Post your crazy school supply item here.

It is very rare for a teacher to make $75K in many states, even with a doctorate degree.

http://www.ncpublicschools.org/docs/fbs/finance/salary/schedules/2012-13schedules.pdf

And BTW, teachers are WITH KIDS 185 days per year. They also have teacher workdays for a week before and after school is out, plus the ones during the year, plus inservice trainings during the summer, not to mention planning during weekends, breaks and summer. I estimate I worked 208 days this year; these are times that were mandatory, and does not count planning. If someone works a "regular" job for 52 weeks, 5 days in each week is 260 days. Let's subtract the regular holidays--New Years Day, Easter Friday/Monday, Memorial Day, July 4th, Labor Day, Thanksgiving(2 days), Christmas(2 days), so that makes 250 days. Most people get what? 10 days paid vacation? So 240 days. So, tops, I work 32 days less than most professionals. And I make less than a garbageman with the same years of service to the state.

So, no, I'm not buying supplies because I have such an EASY job. I buy supplies because otherwise, your kids are at a disadvantage. As little as I make as a single mom, when my son's geometry teacher mentioned they would not be working with compasses because most kids could not afford them, I went online and spent $50 to get her a class set. I'm sure there were many parents more financially able to buy these, but they probably had the attitude that it wasn't their problem.
 
We are moving up to High School this year and he's signed up for the Air Force JROTC program. I have no idea what to expect in regards to supplies. I'm actually dreading it. Hope to find out soon. His 8th grade supplies weren't that terrible, other than 3 of his teachers requiring 3" binders just for their class. It was just really cumbersome to lug these around every day. I guess we'll find out soon enough what he will need.
 
We are moving up to High School this year and he's signed up for the Air Force JROTC program. I have no idea what to expect in regards to supplies. I'm actually dreading it. Hope to find out soon. His 8th grade supplies weren't that terrible, other than 3 of his teachers requiring 3" binders just for their class. It was just really cumbersome to lug these around every day. I guess we'll find out soon enough what he will need.

The binders have been my pet peeve since DD16 started Middle School. I understand that they help the student stay organized but the teachers seriously need to come up with an organizational system that is more portable. By last year, Sophomore year, my DD was still carting around a ridiculous load but she vows to join the rebels this year who get a spiral for notes and a pocket folder for handouts for each class. She hasn't had a teacher since 8th grade that actually checked the binders so I agree that it's time to come up with her own plan. She's extremely organized by nature so I have no worries that she can't keep things together.
 
We are moving up to High School this year and he's signed up for the Air Force JROTC program. I have no idea what to expect in regards to supplies. I'm actually dreading it. Hope to find out soon. His 8th grade supplies weren't that terrible, other than 3 of his teachers requiring 3" binders just for their class. It was just really cumbersome to lug these around every day. I guess we'll find out soon enough what he will need.

I never bought my son the 3" binders. I would do the 1 1/2" and if it got full, I figured we could buy a second. 1 1/2" ended up being fine though.
 

Where we live, teachers make $75K plus a year for working 185 days. If they have to buy a few supplies, I am not feeling too bad for them. :rotfl2:

Where do you live? I want to submit an application because I make nowhere near that.
 
Where do you live? I want to submit an application because I make nowhere near that.

Heck, my family member who taught for 30 years and then had a head administrative position (not principal, but head of a department for a large (four high schools) district) wasn't making that when she retired.
 
Quick Google search urned up this listing for teacher's salaries

http://www.teacherportal.com/teacher-salaries-by-state/

I don't think most teachers receive astronomical salaries but most do receive fairly nice benefit and retirement packages. You have to take that into account when you are comparing the compensation for different positions. I make more than virtually all teachers (and most administrators) ut I pay for 30% of my health care costs (which have fairly high deductables/co-pays) as well as I am responsible for virtually all of my retirement savings (Other than a very small match for 401k contributions.) And they do work fewer days per year than the average American worker as well. No one thinks a teacher is going to become rich in their position but they shouldn't be living in poverty either at their salary levels.

(As I side note, I went to a pretty expensive private university and it never ceased to amaze me how many people went to this school for a degree in education. I will never understand why people pay $30k+/yr these days to get a degree in education.) There are plenty of fine colleges & universities with degrees in education that are far cheaper! I can't have much sympathy for someone who chooses the expensive route and then complains about the inability to meet their student loan payments when they graduate!)

I wouldn't expect teachers to provide supplies for students. I do expect them to provide if there are special things that they want (such as special pencil sharpener since they seem to bother so many teachers :rotfl:) I expect my district to provide the necessary items for the teachers to do their jobs. In a perfect world, they would have the best of everything but we know that isn't a reality. There has to be a balance between what you want and what you can have (just like verything else in life.) No kids needs special pencils, smelly markers, tyvek envelopes to get a good education.
 
I am starting my 24th year in education. I am at the top of the pay scale and make no where near $75,000 a year. Middle school principals don't even make that in my district.

We have students 210 days of the year. We are contracted for 225 this year. My neighbor works for Oracle and has more days off than I do.

We pay 25% of our health insurance, but I don't mind because at least we have it. We pay all of our dental, but get a group rate. We do not get vision unless we pay for that as well.

They take our retirement out of our paycheck instead of Social Security. If you work in the private sector you pay SS, which is your retirement. They take 10% of our paycheck for our retirement. I have a 401k, but that is also taken out of my paycheck as a choice. The district does not match or contribute. That makes us 100% responsible for our retirement as well.


Many here are complaining about the unused materials that find their way home at the end of the school year. We have plenty of kids who walk around the school with no pencil, notebook, paper, etc. Yet they clean out their lockers at the end of the year and they have brand new notebooks, unsharpened pencils, and a packet of unused paper. All year they bum materials from classmates or teachers.

We spend tons of our money replacing materials, such as books, lab equipment, etc that kids have ruined by mistreating the item. As someone mentioned up thread, don't even get me started on the kids who pry the keys off the laptops. They know that the school will request $$ to replace the item or repair it, but their parents will just throw the bill away. When school fees increased these were the parents who complained the most. (Our school fees went from $25 to $30 last year.)

In my county the fire marshall dictates what products that contain chemicals we can use. We can only have Clorox wipes and if he comes in and sees Lysol wipes we get a write up. The same goes for paint brands, markers, and glue. Don't ask me why, but this is the rule in my county.

If you don't want to purchase the named items on the list, then please, by all means don't. But at least purchase pencils that will not break my pencil sharpener (which I have to purchase), paper, and some sort of notebook or folder.
 
In New Zealand an Ipad is like $2000. Where as you can get a laptop for about $500. So in this instance, it's not cheaper. I understand that technology is becoming a big part of learning these days, I was in a class at Intermediate where we did everything on the computer! But I think it's a little rude of a school (and a public school, I might add) to say that to continue going there you have to buy an Ipad. It's not exactly in a super dooper well off area either. I don't know, just doesn't seem fair on everyone to me :confused3
 
Heck, my family member who taught for 30 years and then had a head administrative position (not principal, but head of a department for a large (four high schools) district) wasn't making that when she retired.

Heck the average teacher salary in 2009 was $75,000 here. I personally know teachers making much more. My mother as a principal has a PENSION well into six figures!
 
Heck the average teacher salary in 2009 was $75,000 here. I personally know teachers making much more. My mother as a principal has a PENSION well into six figures!

States that have unions and a high cost of living definitely have higher salaries and benefits. Here in NC, even a teacher with 35 years experience, a PhD and National Board certification makes less than $70,000 a year. Teachers do get free health insurance, but you have to pay extra if you want the lower copays and deductibles, and the family plans are expensive. We pay into both SS and retirement(mandatory) and I believe the state matches that(for all state employees, not just teachers).
 
Your school district may have that many but that is NOT the norm. Most school districts have a 180 school calendar. The Walton County GA school district in which I live has a 160 school calendar. None of the teachers have been complaining. Same pay, less days. The district saved all the money on transportation twenty less days and support staff.

Georgia only has two union school districts in the whole state. Georgia has a higher starting pay than several union teacher states including wonderful Wisconsin.
 
To the pp mentioning teachers making 75k and who cares if they have to buy a few school supplies.
My DH makes works for a large well know gas company, makes quite a bit more than that ... does that mean we need to pay for our neighbor's gas because they can't afford it or are just to lazy or cheap to go out and buy ??
REALLY ?? Are you freaking kidding me , it is NOT a teacher's job to supply you child's supplies .

:worship:

I'm at the top of the pay scale for my state, and I don't make anywhere near $75,000 a year.

Our state also hasn't given teachers instructional supply money in several years. I'm so thankful to have wonderful classroom parents who are willing to help provide extra supplies!
 
Your school district may have that many but that is NOT the norm. Most school districts have a 180 school calendar. The Walton County GA school district in which I live has a 160 school calendar. None of the teachers have been complaining. Same pay, less days. The district saved all the money on transportation twenty less days and support staff.

Georgia only has two union school districts in the whole state. Georgia has a higher starting pay than several union teacher states including wonderful Wisconsin.

I imagine they are doing the 4 day school week to save the state money, right? If so,the work hours are longer, and work out to the same amount of time that was in the 180 day schedule. If not, I'd like to teach there ;-) I think most states are around 180 days with kids; teachers work at least 3 weeks when kids are not there.

:worship:

I'm at the top of the pay scale for my state, and I don't make anywhere near $75,000 a year.

Our state also hasn't given teachers instructional supply money in several years. I'm so thankful to have wonderful classroom parents who are willing to help provide extra supplies!

What is instructional supply money? I've been teaching 13 years and never heard of that. I guess we don't get that in NC. Our PTA does give us some money each year and there are parents who donate money to increase what we get.
 
What is instructional supply money? I've been teaching 13 years and never heard of that. I guess we don't get that in NC. Our PTA does give us some money each year and there are parents who donate money to increase what we get.

In the past, the state has allocated money for each classroom unit for supplies like teacher resource books, bulletin board sets, construction paper, paper clips, staples, paint, copy paper, etc.

However, we have not received supply money in several years so either the teachers buy items with their own money or we do without. Some teachers are even responsible for paying for copies of worksheets to be used in class.

Very rarely do we get reimbursed for out of pocket expenses. Depending on how "wealthy" your school is, you may or may not be able to get PTA to help.
 
The baby wipes are for cleaning the dry erase boards, not the desk tops. They baby wipes work as well or even better than the cleaning spray that the manufacturer of the markers sells but at a fraction of the cost.
Maybe we're using different brands. Baby wipes leave streaks on my white board, whereas the Expo brand cleaner that the school stocks is very good. Of course, by the end of the year I'm using an Expo bottle filled with water.
DD's world history teacher gave 5 points extra credit for up to 3 boxes of tissues...she was on that!
I guess she didn't get caught, but that's a huge no-no. It's the same as buying grades.
One of the biggest expenses in my state as well are teachers pensions. Every year the cost goes up. I realize many will not like what I have to say but I think it is time to change that system as well.
Two things you probably haven't considered:

1. Pensions are funded through deductions from teacher's paychecks. The taxpayers may pay a portion, especially in situations where the former teacher ends up living to be 100, but the lion's share comes from the teachers' earnings.
2. Historically teachers have accepted low pay . . . with the promise of the pension for those who make it 30 years. The pay and the benefits balance out. If you take away that end-of-the-career promise, you're going to have to increase teacher pay; otherwise, no one will take the job. I personally wouldn't work for JUST the paycheck I bring home each month.
Sorry but any school that spends millons of dollars on athletics is wasting money. Many schools where I currently live have artificial turf football fields/lights for night play etc. that costs millions to install. That is just ridiculous. Before anyone tries defending this based on those that make careers out of sports or go to college on a scholarship that is not a justifiable excuse because that is a small percentage compared to those that do not participate in sports at all. Yes extra curriculars provide a benefit but in times that we are living where schools can not even provide the supplies needed for the classroom it is ridiculous to be spending money in that way.
Again, some fact-checking would go a long way. High school sports are self-supporting. Basically, football and basketball pay for all the other sports. Teachers are required to sell tickets X number of times each year, and you'd be amazed how much money the school brings in in ticket sales. For our biggest game of the year, we easily have 8-10K in ticket sales alone. That doesn't count food sales, tee-shirts, raffles. People may whine about buying pencils, but plenty of families drop $100 for an evening of high school football.

The one thing the school does pay is the coach's supplement. That's somewhere in the neighborhood of $1500/season for a big sport/head coach and $750 for an assistant (and not all teams have assistants). That amount is totally justified by the school spirit that the teams bring to the school. Also, it's a well-known fact that being part of an athletic team is a highly positive experience for most kids; it raises their grades and self-esteem, and provides other benefits as well. (And this from the mom of two non-athletic kids.)
The schools *DO* have the funding, they *CHOSE* to spend it on bloated administration and union benefits.
Again, fact check: We have four administrators for a school of 1600 students. They arrive before the teachers every day, stay after the teachers every afternoon. One of them is required to attend every sporting event, every school event (i.e., school play, band concert) at the school. I wouldn't have their jobs.

As for union benefits, most American teachers are NOT union members -- really it's just those in the Northeast, which are also the states with the highest wages (for teachers and people in other jobs too) and the highest taxes. Regardless, schools do not pay union dues -- employees pay union dues.
Also schools, like ours, that are part of the green initiative. We will actually get fined if Clorox wipes and other chemicals are found in the school when the school is inspected.
Us too, which is pretty silly since there's no actual bleach in Clorox wipes.
Don't even get me started on how school taxes or federal income exemptions are done. :rotfl2: IMO, no senior citizen should have to pay school taxes
Why? Do senior citizens no longer benefit from living in an educated society? Do they not need the services of doctors, accountants, store clerks, etc. who were educated in the public schools? Would they rather pay for people to be on public assistance?
If you lend a pencil, it should be returned. A teacher in my district bought hideous fake flowers and super glued them to pencils and pens. She topped it off with ribbon for a little extra hold. If a student forgot a pencil or pen, she would lend one of hers out. At the end of class, she could quickly see who borrowed from her and ask for it back.

Another teacher asked for something in exchange when he lent a pencil or pen to ensure he got it back. Often a student would offer up their phone, shoe, or book. He always got his stuff back as the students needed their things back as well.

Both of these teachers were middle/high school teachers. I think it teaches a valuable lesson, return what you borrow or remember you own things.
I used to spend $$$$$ of my own money on pencils, which were never, ever returned. Then I had a Eureka moment: I bought a pack of 500 golf pencils, which cost about $5. Now, about five years later, I still have probably 450 of those pencils -- the students HATE to use them. As a result, they'll dig through their bookbags or borrow from friends -- turns out ALMOST ALL the borrowers actually had at least one pencil; they just find it easier to ask for one rather than search through their bags. They will do anything to avoid using my short, no-eraser golf pencils.
Where we live, teachers make $75K plus a year for working 185 days. If they have to buy a few supplies, I am not feeling too bad for them. :rotfl2:
You live in an unusual location. The average American teacher doesn't make that much by the end of his or her career.
I don't want to take this too far off topic, but the reason I don't think seniors should have to pay school taxes is because I think at some point enough is enough! Too many seniors have to give up their homes because they can't afford the property taxes after retirement. This will be worse in the future if they pull social security ( and few have any retirement anymore) .

BTW, I have no children and pay school tax, but at some point I think enough is enough.
My husband does my grandmother's taxes. Last year she made more money than I did -- more by a long shot. I work full-time as a teacher. She's retired but has substantial investments. Yes, some senior citizens are in dire straits because they didn't plan well, but quite a few are living well. She's done well for a farm girl from out in the sticks, and she worked her fingers to the bone for it.
(As I side note, I went to a pretty expensive private university and it never ceased to amaze me how many people went to this school for a degree in education. I will never understand why people pay $30k+/yr these days to get a degree in education.) There are plenty of fine colleges & universities with degrees in education that are far cheaper! I can't have much sympathy for someone who chooses the expensive route and then complains about the inability to meet their student loan payments when they graduate!)
I think most adults would agree with you; however, the decision to attend a 30K/year college to become qualified for a job that starts at 30K/year is made by 18-year olds, not actual adults who grasp how that debt will affect their future.
I imagine they are doing the 4 day school week to save the state money, right? If so,the work hours are longer, and work out to the same amount of time that was in the 180 day schedule. If not, I'd like to teach there ;-) I think most states are around 180 days with kids; teachers work at least 3 weeks when kids are not there . . . What is instructional supply money? I've been teaching 13 years and never heard of that. I guess we don't get that in NC. Our PTA does give us some money each year and there are parents who donate money to increase what we get.
Yes, we tend to say "X days of instruction", but the truth is that the state and the administrators calculate this by minutes of instructional time. It's just easier for us to think in full days.

I've been teaching 20 years in NC, and we used to get instructional money a loooong time ago. I want to say it ended just before you started; I want to say maybe 15 years ago, but I'm not completely sure I just know it's been a long time.
 
I wish that I made $75,000 a year! Let's just say that in Texas our starting base pay is $27,000. :(
 
Hopefully you child is getting a better education - that is what it is all about right? You used the word socialism incorrectly. In the instance above, communism is correct. From the Latin communis - which means shared or belonging to all.

It is a great thing to teach children - the power of sharing.


“The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. ”
― Margaret Thatcher
 
I imagine they are doing the 4 day school week to save the state money, right? If so,the work hours are longer, and work out to the same amount of time that was in the 180 day schedule. If not, I'd like to teach there ;-) I think most states are around 180 days with kids; teachers work at least 3 weeks when kids are not there.

In Walton County, GA the teacher's work 10 days when students aren't present. The school day was lengthened by 20 minutes due to the elimination of the 20 days. The teachers are very happy.

Teacher Salaries by State

Georgia has made a lot of progress as far as teachers go. They are 3rd on the Teacher Salary Index, 14th highest on Starting Teacher Salary and 17th highest on Average Teacher Salary. Georgia has a very low cost of living (except inside the perimeter of Atlanta) and we are the next state from Walt Disney World.
 
Friendly Frog said:
I don't want to take this too far off topic, but the reason I don't think seniors should have to pay school taxes is because I think at some point enough is enough! Too many seniors have to give up their homes because they can't afford the property taxes after retirement. This will be worse in the future if they pull social security ( and few have any retirement anymore) .

BTW, I have no children and pay school tax, but at some point I think enough is enough.

I don't agree. Good schools are good for every one. They help keep property values high so when seniors sell they get the benefit. They help educate the future doctors, lawyers etc that te seniors may need.
In terms of "fairness" seniors helped pay for the education of their children. Should senior be exempt from paying taxes that in part go to maintain roads if they don't drive anymore?
 














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