Poly tower new association? Look like it

[Sandisw]

I think the fact that they go out of their way, a year later, to still refer to it as Poly Village Resort, and not associate it with PVB is a big deal, especially given how far along they are in construction.

Now thar we know that VDH is restricted, and it’s still on the table for DVD, it supports we will see this as new so those restrictions can be applied to it.

 

[pkrieger2287]

There is no declaration (rumor) that the tower will be a separate association. It quotes passages from the POS. It accurately points out that PVB is referenced by its full and complete name over and over again, while the tower is cited differently. It's another example of DVC choosing to not lump the tower in with PVB.

People are welcome to draw their own conclusions as to whether those facts are driven by carelessness, deliberate ambiguity, indecisiveness or something else entirely.

I think it's similar to people reading too much into the parking language with Villas at Disneyland Hotel or the price per point cost disclosure on all promotional material to guess the initial sales price for VDH.

If we start drawing conclusions from Disney's inconsistency in language, we're going to have quite a long list. Heck, they just recently wrote, "It all started with a mouse" on a statue in Disneyland, misquoting Walt Disney himself.

 

[pkrieger2287]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1654120425218260992

 

[AvidDisReader]

I have always contended that the new Tower will be in the same association as PVB. I really enjoy talking with Cast members. I do not look for inside information, they really do not have any. The must fun thing is hearing how they enjoy working with Disney and all the cool stuff that happens on a day to day basis. The one universal tidbit I have picked up over the years is how DVC has deeply regretted making Boulder Ridge and Copper Creek 2 different associations. The accounting and managing aspects are a nightmare. For instance, for some reason Boulder Ridge is short staffed in one area, but Copper Creek is not--2 different associations so cannot just reassign one person from Copper Creek to help out Boulder Ridge. That has always been why I believed Poly will be one Association. However, if the urge to continue and expand the resale restrictions takes precedent over all else, than yes there will be 2 associations. My opinion is when all is said and done, there will be one.

 

[jlnten17]

I have always contended that the new Tower will be in the same association as PVB. I really enjoy talking with Cast members. I do not look for inside information, they really do not have any. The must fun thing is hearing how they enjoy working with Disney and all the cool stuff that happens on a day to day basis. The one universal tidbit I have picked up over the years is how DVC has deeply regretted making Boulder Ridge and Copper Creek 2 different associations. The accounting and managing aspects are a nightmare. For instance, for some reason Boulder Ridge is short staffed in one area, but Copper Creek is not--2 different associations so cannot just reassign one person from Copper Creek to help out Boulder Ridge. That has always been why I believed Poly will be one Association. However, if the urge to continue and expand the resale restrictions takes precedent over all else, than yes there will be 2 associations. My opinion is when all is said and done, there will be one.

Interesting insight. I can see pros and cons to both. My desire to be able to continue to easily book PVB at 11 months out far outweighs any interest in the new tower, Riviera or any other so I am going to hope that the desire to restrict the resort outweighs the day to day scheduling. It would be an interesting study to see how the increase in additional direct sales due to restrictions compares to the added expense of a separate association.

 

[wnielsen1]

I have always contended that the new Tower will be in the same association as PVB. I really enjoy talking with Cast members. I do not look for inside information, they really do not have any. The must fun thing is hearing how they enjoy working with Disney and all the cool stuff that happens on a day to day basis. The one universal tidbit I have picked up over the years is how DVC has deeply regretted making Boulder Ridge and Copper Creek 2 different associations. The accounting and managing aspects are a nightmare. For instance, for some reason Boulder Ridge is short staffed in one area, but Copper Creek is not--2 different associations so cannot just reassign one person from Copper Creek to help out Boulder Ridge. That has always been why I believed Poly will be one Association. However, if the urge to continue and expand the resale restrictions takes precedent over all else, than yes there will be 2 associations. My opinion is when all is said and done, there will be one.

If there is one thing I have learned working for rather large companies it is this: senior decision makers do not care about administrative burdens. This will not factor in the decision at all.

 

[tom1944]

I have always contended that the new Tower will be in the same association as PVB. I really enjoy talking with Cast members. I do not look for inside information, they really do not have any. The must fun thing is hearing how they enjoy working with Disney and all the cool stuff that happens on a day to day basis. The one universal tidbit I have picked up over the years is how DVC has deeply regretted making Boulder Ridge and Copper Creek 2 different associations. The accounting and managing aspects are a nightmare. For instance, for some reason Boulder Ridge is short staffed in one area, but Copper Creek is not--2 different associations so cannot just reassign one person from Copper Creek to help out Boulder Ridge. That has always been why I believed Poly will be one Association. However, if the urge to continue and expand the resale restrictions takes precedent over all else, than yes there will be 2 associations. My opinion is when all is said and done, there will be one.

How is the staffing issues between 2 neighboring resorts any different than Beach Club and Boardwalk or SSR and OKW or BLT, Poly and GFA? All of them are neighbors and all are different associations. The distance of neighbors and staffing is not really going to differ because the resort distance might be 100 yards or a 1/4 mile.

 

[Sandisw]

I have always contended that the new Tower will be in the same association as PVB. I really enjoy talking with Cast members. I do not look for inside information, they really do not have any. The must fun thing is hearing how they enjoy working with Disney and all the cool stuff that happens on a day to day basis. The one universal tidbit I have picked up over the years is how DVC has deeply regretted making Boulder Ridge and Copper Creek 2 different associations. The accounting and managing aspects are a nightmare. For instance, for some reason Boulder Ridge is short staffed in one area, but Copper Creek is not--2 different associations so cannot just reassign one person from Copper Creek to help out Boulder Ridge. That has always been why I believed Poly will be one Association. However, if the urge to continue and expand the resale restrictions takes precedent over all else, than yes there will be 2 associations. My opinion is when all is said and done, there will be one.

Which positions are you talking about? We all contract with Disney to handle the property management so those decisions are made by them and not by the individual associations.

So, if CCV has staffing issue it is because Disney has chosen not to staff them correctly and nothing to do with the fact is not the same association as BRV.

 

[DonMacGregor]

Which positions are you talking about? We all contract with Disney to handle the property management so those decisions are made by them and not by the individual associations.

So, if CCV has staffing issue it is because Disney has chosen not to staff them correctly and nothing to do with the fact is not the same association as BRV.

I think the point trying to be made was that while the two resorts are located on the same property, they are run so separately and independently that even if you had a dozen housekeepers struck by the same flu all at once at BRV (not a staffing issue on Disney's part), even if they wanted to, they can't simply send some over from CCV. And that that might be an argument against the new tower at Poly, which is also situated on the same property as PVB, being in a separate association.

At least that's what I think they meant.

 

[DVCsloth]

I think the point trying to be made was that while the two resorts are located on the same property, they are run so separately and independently that even if you had a dozen housekeepers struck by the same flu all at once at BRV (not a staffing issue on Disney's part), even if they wanted to, they can't simply send some over from CCV. And that that might be an argument against the new tower at Poly, which is also situated on the same property as PVB, being in a separate association.

At least that's what I think they meant.

Good point, but couldn't they just bill their time to either association?

 

[DonMacGregor]

Good point, but couldn't they just bill their time to either association?

No clue. Just commenting on the post.

 

[DVCsloth]

No clue. Just commenting on the post.

Same here,

 

[Sandisw]

I think the point trying to be made was that while the two resorts are located on the same property, they are run so separately and independently that even if you had a dozen housekeepers struck by the same flu all at once at BRV (not a staffing issue on Disney's part), even if they wanted to, they can't simply send some over from CCV. And that that might be an argument against the new tower at Poly, which is also situated on the same property as PVB, being in a separate association.

At least that's what I think they meant.

There is nothing to prevent Disney from moving a housekeeper from one to another for a temporary shift change because those housekeepers are assigned to the location and not to BRV or CCV or WL.

So, while the housekeepers are assigned to specific resorts, if there is an issue, they can certainly be asked to go elsewhere that day, especially if it’s the same shared location.

While each association has their own contract with Disney to property management, it’s not that linear because all those employees are Disney employees and can be scheduled based on providing support.

 

[DonMacGregor]

There is nothing to prevent Disney from moving a housekeeper from one to another for a temporary shift change because those housekeepers are assigned to the location and not to BRV or CCV or WL.

So, while the housekeepers are assigned to specific resorts, if there is an issue, they can certainly be asked to go elsewhere that day, especially if it’s the same shared location.

Again, I was just "translating" the other post, I really don't have a dog in the fight (and I'm regretting dipping my toe in it now).

It read like you were addressing the staffing shortage and suggesting it would be on DVC's failure to staff accordingly, whereas the OP was saying that, regardless of WHY there was a staffing shortage at BRV, it couldn't be fixed by simply moving staff over because they are two separate resorts (their argument, not mine). It looked like you were arguing past each other.

 

[Sandisw]

Again, I was just "translating" the other post, I really don't have a dog in the fight (and I'm regretting dipping my toe in it now). The other poster was asserting that.

Just clarifying that what that person was asserting is not how it works

 

[musicman0725]

I read through the Multi-Site POS and the MS POS Insert (as well as the other VDH documents that were posted to the public offerings and additional documents section of the dvc site)

https://disneyvacationclub.disney.go.com/collateral-docs

The article "New Document Suggests Polynesian Tower Will Be Separate Association" interprets sections of the MS POS to imply the new Poly tower will be a new DVC association (and therefore a new component site). After reading the MS POS and the MS POS insert, I do not agree with that interpretation.

First, the section of the article that is quoted from the MS POS states "The proposed projects at Reflections- A Disney Lakeside Lodge and Disney’s Polynesian Village Resort in Florida are only possible component sites or accommodations which may never be built or added to the Disney Vacation Club multi site timeshare plan. Do not purchase an interest in a Disney Vacation Club Resort in reliance upon the addition of these component sites, any new resorts or accommodations." The article says that because Disney did not refer to this as Polynesian Villas and Bungalows (the name of the current Poly association), the new towers are likely to be a separate, new, association. However the statement in the POS says "are only possible component sites OR accommodations which may never be built OR added to the Disney Vacation Club". To me the first part of that statement refers to Reflections and the second part refers to adding additional accommodations onto the Poly resort. In other words, do not expect the new resort, Reflections, to be an additional component site and do not expect the new towers at the Polynesian resort to be additional DVC accommodations.

The article also says that no mention is made in the MS POS of the new Cabins at Fort Wilderness, yet they did not remove Reflections and refer to the Polynesian Resort rather than the name given to the Poly association (Polynesian Villas and Bungalows) in the rest of the MS POS. This is an interesting point, however, it doesn't lead me to believe that there would be separate association because of this distinction. Rather, the distinction is only there because the additional accommodations may or may not be added onto the Poly resort. All component sites are listed in a chart towards the middle of the MS POS (Section 14, page 21) with the name and a number (i.e. VDH is the 16h DVC resort). It was also stated by DVC that the new cabins at Ft Wilderness would be the 17th DVC resort. Although they are not in the MS POS, The Cabins at Ft Wilderness ARE mentioned in the MS POS Insert statement. It states they were added in April 2023 to the MS POS. The MS POS file name has May 2023 in the name, yet the document itself has 2/9/2023 as the revision date on the bottom of the first page. So the document we are reading was revised on 2/9/2023 and it was updated in April 2023 to include The Cabins at Ft Wilderness (in section II-A) as mentioned in the insert statement. In fact Ft Wilderness being announced as the 17th DVC site is the only recent news that has been announced which suggests the future of the Poly tower. The insert statement also includes the component chart found on page 21 of the MS POS with detailed resort information for anyone interested.

 

[DebbieB]

One hint is if they release floor plans. With the current having 360 studios, it doesn’t make sense to include many in the new one if it’s one association. If it’s similar mix to CC, it would seem more likely to be separate. So it seems that decision has to be already made.

 

[tom1944]

One hint is if they release floor plans. With the current having 360 studios, it doesn’t make sense to include many in the new one if it’s one association. If it’s similar mix to CC, it would seem more likely to be separate. So it seems that decision has to be already made.

It would make sense to have no studios if it is part of the existing association

 

[Sandisw]

It would make sense to have no studios if it is part of the existing association

They would have to do some studios to create the 2 bedroom lock off situation...and I don't think they would want a lot of dedicated 1 bedrooms.

But, I do agree that the floor plan and number of units would give us some more insight into what is happening....that is why I hope those who monitor permits report as soon as it shows up!

 

[tom1944]

They would have to do some studios to create the 2 bedroom lock off situation...and I don't think they would want a lot of dedicated 1 bedrooms.

But, I do agree that the floor plan and number of units would give us some more insight into what is happening....that is why I hope those who monitor permits report as soon as it shows up!

We will be down in August and will be passing it on the monorail as we go to the other resorts for dinner or breakfast. I wonder how much progress there will be by then?

August 17-24th. Which is still a year from opening.