Point and Laugh At Protestors

[Darian]

Oh WillyJ, say it ain't so...

"Nice to see you "good Americans" bullying a teenage girl from England. . .

Well I'm back- lets see how you like dealing with a grown man. ."

Bullying? Hardly. But Mermaid02 has already covered that. But instead of answering the main question of this thread - (nicely sumarized by Mermaid02 by the way) you simply change the subject.

So, far none of the peaceniks on the board have been able to come up with any viable alternative to removing Sadam by military means. Perhaps "a grown man" could? I would really like to know.

I believe it is the duty of every American to understand the points of views held by others. That understanding provides an avenue of dialog, a means of connection. And though we may have different points of view we can disagree cordially and have a certain amount of "community."

On a personal note, I have been very disturbed by the actions of so-called "peace" protesters because their actions (at least to me) were not "pro peace" at all, but by default, pro evil, pro tyranny and anti -freedom in support of the status quo in Iraq and elsewhere.

People must have reasons to believe what they believe. They cannot rely on emotion or feelings if they don't wish to become lemmings and sheep, easily manipulated and controlled by propaganda. Most posters recognize that and want to understand the points of view of others by hearing the reasons others believe what they do. The only response has been "deep" statements like "Bush is bad." Hardly convincing.

Darian

 

[Kilted_Yank]

So much to say...

I won't bother with much that has been said, as it is the same stuff rehashed and rehased... let's just remember the point of the war in the first place: To rid Iraq of it's weapons of mass destruction. Remember those? The one that Mr Bush swears Iraq has? The ones he never showed us proof of? The one's we haven't seen any of yet?

Despite the clever moniker, this war wasn't about the liberation of Iraq, and it wasn't about brutal dictators, there are more important places that pose bigger military threats to the United States that we should have gone into action against.

Saddam was a bad guy. The world is a better place without him. Too bad we couldn't get Ariel Sharon at the same time.

Regarding the original point about peace protestors. I have been at quite a few of the demonstrations that have been and are taking place in Washington, DC. I have been there as part of the large and expensive police presence. While deploring some of the methods used by the demonstrators, I still believe that it is their Constitutional right to disagree and to demonstrate peacefully to seek redress of ggrievance form our government.

Those demonstrators weren't necessarily wrong, just because Saddam was a bad guy.

I am still personally unconvinced that this war had any legal or moral justification, while we continue to ignore tyrants and dictators just because they happen to be useful to us at the moment.

Have a nice day, all!

 

[Grog]

let's just remember the point of the war in the first place: To rid Iraq of it's weapons of mass destruction. remember those? The one? that Mr Bush swears Iaq has? The ones he never showed us proof of? The one's we haven't seen any of yet?

A question I asked in another thread... Why is it OK for the UN to take as much time as they want to find WMD, yet we have to find them yesterday?

 

[Kilted_Yank]

Originally posted by Grog
A question I asked in another thread... Why is it OK for the UN to take as much time as they want to find WMD, yet we have to find them yesterday?

A valid question. My answer is this: Mr Bush told us that we had evidence of these weapons months before we started shooting. I don't think it is unreasonable to say: "Show me"

I know that there are probably intelligence sources we don't want to reveal, but I think that before we squander the national treasure, and send our fighting men off to war, we should know why. We should also have have full confidence that our leaders are doing the right thing. I just don't see this instance as supporting that.

 

[Grog]

Mr Bush told us that we had evidence of these weapons months before we started shooting. I don't think it is unreasonable to say: "Show me"

No it's not unreasonable to ask, but it might be considered unreasonable (not directed at you personally Kilted _Yank) to not give the troops time to find the stuff. While we might have evidence, the evidence might not show exactly where the WMD are located, or, depending on how old the evidence is, the new locations of the WMD. Iraq is full of caves and wadis where anything could be hidden or buried. The UN inspectors went to the most logical places such as factories, labs, warehouses. Saddam may have been crazy but that doesn't make him stupid. I'm sure he did a very thorough job of hiding his WMD. Time will tell. At least in this case we can look ANYWHERE and not be hamstrung by the regime the way the UN inspectors were.

 

[Geoff_M]

The US has tagged over 2,000 sites for investigation. We have had control over most of the country for about a week now. People complained that Blix & Co. needed more time after being there over 4 months. The Pentagon also wants to wait for the final reports to come in instead of prematurely announcing "smoking guns" like the media has done. Things will come out in good time everyone.

 

[Keli]

Haven't we already found some missiles that tested positve for chemical weapons in the field? Although final testing does need to be done wouldn't those missiles be considered WMD? It sounds like to me we've already found some WMD but we're just doing more testing before making it official.

 

[kbeverina]

It's not the responsibility of our soldiers to look for potentially deadly materials. Once the area is secure, we have special teams that are trained for this to go in and examine the sites.

 

[kbeverina]

Originally posted by WillyJ
Nice to see you "good Americans" bullying a teenage girl from England. . .

Well I'm back- lets see how you like dealing with a grown man. .



So, you people who slammed this girl for daring to voice a negative opinion without having a well thought out solution to this issue. . .

Are you talking about this thread?

 

[disneefamily]

Disnee dad Says..............................Ya, I slammed her hard when I asked her to come with just a couple facts, and that all us old folk would gush at how knowledgeable she was. I slammed her hard when I said don't feel bad you don't have the answer, BECAUSE NOT ONE PERSON ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH FOR TWELVE YEARS HAS COME UP WITH AN ANSWER.
Just one question for the antipeace people out there who think they are for peace, Why is it the hundreds of civilians killed by the coalition in an attempt to free the people seem to be worth billions, while the same innocent people killed by the tens of thousands per year, seem to have a value of ZERO, as long as Sadman does it and not us?
Once again war is peace, and peace is ever lasting war.