keeping track of people! It would be the Catholic viewpoint that is different than what I experienced, I expect. The church I attended was more of a fundamental one, and I have to say that to hear some of them speak, it was my fault that drunk driver killed my sons. That there was a "lesson" for me in it.

Take care...and keep praying for Sylvester!

I've read your posts before read about your sons it literally took my breath away. Not even being able to see your face, but just knowing you are a mom I felt a literal ache for you and that loss.

I know the people who spoke to you about *purpose* meant well. It does sound ridiculous at the time, but even now are you able to see where you have been an incredible source of strength for someone else who has gone through agonizing loss? Not so that your pain was caused for that purpose, but out of your pain there can be purpose? If I knew someone like you and I was grieving I would feel like I could come to you with my fear, anger, sadness, etc.

I think that's what some people try to say. I have lost two babies through miscarriage and I often heard people use the *God's will* speech with me. I even had people suggest that it was God's way of telling me to not have anymore children. People are at such a loss and totally ignorant of what to say. :guilty:

They say all kinds of weird stuff when people die. When my mother passed away (and I've heard this countless times) people would say, "well, I guess God just needed her more in heaven than we did down here". I suppose that must give them comfort some how, but it never made sense to me, as a child to think that God cared more about *his* needs than mine. I couldn't figure out how in world the Almighty God needed my mother who was the best at puttin' hot rollers in my hair and telling me that "if a person treats you like that, then they ain't your friend anyway". I thought, what a selfish God! He doesn't wear hot rollers and for goodness sakes he doesn't need a boost in his self-esteem! :rolleyes:

While I do believe there can be a *lesson* in every single event in our life it is just plain wrong to tell someone that who is hurting. Sounds like salt in a wound to me. Loss just plain stinks and there is absolute mystery in it that I won't resolve this side of heaven.

I agree with eadbride about church and how you were treated, but I can tell you there are some stray loonies everywhere you go and church is no exception. :rotfl2:
 
In a hurry said:
Awww, OK. Thanks for not taking offense. I miss things sometimes, and have a difficult time keeping track of people! It would be the Catholic viewpoint that is different than what I experienced, I expect. The church I attended was more of a fundamental one, and I have to say that to hear some of them speak, it was my fault that drunk driver killed my sons. That there was a "lesson" for me in it.

:grouphug: I am so sorry for your loss, people can be cruel without thinking what they are saying. :grouphug: Shirley
 
the name of this thread should be changed to 'praying won't affect sylvester mcbean'. :) if it gets you through your day, good. we all need something, I watch the Simpsons.

In a Hurry, I'm sorry for your loss as well. friends of ours recently lost their son in an ATV accident. some of the things I heard people tell my friends about his death at the visitation scared me. I just chose to keep an arm around them. there's no blessing in their suffering, just raw pain.
 
Sylvester McBean said:
the name of this thread should be changed to 'praying won't affect sylvester mcbean'. :) if it gets you through your day, good. we all need something, I watch the Simpsons.
Or, possibly, Everyone Pray For Sylvester, See What a Heathen He Is?;) :goodvibes
 
Sylvester McBean said:
the name of this thread should be changed to 'praying won't affect sylvester mcbean'.

Sounds good to me at this point. Any objections?
 

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