POTC Slammed by the Academy

[YoHo]

Calling "you" (I didn't mean to single YOU out in particular with that) a homer and talking about Snorting Pixiedust.

dude, Magic Kills M'kay?

Makes me giggle like a little schoolgirl regardless of how accurate a statement it is.

As for the poll, to be honest, I wasn't entirely sure. I wouldn't have been completely surprised to see it go the other way at THIS discussion board. Just as I regularly see AotC rated above any of the LotR movies at Star Wars discussion boards. Even though LotR is pretty much better in every movie making way to AotC. I expect a certain amount of homerism around here.

 

[raidermatt]

The homefield advantage is a given. The only question is how much its worth.

 

[BRERALEX]

But aren't we allowed a dissent without being negatively characterized?

i didnt think i was characterizing anyone negatively i just thought it was pretty clear cut which movie had better special effects.

I wonder if on a LOTR board if the same poll was given if POC would get any votes. And yes those guys would be crazy LOTR fanatics but i consider myself a crazy Disney fanatic and i went with ROTK

 

[DVC-Landbaron]

Why was LOTR worthy. The plot is full of holes and it was tedious (my opinion) and very predictable.

What movie did you watch!?!?!?

I wonder how people on this board would have felt this way if Disney (or a subsidiary) had its name on it instead of New Line?

Of course if it was made by Miramax (as it almost was) we wouldn’t be talking about it because they would have RUINED it! UTTERLY!!

Mr. Yoho, sorry for having an opinion contrary to yours...I'll try to contact you first before formulating another.

Ahhhhhh! The ups and downs of internet discussion boards! There was a time you used to check your ideas with me! Alas, now it’s YoHo!

But of course your opinions are always safer on your 'home turf' where contrasting opinions are simply not tolerated.

In case no one ever made it official (and I thought I had before), I hereby invite you to our “HOME TURF”. It’s fun! And no one has come to blows yet! Come on over!! Scoop will welcome you with open arms (if not BIG wet kisses!!! )!!!

BTW: Just an opinion, but the music for LotR is WONDERFUL!!! It deserved the win for the past two years. It was only karma coming around!

 

[YoHo]

Oh sure, invite him now. indian giver.

 

[DVC-Landbaron]

I figured it was safe. The site's still down!!!!

 

[airlarry!]

What is the Oscar for anyway?

I always thought of it (at least for myself) as the best movie I have seen that year.

Hands down LOTR wins, but Whale Rider is a close second.

Pirates does make the top ten, but only because Johnny Depp was so damn funny, not because it was a serious movie with any message.

The one word line "Pirate" will live on for time immemorial as a classic Depp line.

But come on, better than LOTR:ROTK?

 

[KNWVIKING]

***'I wonder how people on this board would have felt this way if Disney (or a subsidiary) had its name on it instead of New Line?"***

Carefull, that's a double-edged sword you're swinging there.

 

[DVC-Landbaron]

How so, Mr. Viking?

 

[Planogirl]

Originally posted by DVC-Landbaron
In case no one ever made it official (and I thought I had before), I hereby invite you to our “HOME TURF”. It’s fun! And no one has come to blows yet! Come on over!! Scoop will welcome you with open arms (if not BIG wet kisses!!! )!!!

I wish that Peter Pirate would make it on over there particularly since scoop is carrying so much of the load on his own. Well, except when that guy with many names pops up. But wet kisses? Ewwwww!!!!

Many people keep referring to ROTK as a serious movie and Pirates as a funny movie. I think that they're both fun, it's just that ROTK has deep emotions and ideas running through it whereas POTC, as good as it is, is a bit empty-headed.

It's interesting too that a few people don't seem to know how Gollum was created. I wonder now how much of ROTK is thought to be movie sets and real characters instead of special effects? And in turn, how many real places and people are presumed to be special effects?

 

[Another Voice]

"I felt Pirates was exceptional in the way it portrayed the walking dead."

Wow! Michael Eisner was in Pirates of the Caribbean? I completely missed it.


"We've seen that level of CGI effect in Jackson's film over and over so why now is it oscar worthy for RoTK?"

Because you never realized 90% of the special effects that were on the screen. That's the truest sign of good special effects. Watch the "making of" features on the DVDs and you'll see how little "real" actually was filmed. Pirates had one very, very short SFX sequence and tiny bits here and there – and each one was clearly a CGI effect.

And perhaps it's Mr. Jackson's ability to keep "that level of CGI effort" from film to film that deserving of an award. Disney tried once with Dinosaur and they ran screaming away like a frightened three-year old. To do something at the highest level and over a long period of time is the hallmark of a great organization.

It's not a strength of Disney anymore.


"Yes, Mr. Voice, I understand that to be true and I feel very badly for you."

And they said we never have anything in common…


"Did you guys not understand these moral premises before Jackson sat on his bully pulpit?"

It helps to remind people, from time to time, that's "there's still good left in this world Mr. Frodo – and it's worth fighting for."

A slightly more important premise these days than "don't let your monkey steal gold coins".


P.S. – Frankly by now the entire Lord of the Rings should have well over 30 Oscars – it's been robbed the previous two years.

 

[renknt]

Originally posted by Another Voice
"

"We've seen that level of CGI effect in Jackson's film over and over so why now is it oscar worthy for RoTK?"

Here is another reason it deserved this oscar( Taken from the Academy of Motion Pictures and Sciences, Sci- Tech Winners)

"To Stephen Regelous for the design and development of Massive, the autonomous agent animation system used for the battle sequences in "The Lord of the Rings" trilogy.
Massive takes a new approach in simulating behaviors of large numbers of computer generated extras (a.k.a.) "agents." Each "agent" contains a primitive software "brain" used to develop behavioral rules simulating a wide range of behaviors. In "The Lord of the Rings" trilogy, over 200,000 agents were controlled in several scenes."


I to loved the PoC the skeletons were a gerat FX but the were not in the same league as the battle scenes in TTT or RotK

Is that invite open to every one ?

 

[KNWVIKING]

***" I wonder how people on this board would have felt this way if Disney (or a subsidiary) had its name on it instead of New Line? "***

I thought the same thing, only I was wondering what "the Element" would have said about LotR (all three of them) if they were the EXACT same movies done by Disney. How many posts would read: " Yeah, good movie BUT..." or " It could have been so much more if ME hadn't ...."

 

[airlarry!]

You mean like how we dissed Lilo & Stitch just cause it had Disney on the label?

Personally, if Disney had put out the pics in exactly the same way, I'd still have shivers with thrills from the Oscars.

Hey, Scoop, not to quibble but wasn't LOTR more of an ensemble movie?

Aragorn, Boromir, the kings, Gandalf, the elves, and the fair ladies...weren't all these performances at least as good as Mr. Rush's performance? (I'm not knocking Sir Geoffery here...he's been a pleasure to watch ever since I saw him in 'Romeo & Ethel the Pirate's Daughter')

 

[Another Voice]

"...if they were the EXACT same movies done by Disney. "

If it had been the same exact movie - I would have been thrilled just like with Lilo and Stitch, The Rookie, Freaky Friday and other good movies that come from Disney.

But the problem was - and the reason The Lord of the Rings moved from Disney to Warner Brothers - is that Eisner refused to make the EXACT movie. In fact, he demanded they make a single, two hour of the entire trilogy. And the reason, according to Eisner, becasue fantasy doesn't make money.

Kind of a bonehead statement from a guy that collects billions from theme park castles all over the place.

 

[KNWVIKING]

***"You mean like how we dissed Lilo & Stitch just cause it had Disney on the label?"***

Name me one thing that Disney has done in the last 5 years or so where at least some portion of Car 3 hasn't "dissed" it to some level ? Where every rebutal didn't include something to the effect of "Yeah, BUT....."

Baron threw out there that the homers would be singing the praises of LotR had Disneys name been on it. My contention is that the away team would be dissing it if Disney's name were on it- or at least some members of the team.

As for L&S: I never saw the movie but I'll assume it was very good. But I wonder how much additional support it got on this board simply because it was made in WDW rather then Burbank ?

 

[YoHo]

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but for Me, LOTR would have gotten no more, nor any fewer complaints from me if it were the EXACT same movie, but from Disney.

As far as those other films. Scoop and everyone in general, you need to seperate complaints about process from complaints about the actual moviemaking.

L&S was an excellent film. The process the studio used to generate L&S was bad. These are not the same thing. The same can be said for Freaky Friday. The process and impetus for Freaky Friday is junk.

The movie itself?
Pretty darn good.


If you can't differentiate between those two, then we will NEVER be able to reach any form of understanding.

 

[KNWVIKING]

***"The process the studio used to generate L&S was bad. "***

Pleae explain. What was the bad process ?

 

[YoHo]

The entire system under which Feature animation operated based on edicts down from Eisner was detrimental to the production of quality entertainment.

It was widely reported that L&S literally snuck through under the Radar and that is the only way it got made as a halfway decent film.

Florida animation was further away from the Trolls and thus was able to produce better films hence Mulan, L&S and Brother Bear. While California FA was under constant scrutiny from managment. They were interfered with and their products suffered.

This is a hell of a way to run a railroad, much less a Movie studio. That is what most of the ridicule revolved around. That and then promotion issues.

I don't think it is fair to lump those kinds of criticisms with the movie.
Yes, I may use the struggles of L&S to illustrate a problem with the studio, but that does not mean that L&S isn't a good movie.

Similarly, I would not think MORE of Atlantis if another studio put it out. It would still be a half finished mildly entertaining bomb.

 

[ivanova]

Of the nominations that PoTC got, I think they should've won special effects ... yes LoTR had great effects, but the skeletons in PoTC rocked & outshown everything else ... unfortunately I think academy voters went down the ballot & checked LoTR in every category it appeared in. Too bad.