Political Debate: Should Bush drop Cheney

[Galahad]

Why do so many Democrats think he should step down if the premise is that it would help the President?

 

[faithinkarma]

Originally posted by Galahad
Why do so many Democrats think he should step down if the premise is that it would help the President?

you kidding? Cheney stepping down is my worst nightmare. oops......did I just give out classified info?

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by Galahad
Why do so many Democrats think he should step down if the premise is that it would help the President?

I'm with faith, and I stated as much earlier...I think keeping him hurts the ticket, so I'm all for it.

That said, should Bush WIN, then I will certainly wish he'd picked a different VP for one simple reason. Should anything happen to Dubya, I don't know that I'd want to live in a country run by Dick Cheney (always assuming I'm not already ).

 

[peachgirl]

Originally posted by Galahad
Why do so many Democrats think he should step down if the premise is that it would help the President?

I think he "should" because I think he'd be a horrid President. I also don't think that anyone with his health issues has any business being VP. Of course, I don't want him to because I think it makes it that much easier for Kerry to win the election.

I do think if he is dumped, the story will have to be that he did it voluntarily. No matter the reason, Bush has locked himself into keeping him. If I was putting money on it, I'd bet Cheney will fall on his sword by September.

Do you have any other reports of it laying around? I'll agree about the sarcastic smartass. Lots of politicians are sarcastic smartasses.

No links, just the impression I have from watching him during speeches and interview. Sarcastic, smartass, surly, tempermental and mean spirited...that's my impression of him.

Lots of politicians are sarcastic smartasses, but Edwards isn't. Much like the Kennedy/Nixon debates....when you see two such extreme personalites side by side, it really makes the negative personality stand out.

The Republicans got their nightmare come true with Edwards and I'm afraid the Dem's are going to get theirs.....Although, Bush has to keep that base happy so he can't get too moderate with a replacement.

Condi Rice

Never going to happen....the base would never go for it.

 

[Galahad]

Never going to happen....the base would never go for it.

I disagree. The base aren't, IMO, primarily a bunch of bigots and are probably getting pretty tired of being considered so. They would jump at the chance to support Dr. Rice as evidence to the contrary.

Who is the base, I guess is the question? I thought that since I am primarily a Republican in my voting that I'd be considered part of the "base". Race and gender have never gone into my thinking with respect to who can do what and I'd say I'm the norm. Who do you think "the base" is?

 

[Galahad]

Originally posted by wvrevy
I'm with faith, and I stated as much earlier...I think keeping him hurts the ticket, so I'm all for it.

Fair enough, but I've not heard any Republicans that think he should leave the ticket, only Democrats and the press (oops.....perhaps that was redundant....).

 

[caitycaity]

remember....Kerry......Edwards.....Obama !!!!!!

but I've not heard any Republicans that think he should leave the ticket

get thee to washington. i will show you plenty of republicans who think he should have "health problems".

 

[peachgirl]

Who do you think "the base" is?

I believe the vast majority of the Republican base are white, more men that women, ultra conservative and part of the religious right. I believe many of them tend to be single issue voters.

They're not the type to accept change easily. I was actually referring to the fact that she was a woman, not her race.

Of course, there are those who consistently vote Republican that don't fit that description, but enough do that he couldn't afford to alienate them.

As far as who's talking about Cheney being dumped...I've seen many interviews on tv the last few days of Republicans who think it would be best if he weren't there. They want him gone, they just don't know how to do it nicely.....

 

[faithinkarma]

They want him gone, they just don't know how to do it nicely

I disagree...I believe they just don't know how to do it without political fall out.

 

[Lanshark]

Define ultra conservative and religious right. You've got Republicans painted into an extreme corner don't you?

 

[palmtreegirl]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/15/cheney.ap/index.html

Cheney responds to the rumors.

 

[Lanshark]

Actually, I'll answer my own question

Statistically, you're more likely to be a Republican and/or conservative if you're:

a man
a college graduate
in the top income bracket
an evangelical Christian
living in a rural area
a Thinker-Sensor
Statistically, you're more likely to be a Democrat and/or liberal if you're:

a woman
a senior citizen
gay
nonwhite
living in an urban area
a Feeler-Intuitor

 

[hrh_disney_queen]

Originally posted by jrydberg
VP isn't the most powerful of positions.

But it's only a heartbeat away from THE most powerful of positions...

 

[ThreeCircles]

 

[peachgirl]

Originally posted by faithinkarma
I disagree...I believe they just don't know how to do it without political fall out.

That's what I meant by....nicely

Define ultra conservative and religious right. You've got Republicans painted into an extreme corner don't you?

No, I don't have them painted in a corner. I was pretty clear in my post as to what portion of Republicans I was talking about, and they have painted themselves in a corner, not me.


For starters....I think that the only difference between the views of ultra conservatives and the religious right is that the religious right base their views on religious convictions. I don't know what ultra conservatives who aren't extremely religious base theirs on.

A short answer on the definition of ultra conservative...generally believe what most conservatives believe...pro life, less taxation, less social programs, anti-gun legislation....only they are much more extreme in their views.

For example...If you're pro choice or have an abortion, you're a murderer. If you think that we should help the poor, you're a socialist.....

 

[las3888]

I agree with the other poster who said it is the press and the Democrats who won't let this story die about Cheney dropping out...

I also agree with the poster that I am amazed at what the other side of the aisle thinks at times...really amazed...

Again, I give Bush kudos for not waffling like Kerry as far as changing his mind and his posture every other day based on what the polls tell us. Many people talk on this post as if the Republicans are just scrambling over this - it isn't the Republicans who brought this up, nor are they losing any sleep over this - this is a liberal media thing yet again.

Also, to the poster who is really painting the Republicans into a box by calling them typically men, ultra conservative Christians, etc., you are really generalizing. Remember that approx. half of this country is conservative and the other half liberal...it can't be that almost all men are Republican and almost all the liberals are women. I know you are not saying everybody fits this bill, but your comments are somewhat extreme. I am none of those things you mentioned, nor are many of my friends and associates who are conservative thinkers, and I don't think I am highly unusual at that.

 

[jrydberg]

Originally posted by hrh_disney_queen
But it's only a heartbeat away from THE most powerful of positions...

My point being if one accepts the premise that Cheney is an integral part of the administration and shouldn't be cut loose, why not put him in a position where he does have more power yet doesn't have the political baggage?

 

[peachgirl]

Also, to the poster who is really painting the Republicans into a box by calling them typically men, ultra conservative Christians, etc., you are really generalizing. Remember that approx. half of this country is conservative and the other half liberal...it can't be that almost all men are Republican and almost all the liberals are women. I know you are not saying everybody fits this bill, but your comments are somewhat extreme.

Really?

It was a fellow conservative that posted this:
Statistically....
Republican:
a man
a college graduate
in the top income bracket
an evangelical Christian
living in a rural area
a Thinker-Sensor

Democrat:
a woman
a senior citizen
gay
nonwhite
living in an urban area
a Feeler-Intuitor


You want to tell me why my comments were extreme, but these aren't? Or perhaps you aren't directing your comments towards me???

almost all men are Republican and almost all the liberals are women.

You must not be talking to me, because I didn't say that. I say the majority of the "base" is made up of men....not that almost all men are Republican. I never said almost all liberals are women either...


Btw, I don't fit the above mold. Most definitely Democrat but I fit 4 of the Republican "qualifications" and only one of the Democrat.




So, looks like I'm not an inner city, older, ignorant, black, lesbian woman who's all touchy feely , yet I'm a very dedicated Democrat...go figure.....

And you want to take offense at my comments?

it isn't the Republicans who brought this up, nor are they losing any sleep over this - this is a liberal media thing yet again.

Well unless you consider Faux News "liberal media", it's not just the Dem's and it's not a liberal media "thing"...

While Cheney is strongly supported by the GOP's conservative base, some Republicans have quietly suggested that he should be replaced. He has had four heart attacks and his approval ratings have plummeted amid persistent questions about his role in promoting the Iraq war and in handling the Sept. 11 terror attacks.

Of course the Republicans are talking quietly, behind the scenes. They couldn't exactly scream to the rafters that they were wanting to cut Cheney loose. None the less, former Sen. Alfonse D'Amato has come out publicly calling for Bush to dump Cheney, not exactly a bastion of liberalism.

 

[Galahad]

Originally posted by caitycaity
get thee to washington.

No thanks....done that.....don't want to do it again.....

 

[shortbun]

Gallahad-you "amaze" me too! All the time, in fact.


The "base". My Dad's part of the base. Rich, white,racist,
homophobic, male. He freely uses the BIG words when he
thinks he's among friends....the N word, "queers" AND MORE!
Condoleeza on the ticket? He'd ask for a refund-LOL!
He somehow convinced himself she was Ok because she was
an expert on Russia-even though he knew the cold war was
over he still thought it a good idea to have an expert on Russia
in her cabinet seat-geesh! Besides, she makes the party and
the admin look balanced. Colin Powell was ok because he's obviously barely black. I'm not kidding folks! It's a good thing
I grew up in the 50's when Dad's contribution to child rearing was...bringing home the gin for cocktails and watching cartoons
with us on Saturday morning while we ate cold pizza and M&M's
for breakfast. These days with no kids around to watch cartoons,
he simply counts his money-really, ask my mom!