PPO BOG did not cause Early Morning Magic

[Nancyg56]

I'm curious what you mean by the bolded?

I think this entire thing has been a big dance between Disney and its guests. Both sides know what the others are up to and are enabling each other. They could make it fixed price, but they'd likely deter some paying customers from booking. I think they used the BOG experience as a test for this new high dollar event. But they just recently increased costs, what..... 20% for breakfast so the cronut is now $24? Do they really think people are paying $24 for a cronut? They knew people would pay it if they had a 10 minute head start on 7DMT so it worked. And I also find myself wondering if anyone really will pay $24 for a cronut on days when the early event is running and all they get when they are done eating is a chance to see the event guests riding.

I think that when it opened it was a test. CS for lunch and TS for dinner. No ADR's for lunch was a cluster, so it was the first CS restaurant to require an ADR for lunch. It is innovative in regards to serving the food, and is lovely. It is treated like an attraction, yet it is a restaurant. People wander around like it is a museum and take pictures. WEird, but understandable.

And then it morphs into a TS restaurant...wine with dinner, a character meal yet not, and very coveted. So what is next? Breakfast, but not just any breakfast.....we get this high priced French inspired meal, all inclusive and a fixed cost. But NEVER enforced. Why not? You need an ADR to get in, Disney advertises it as though it is a fixed cost, but looks the other way when folks choose to share....and I mean SHARE. What is the point?

I have always wondered what the original concept of this restaurant was, and if it is anywhere near that now. because it still seems like it is confused.

 

[Nancyg56]

I don't disagree, but I think if they believe they can get away with charging $25 a head instead of the price of a cupcake, why not?

That is what I do not understand. It makes no sense to me, but what do I know. I would have reduced the cost a little and charged per head and made no exceptions. I would not have added the cupcake. But what do I know??? LOL!

 

[_auroraborealis_]

To be clear: No one is "taking advantage" at BOG. Disney has never mandated everyone ordering something. Now they offer a la carte beverages and the cupcake. People are behaving well within the rules. Heck, CMs bring extra pastries to tables of 5 who ordered one meal.

The people who make the ADR and pay the $10 no-show fee to "get an extra FastPass+," basically? They're behaving dubiously, and I don't know that there's a single thing Disney can do about them. Disney is already assessing the no-show, which is policy.

The people who have tantrums if they don't get 7DMT before rope drop? They're behaving like toddlers denied a fruit snack.

These new morning/night hours are most likely to "negatively" impact the people who count on a pre-park ADR to get them extra privileges beyond breakfast. Most people will be able to carry on with their day with no impact.

 

[mom2rtk]

I think that when it opened it was a test. CS for lunch and TS for dinner. No ADR's for lunch was a cluster, so it was the first CS restaurant to require an ADR for lunch. It is innovative in regards to serving the food, and is lovely. It is treated like an attraction, yet it is a restaurant. People wander around like it is a museum and take pictures. WEird, but understandable.

And then it morphs into a TS restaurant...wine with dinner, a character meal yet not, and very coveted. So what is next? Breakfast, but not just any breakfast.....we get this high priced French inspired meal, all inclusive and a fixed cost. But NEVER enforced. Why not? You need an ADR to get in, Disney advertises it as though it is a fixed cost, but looks the other way when folks choose to share....and I mean SHARE. What is the point?

I have always wondered what the original concept of this restaurant was, and if it is anywhere near that now. because it still seems like it is confused.

Good points.

I think it's exactly what they intended........ by coming as close to an attraction with a separate admission fee as they felt they could get away with at the time.

 

[monorailrabbit]

Be glad they thought 1.5 early morning hours was half Disney After Dark and were gracious enough to include a buffet breakfast! ("I am altering the deal, pray I don't alter it any further" #Vader).

 

[snowman]

Apparently I am out of step....but what does PPO mean?

 

[Nancyg56]

To be clear: No one is "taking advantage" at BOG. Disney has never mandated everyone ordering something. Now they offer a la carte beverages and the cupcake. People are behaving well within the rules. Heck, CMs bring extra pastries to tables of 5 who ordered one meal.

The people who make the ADR and pay the $10 no-show fee to "get an extra FastPass+," basically? They're behaving dubiously, and I don't know that there's a single thing Disney can do about them. Disney is already assessing the no-show, which is policy.

The people who have tantrums if they don't get 7DMT before rope drop? They're behaving like toddlers denied a fruit snack.

These new morning/night hours are most likely to "negatively" impact the people who count on a pre-park ADR to get them extra privileges beyond breakfast. Most people will be able to carry on with their day with no impact.

Yes. I think that once people felt they were entitled to more than they were promised, well...... I believe many of the folks are the ones who are angry. Me? I never made it to any attraction that opened early, not even after there were NO exceptions, no pixie dust rides. So for my family nothing will change. We will carry on just as we did before.

 

[Nancyg56]

Apparently I am out of step....but what does PPO mean?

Pre Park Opening

 

[SnipsNSnails]

I guess I do not understand the "conscience" issue. This is a CS restaurant, and from day one, Disney allowed sharing. They not only allowed people to share, they opened the door for people to simply order a cupcake in order to eat in the restaurant. If this was not a practice that was condoned by Disney, this would never happen. Never.

My family usually is in the DDP and we all order a meal in BOG for breakfast, but we like breakfast, and this one suits our family more than CP does. But if one of us was not hungry, I would have no problem sharing my food, or having the person order a beverage. I am not a rule breaker, and I do not spend one second tryng to find ways to scam Disney, and truthfully, I have never understood why BOG did not enforce the fixed prix meals per person, but I cannot see any wrongdoing since they chose not to do so.

^^ This We had the DDP and will often share at QS meals. We waited until the night before to pre-order and our BOG PPO was our last day there so we waited to see what we had for QS credits. We had a lot so we decided to each order our own meal as it's a good value for QS credits. My DH didn't care for the adult offerings but loves oatmeal so he ordered the kids oatmeal. We had never done PPO and we waited to take our castle pictures until that morning, we have some where you can't see anyone else in them! My oldest son also got to pull the sword on the way in which I think made his whole trip! I had anticipated being able to ride 7DMT and did not get FP for that day. If it hadn't happened, I would have been a little disappointed as our boys loved that ride. But we had already been on it twice during the trip so it would not have been the end of the world. We did get to ride twice. We also got to sit in the West Wing and we had been in the ballroom for our lunch and dinner, so we were super excited to find a table in the WW. It really was a perfect morning for us.

 

[mom2rtk]

Apparently I am out of step....but what does PPO mean?

I keep mixing it up with my latest health plan.

 

[JimmyV]

People are saying the whole Early Morning Magic money grab is the result of all us cheaters who made PPO BOG reservations with no intent of ordering a full meal at $25 a head (for a donut, no less!).

Honestly, I've read most of the threads on the topic, and I don't recall any palpable outpouring of criticism based on this issue.

Wouldn't be surprised if a fixed BOG price is the next big change.

Since we have been asked to do so, I will say that my point below is PURE SPECULATION.
I agree with aaarcher86. If the $69 event once a week (or so) is at all successful, I could easily see Disney making the BoG experience an "everyday" thing where the cost is shifted to a prix fixe model ($24 per adult, $14 per child) and the "experience" specifically includes early admission to Fantasyland. Why not? If they are already allowing people early rides on the Mine Train as "pixie dust", why not just bake it in to the price of the meal and make it a paid-for perk? I can't imagine that they wouldn't fill the restaurant 365 days a year under this pretext and they would probably triple their current revenues by eliminating the "cupcake only" crowd.

Personally I think that this is a wicked huge restaurant and it has a potential to feed a lot of people during the morning hours.

Nothing to add to this, other than to say that as a New Englander, I just love seeing the word "wicked" used in a sentence.

 

[Hikergirl]

I think people are still so desperate for BOG reservations they'll pay it just to see inside the castle.

Then you've got breakfast bringing in more money on top of this paid morning BS.

I totally agree

 

[jkh36619]

Lets be realistic here folks.

There is no loophole, there are no unintended side effects. Disney knows exactly what they are doing. Disney has simply been testing the waters for EMM. Why else would they open the ride or allow ala carte at BOG. They are not stupid or naive. PPO BOGers were simple beta testers.

 

[Hikergirl]

Lets be realistic here folks.

There is no loophole, there are no unintended side effects. Disney knows exactly what they are doing. Disney has simply been testing the waters for EMM. Why else would they open the ride or allow ala carte at BOG. They are not stupid or naive. PPO BOGers were simple beta testers.

That loophole was definitely intentional, Disney knew what it was doing by allowing people onto 7DMT. The thing is though, those that were exploiting that "pixie dust" thought they were getting something exclusive to them. I think now that Disney has decided to offer an actual paid event that allows others to enjoy the ride those people are bothered by that because they are losing out on their exclusive "loophole" to ride 7DMT. I truly think they feel something has been taken from them. You see this kind of reaction whenever disney changes something.

 

[Nancyg56]

That loophole was definitely intentional, Disney knew what it was doing by allowing people onto 7DMT. The thing is though, those that were exploiting that "pixie dust" thought they were getting something exclusive to them. I think now that Disney has decided to offer an actual paid event that allows others to enjoy the ride those people are bothered by that because they are losing out on their exclusive "loophole" to ride 7DMT. I truly think they feel something has been taken from them. You see this kind of reaction whenever disney changes something.

Remember when Disney enforced the FP return times? Holy Furious were some!

 

[Jfine]

What is up with the croissant donut hatred on this board? Apparently disers don't appreciate a glorious pile of sugar.
In defense of this delicious breakfast, all food at Disney is overpriced for what you get. Disney please don't take away my BOG breakfast

 

[Jfine]

I think this argument is a little bit chicken and egg esque. Maybe people were ordering a full meal at BOG breakfast and then requesting a cupcake while they were there and Disney saw a demand for it and created the option.

 

[Saturn23]

But one thing we all know..... the mouse is much smarter than the rest of us..... and always one step ahead.

That's only because we let him. We're all addicted and keep going back. If only we could somehow break the addiction, the mouse would have nothing on us.

 

[gorjus121]

I think this argument is a little bit chicken and egg esque. Maybe people were ordering a full meal at BOG breakfast and then requesting a cupcake while they were there and Disney saw a demand for it and created the option.

I would have to agree with you ...just from all the posts Ive seen on the DIS boards alone about the cupcakes...its in demand so its nice its on the menu. We have always done early ADRs at CP and it was price-fixed. I personally was shocked to read on this threads that people only order a cupcake and maybe coffee. But as the original poster mentioned they should of just made it price-fixed. If they have not already, they will likely stop running the 7DMT before RD if this keeps occurring. Anyone has the right to order what they want, but I also feel bad for those wanting a BOG ADR that were unable to get one.

I'm still annoyed they changed the breakfast pricing since I originally secured an ADR. What's next??

 

[mom2rtk]

What is up with the croissant donut hatred on this board? Apparently disers don't appreciate a glorious pile of sugar.
In defense of this delicious breakfast, all food at Disney is overpriced for what you get. Disney please don't take away my BOG breakfast

I haven't had one yet, but would love to try it!

The commentary isn't about the item. It's about the price for the item.