Poly DVC expansion coming 2024!

[Cubbiefan1734]

It matters for me because I don’t want to stay at the current PVB. So, if I am going to buy at Poly tower, I want the best possible chance to get what I want at 11 months.

Im not interested in spending money to own if they decide to allow 6 million points to be eligible to compete for 2 million points worth of rooms.

Sure, not everyone owning PvB will book the new tower, and maybe getting something at 11 months won’t be an issue, but for us, if I am paying that much for tower stays, I want to compete only against those who own the tower.

If I can’t do that, it’s not worth it for me to own there…I’ll simply buy more RIV points and take my chances at 7 months because at that point, I won’t care as much if I don’t get it.

But, if I buy, and the studios at the tower are more popular than the current studios are, and I get shut out of the tower, then I wasted my money

I don't necessarily understand this logic. This is assuming that, if the same association, original poly 1 owners will only want to book poly 2 which I doubt is true. Also, I think there will be new buyers who will primarily want studios, of which poly 1 has a lot.
If they are different associations, yes you will be competing with less people, but you'll also be competing for a lesser amount of rooms. The level of competition will stay relatively the same either way, because after all, its a timeshare.

 

[Sandisw]

If you're going for a 1br - I think you would be fine either way, Based on the location, I think any studio in the tower will be smaller than PVB or RiV. There is simply not much room unless they are going to go with only one side of the building having rooms.

Might be fine, but the chances are greater that I could struggle if it’s all one vs a new association.

It’s the whole buy where you want to stay and since PvB is not where I want to stay or own, Poly tower is only of interest to me to own there if its a new association….

Its like BPK…I would not have bought there if it was a new association because I wanted access to the original villas…so, for VGF, it worked in my favor to keep it one…for Poly tower it works in my favor to keep it separate.

 

[Sandisw]

I don't necessarily understand this logic. This is assuming that, if the same association, original poly 1 owners will only want to book poly 2 which I doubt is true. Also, I think there will be new buyers who will primarily want studios, of which poly 1 has a lot.
If they are different associations, yes you will be competing with less people, but you'll also be competing for a lesser amount of rooms. The level of competition will stay relatively the same either way, because after all, its a timeshare.

Yes, I will be competing for less rooms if it’s a new assocation but that is the whole point because the current rooms are of no interest to me,

As I said, I know not everyone who owns PVB will want to stay at the tower, but some will and it’s that some that could reduce my chances and if I am spending over $25k for something, I want it to be what I want it to be,

Poly tower interests me…PVB does not. But I do agree that for anyone who would be happy or content staying in either set up, it doesn’t matter.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Other than a few particular times during the year and particular very small room categories there's still little or no issue booking at 11 months. That is unlikely to be a concern at PVB either IMO. Myself, unless the new studios have some standout feature I'd believe I'd want the existing studio rooms. They are large, great layout and the location to the TTC is a bonus for me vs being between Poly and GF.

 

[hcortesis]

I still don't understand this logic

It matters for me because I don’t want to stay at the current PVB. So, if I am going to buy at Poly tower, I want the best possible chance to get what I want at 11 months.

This is the logic.

 

[Jlo85]

IIf they are different associations, yes you will be competing with less people, but you'll also be competing for a lesser amount of rooms.

Partly why I think it’ll be the same association is just how small the footprint is. Do we really think Disney would make a standalone resort that small? I’m just really skeptical.

My 2 cents is that Disney is building the tower to fix underlying issues with Poly. Namely, the lack of room variety. Also, that Poly doesn’t have its own DVC pool. Uplifting the Poly resort as a whole, to me, seems like it will have better profit potential for Disney long-term.

And I also don’t think Disney has to worry about Poly selling-out regardless of what they do. Riviera was more of an unknown quantity, so it made more sense that resale competition was a concern.

 

[Sandisw]

Partly why I think it’ll be the same association is just how small the footprint is. Do we really think Disney would make a standalone resort that small? I’m just really skeptical.

My 2 cents is that Disney is building the tower to fix underlying issues with Poly. Namely, the lack of room variety. Also, that Poly doesn’t have its own DVC pool. Uplifting the Poly resort as a whole, to me, seems like it will have better profit potential for Disney long-term.

And I also don’t think Disney has to worry about Poly selling-out regardless of what they do. Riviera was more of an unknown quantity, so it made more sense that resale competition was a concern.

They built VGF that size and it sold. I think the number of rooms at CCV is also comparable to what this will have..minus the cabins

So, I’m not convinced that it’s size will be an issue for being new.

Now, it is possible its the same to correct what PVB currently has.

In terms of pools, VGF doesn’t have its own pool.

In terms of resale, the goal of restrictions, as has been mentioned was not about one resort…it was about making the resale product an inferior product so more people buy direct.

It didn’t start with the restrictions either. It started in 2012 with changes to trading..granted that was no big loss..in 2016 with the loss to membership extras..not a critical loss..and then restrictions in 2019.

Definitely one can make a case either way at this point.

But Poly tower will sell well regardless so on that we definitely agree!

 

[SLThomas318]

At what point in the process do they usually release layouts/number of villas? Based on the site pictures is this smaller or the same size as the org VGF?

 

[Jlo85]

They built VGF that size and it sold. I think the number of rooms at CCV is also comparable to what this will have..minus the cabins!

Though VGF was a similar situation. Studio expansions to round-out the other villas. They could have done BPK with restrictions and didn’t. But we will see…

 

[Sandisw]

At what point in the process do they usually release layouts/number of villas? Based on the site pictures is this smaller or the same size as the org VGF?

The original VGF has 100 rooms but because of lock off could be 147. CCV is around 185 with 220 total…that includes cabins.

The estimate for Poly tower should be 200 to 250… I think they have to reveal that info when they submit plans for the building… but not sure.

https://dvcnews.com/resorts/polynesian/news/5255-early-look-at-polynesian-villas-expansion

 

[Sandisw]

Though VGF was a similar situation. Studio expansions to round-out the other villas. They could have done BPK with restrictions and didn’t. But we will see…

The conversion of BPK was not to round out VGF.. It was a quick flip and it could have been easier to roll it in. Plus a new association as a studio only resort may not have sold as well

It gave them something else to sell besides RIV to fill the time until VDH and Poly tower starts.

But, they do use the larger units to sell BPK. Poly tower will be the opposite. It will include all room types…based on the pictures…so the degree to which they need PVB to market the tower isn’t quite the same…

It all comes down to those restrictions and whether or not they want to keep them in place anymore. Beyond that, pros and cons to both.

ETA. You might even say that the addition of 202 studios to VGF has made a resort that was difficult to get into unless you owned there, especially for studios, less valuable if 7 month bookings become easier than before.

Lots of VGF owners have not been happy with this change.

 

[KimMcGowan]

IMO, what Poly Tower does or does not add to existing PVB members is not particularly important.

IMO, what helps sell Poly Tower points is important.

Does making Poly Tower "exclusive" help sell Poly Tower points?

Or ...

Does being able to book the existing PVB Studios and Bungalows at 11 months help sell Poly Tower points?

I 100% agree with this. Disney doesn’t have to worry about selling the Polynesian. It would sell if they used rope to parcel out spots on the beach and sold them as DVC Sleep on the Sand (Castle View) units.
So, IMO the selling aspect is not something Disney is even considering. They are only deciding if they can do restrictions at the new tower and get all buyers (new and existing) to buy points.

 

[tidefan]

Might be fine, but the chances are greater that I could struggle if it’s all one vs a new association.

It’s the whole buy where you want to stay and since PvB is not where I want to stay or own, Poly tower is only of interest to me to own there if its a new association….

Its like BPK…I would not have bought there if it was a new association because I wanted access to the original villas…so, for VGF, it worked in my favor to keep it one…for Poly tower it works in my favor to keep it separate.

This is what is making a lot of VGF1 owners unhappy. The fact they rolled all of the hotel rooms into the new association will create more competition for the original VGF1 rooms. I have no interest in the hotel rooms.

The conversion of BPK was not to round out VGF.. It was a quick flip and it could have been easier to roll it in. Plus a new association as a studio only resort may not have sold as well

It gave them something else to sell besides RIV to fill the time until VDH and Poly tower starts.

But, they do use the larger units to sell BPK. Poly tower will be the opposite. It will include all room types…based on the pictures…so the degree to which they need PVB to market the tower isn’t quite the same…

It all comes down to those restrictions and whether or not they want to keep them in place anymore. Beyond that, pros and cons to both.

ETA. You might even say that the addition of 202 studios to VGF has made a resort that was difficult to get into unless you owned there, especially for studios, less valuable if 7 month bookings become easier than before.

Lots of VGF owners have not been happy with this change.

Yep. I am one of them. And I have expressed this to DVC people multiple times and they have said I am not the only one they have heard this from.

Look, I have no problem with the BPK flip. But let people buy into that, not into what I already owned.

 

[lovethesun12]

But if they were going to do that, then VGF2 would have had to have been a separate Condo Association (which it probably should have been).

It doesn't really make sense to make it a new association as they are just retrofitting an existing building. This has been talked about in a few other threads at length.

The new Disneyland Tower and the Poly Tower are new construction all together so if they continue the restrictions, as Riviera was the break in DVC resorts (think Legacy resorts verse next gen), it would make sense. The only way we will know for sure is when Disneyland Tower goes on sale.

I do recognize this has been discussed at length, and can understand the reasoning why people think VGF2 had to be the same association but not poly2.

That said, if VGF2 tells us anything, it's that Disney is not a hard yes on them and will make the decision that they think will work best for them. I'm not sure on their exact reasoning on VGF2 or RIV, I just think there is a strong possibility it goes either way which is why there's so much debate on it.

We definitely need more poly points for longer stays. The same association works better for me for this reason. That wouldn't have been the case for anyone buying direct into RIV, but it's a possible case for 6 million points already owned at poly.

 

[Jlo85]

I just think there is a strong possibility it goes either way which is why there's so much debate on it.

I agree. I think it's mostly if you think resale restrictions intend to get more people to buy direct, 1) I'm not sure Poly needs it and 2) You could argue that Riviera direct sales were hurt by them.

But if you think resale restrictions are a more cynical way to cool the resale market as a whole to make ROFR cheaper and foreclosures more common, then it does make sense that they're here to stay. Though, as you said they could have done the same thing with VGF2, and Disney's competitors have definitely been more aggressive in making it harder to resell timeshare contracts. But who knows...

 

[TraderStitch]

After talking to a few owners of Poly, something they wish they did have was more room options.... namely a 1 bedroom.

If Poly Tower is put into the same association you are probably going to get the same result as VGF and VGF2 but in reverse. Original members will be thrilled, and new members will be happy at first but slowly realize OG Poly owners will be going after their rooms.

Disney is in a great situation either way as they know it will sell, however, I still think it will be a new association.

 

[SLThomas318]

I do recognize this has been discussed at length, and can understand the reasoning why people think VGF2 had to be the same association but not poly2.

That said, if VGF2 tells us anything, it's that Disney is not a hard yes on them and will make the decision that they think will work best for them. I'm not sure on their exact reasoning on VGF2 or RIV, I just think there is a strong possibility it goes either way which is why there's so much debate on it.

We definitely need more poly points for longer stays. The same association works better for me for this reason. That wouldn't have been the case for anyone buying direct into RIV, but it's a possible case for 6 million points already owned at poly.

Agree with this point.. I'm sure there are plenty of current poly owners who would add on if it's the same association. If it's new, why bother? I'm not going to go thru the headache of selling my "old" poly points to buy new ones and I'm not in a position to buy enough points at the tower on top of what I already own. I like the current poly rooms. If I like what the tower has to offer then I would consider an add-on to compliment my current points if I can use everything together. If I can't use what I already have 'till 7 months, then I'll just wait and take my chances at 7 months. And yes the owners of the 6 million poly points can just go buy resale, but how many do? We know about the resale market, but still find adding on direct to be easiest (especially since we already own and like to do small point contracts).

Also agree that the Poly should sell well no matter what they decide to do.

 

[Frugal Fairy Tales]

I don’t either. I’m a current poly owner (direct) and we did a couple small add-ons because we love the vibe and the larger studios. I would expect the tower to be pretty point heavy so I don’t know how far many current owners points are really going to go if they do make it the same. Someone also commented earlier that based on the cleared space it looks like it’s going to be a small addition. I could see the studios in the tower being a problem (as low point studios at any resort tend to be a problem), but I wouldn’t expect larger units to be an issue. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

My prediction is the new Poly tower will have smaller studios than current Poly but for the same or, more likely, MORE points. That would differentiate the studios even if in the same association. I can’t foresee Poly owners having a problem booking at 11 months under any scenario. The sky is not falling.

Might be fine, but the chances are greater that I could struggle if it’s all one vs a new association.

It’s the whole buy where you want to stay and since PvB is not where I want to stay or own, Poly tower is only of interest to me to own there if its a new association….

Its like BPK…I would not have bought there if it was a new association because I wanted access to the original villas…so, for VGF, it worked in my favor to keep it one…for Poly tower it works in my favor to keep it separate.

Allow me to put your mind at ease... We own direct and resale points at Poly and if the new Poly tower is the same association I am still a fan of the current Poly studios and their particular location and that is why we own there. We love the size, split bath situation, and location of the existing Poly studios with excellent MK access and near the TTC for Epcot access, as well as the overall location within the Polynesian resort close to the quiet pool, buses, and all of the transportation, dining, etc. In my opinion these are the best-situated DVC studios on property, with the very best location to access everything WDW has to offer without having to change resorts during our vacation. And they have the most square footage to boot! I am sure the new Poly studios will be very nice (obviously new is wonderful) but I don't expect them to be as large or have the layout like the existing studios which are the way they are because they are using the dimensions of a 1970s hotel room size. Might we want to try out the new Poly studios? Maybe. Might we want to try larger rooms at the new Poly tower occasionally? Maybe. We do enjoy staying at all DVC resorts. But I will always consider the original DVC Poly studios to have a superior location. As with most real estate, the best locations get built on first. We love the existing DVC Poly studios. Location, Location, Location. So even though you already deem the new studios and the new Poly tower to be superior to existing Poly (which is fine), not everyone else will necessarily see it that way and be competing with you for studios. I am not eager to overlook the wedding pavilion, have a longer walk to the monorail, have a longer walk to the TTC, etc. There are pros and cons to both locations, but I still say the original DVC Poly studios' location is THE BEST at WDW Something for everyone.

 

[Sandisw]

My prediction is the new Poly tower will have smaller studios than current Poly but for the same or, more likely, MORE points. That would differentiate the studios even if in the same association. I can’t foresee Poly owners having a problem booking at 11 months under any scenario. The sky is not falling.

Allow me to put your mind at ease... We own direct and resale points at Poly and if the new Poly tower is the same association I am still a fan of the current Poly studios and their particular location and that is why we own there. We love the size, split bath situation, and location of the existing Poly studios with excellent MK access and near the TTC for Epcot access, as well as the overall location within the Polynesian resort close to the quiet pool, buses, and all of the transportation, dining, etc. In my opinion these are the best-situated DVC studios on property, with the very best location to access everything WDW has to offer without having to change resorts during our vacation. And they have the most square footage to boot! I am sure the new Poly studios will be very nice (obviously new is wonderful) but I don't expect them to be as large or have the layout like the existing studios which are the way they are because they are using the dimensions of a 1970s hotel room size. Might we want to try out the new Poly studios? Maybe. Might we want to try larger rooms at the new Poly tower occasionally? Maybe. We do enjoy staying at all DVC resorts. But I will always consider the original DVC Poly studios to have a superior location. As with most real estate, the best locations get built on first. We love the existing DVC Poly studios. Location, Location, Location. So even though you already deem the new studios and the new Poly tower to be superior to existing Poly (which is fine), not everyone else will necessarily see it that way and be competing with you for studios. I am not eager to overlook the wedding pavilion, have a longer walk to the monorail, have a longer walk to the TTC, etc. There are pros and cons to both locations, but I still say the original DVC Poly studios' location is THE BEST at WDW Something for everyone.

That is awesome that you love what you own!

I have stayed at PVB and simply don’t like it. I like the concept of the tower with all in one building which is why RIV is top of my list.

So, for me, PVB is not a resort I want to own. Simple as that.

Even if the chances are small I could have difficulty, it’s a waste of money for me to choose Poly tower if it’s part of PVB.


I know I would have regrets buying if it’s all one because there are still lots of points attached to rooms that I currently don’t book.

In the end, people choose the resort to own that they want to stay. I want to stay at Poly tower but not PVB.

So, I am all for a new association because if it is, I will own there. If not, I’ll choose something else I like better

Really no need for me to keep explainin. It’s the same reason I don’t own AKV. It’s beautiful but I don’t want to be there..yet some people love it and it’s too for them

 

[Frugal Fairy Tales]

That is awesome that you love what you own!

I have stayed at PVB and simply don’t like it. I like the concept of the tower with all in one building which is why RIV is top of my list.

So, for me, PVB is not a resort I want to own. Simple as that.

Even if the chances are small I could have difficulty, it’s a waste of money for me to choose Poly tower if it’s part of PVB.


I know I would have regrets buying if it’s all one because there are still lots of points attached to rooms that I currently don’t book.

In the end, people choose the resort to own that they want to stay. I want to stay at Poly tower but not PVB.

So, I am all for a new association because if it is, I will own there. If not, I’ll choose something else I like better

Really no need for me to keep explainin. It’s the same reason I don’t own AKV. It’s beautiful but I don’t want to be there..yet some people love it and it’s too for