Plus size model on Sports Illustrated cover unhealthy?

If she is 5'10" and weighs 180 that makes her BMI 25.8 - 25 is "overweight" If she loses 10 pounds her BMI goes to 24.4 which is in the normal/healthy range... I find it troubling that people are considering a fashion model who is only 10 pounds heavier than a "healthy" BMI ... FAT. I would argue that most fashion models are in fact unhealthy because they are underweight... very often EXTREMELY underweight.
 
I just ran the numbers. Ashley's BMI, based on the posted measurements of 5'9" and 170lbs, is 25.1. The "overweight" category starts with a BMI of 25. Cheryl Tiegs, at 5'10 and 128lbs, has a BMI of 18.4. Anything below 18.5 is considered "underweight" so who is she to comment on what a healthy weight really is? (values are from bodymeasurements.org)

You know, everything is a range, and every body is different. My guess is that someone who is toned and strong at 5'9" and 170 pounds is far healthier than a couch potato of the same height and weight. Look at the number of heavy people who have perfectly acceptable cholesterol, blood sugar, blood pressure, etc., numbers. I'm sure there are just as many thin people with terrible blood work. I think we get far too hung up on the numbers. Everyone has a different metabolism, and all the comments about what weights make you predisposed to certain diseases are based on ranges, averages. There are ALWAYS outliers in any statistical study, especially medically-related ones, because everyone is different. It's pathetic that a woman like Ashley is thought of as fat. LOOK at her picture! She is strong and beautiful- what's wrong with that?
 
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Size 18:hyper2: Gasp! Pearl Clutch! Hand Wring! I am concerned about her health. So very concerned. AKA--A size 18 should hide in her Troll Hole and not emerge until she is a size 8.

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Interestingly enough, Ashley Graham also thinks that size 18 is too big.

Graham was once a size 18, but admits to feeling healthier now. “True, I didn’t like my body when I gained a lot of weight. I was trying to like it — when you are plus size, you have to embrace your curves and accept your rolls. I have rolls now and I won’t airbrush them out on Instagram, but I was unhealthy then. I could feel it in my skin.”

http://stylenews.peoplestylewatch.com/2015/01/13/plus-size-model-ashley-graham-the-edit/
 

She IS an ex supermodel - most famous for SI Swimsuit edition :)

Edit: Interestingly enough, SI broke another mold when they featured Tiegs in their swimsuit edition when she was 41 years old.

Eh, she's probably just PO'd that SI rejected the photos of her 68 year old body in a swimsuit for both the cover and the pages within.
 
Eh, she's probably just PO'd that SI rejected the photos of her 68 year old body in a swimsuit for both the cover and the pages within.

We think alike! I heard Tiegs in an interview many years ago and she was talking about the grueling work to keep her body "model perfect". It's probably a slap in her face that someone who doesn't adhere to her grueling exercise regimen or starve herself can be considered for a magazine cover. Just not fair! :mad:
 
I haven't denied that being overweight can lead to health problems. I deny that fat acceptance, particularly showing an overweight woman in a bathing suit, outdoors (not eating oreos) will make everyone fatter.
Was that not Tieg's argument? Accepting fat PEOPLE will make us a fatter society?
Accepting underweight, heroine addict supermodels as the norm didn't make us thinner.
 
I haven't denied that being overweight can lead to health problems. I deny that fat acceptance, particularly showing an overweight woman in a bathing suit, outdoors (not eating oreos) will make everyone fatter.
Was that not Tieg's argument? Accepting fat PEOPLE will make us a fatter society?
Accepting underweight, heroine addict supermodels as the norm didn't make us thinner.

Under weight heroin addict supermodels are not causing an epidemic though. Obesity is an epidemic of major proportions. Show me an American model that is famous right now that is under weight and a heroin addict.
 
This ain't the cover of Women's Health magazine. Plenty of athletes are overweight. (I don't know if this cover model is an athlete).
 
Under weight heroin addict supermodels are not causing an epidemic though. Obesity is an epidemic of major proportions. Show me an American model that is famous right now that is under weight and a heroin addict.


And didn't "they" state that under weight, heroin addict looking models were contributing to eating disorders? Constant images in the media have an effect on the psyche. No, I don't for a moment believe that an image like Ashley is going to make everyone think it's okay to be heavier. But there is an issue of fat acceptance out there. By fat acceptance, I strictly mean the way we see bodies in our mind as being of a normal size. Throw out any comparisons to the BMI because from day 1 that chart was just ridiculous.

I'm betting any of the older DISers on here (and I am 52) sort of know what I'm talking about. For instance, when I was in elementary school there were very few overweight children. So few, that when there was one everyone knew, without even mentioning it, who that one kid was. I'm sure that child had a horrible time of it. I remember in my 2nd grade class we had one girl who we all considered "fat." When I go back and look at my class picture today, she looks like a totally normal child by today's standards. Wouldn't hit anyone's radar today.

My aunt has had a lifelong problem with weight. Back in the 60s, she was the heaviest person we knew. Not sure what her weight was at the time. But when we were watching some old movies from 1965 and she was in them, I couldn't believe it. She looked like your average mom of two young children by today's standards. Yes, she looked a little "fluffy" as we like to say on the DIS but, again, nothing that would hit my radar today AT ALL. But back then, she was actually considered to be quite heavy for the time. It wasn't that we were hypercritical then. There just really wasn't as many people that were overweight in the 60s. And when you were, you really did stand out.

That has all changed today. I think for older adults like myself who grew up in a different time, we can remember the drastic differences. I think for people just 10 years younger than me, there were big changes in weight that occurred through the 70s and there is a different perspective on it.

I think that's the only issue I have about this whole weight thing. The younger folks, who've spent their whole lives in an overweight society see being somewhat overweight as okay or normal. As has been stated ad nauseum, studies have shown that even being 20-30 lbs overweight increases your risk of many problems and it's hard on the body.
 
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I think what's really been interesting about this thread and the one two weeks ago, same subject, is the aggressiveness against anyone who even dares to talk about being overweight in a negative way. It's just not allowed to be discussed even if it's respectful. The same folks who think we shouldn't talk about someone's weight have no problem slamming the person who had the opinion (Cheryl Tiegs in this instance) over their looks using pretty negative terms. Cheryl Tiegs is a 68 year old women who, in her latest foray into the media, obviously didn't get "done up" to present herself. Many 68 year old women have "lost" their figures, are showing the effects of too much sun, and don't look like they did when they were 20. I have actually been astounded to read the comments about her aging. It seems to me that all bets are off when it comes to women who start to wrinkle.
I've already stated my objections to the objections :p and I had too many quotes to respond to, so I'll just say this.

It makes me laugh to hear/see people spout off about "health" when we ALL have things we're doing that make us unhealthy today, in our society. My job as a cardiac nurse entails educating people to better health after they've come in to the hospital for a major cardiac event. Before I can educate them, though, I need to understand who they are and where they're coming from to see what it is that contributed to a particular event, because it's in no way a one size fits all solution, if you'll pardon the pun. There are a LOT of factors that fit the bill, and very often, weight isn't one of them. As an example, poor diet choices are way up there, even though many people don't recognize them as a factor for themselves. Because their weight is within normal range they miss that their dietary choices may still be contributing to coronary artery disease. (I think, actually, your eating a whole container of ice cream to gain weight would be a good example of that, but further, we as a society, in the U.S., are eating poorly, when you look at what a proper diet should be.) The thing is, my job isn't to judge, it's simply to educate. I actually start my discussions with patients by saying I struggle with the same things they do, because I've found just that little bit of acknowledgement helps put people at ease and in a better place where they can listen to what I have to say that is meant to help them, and their very lives may depend on it, so I do my best to get it right. It's very challenging helping the rail thin engineer whose father died of a heart attack at the same age and just had a heart attack himself, see that a high stress job working 90 hours a week, under constant pressure from his bosses, traveling three weeks a month, eating most meals in restaurants, not sleeping much, and regularly arguing with his wife and family about his lifestyle, is contributing to poor health. ("But he's thin, why would he have a heart attack?" is what you hear from visitors in the room, it's uncanny. "Geez, I have no idea, just one of those things, I guess" is often the response. :rolleyes1 )

So yes, I will point out the hypocrisy of someone like Cheryl Tiegs talking about "health" when it's pretty obvious from her history she has some issues herself, just like the rest of us in one way or another. An overweight person may have issues that could be improved, and it's out there for the world to see. But it's no different from many people who also have issues that could be improved that are less evident to the world. Very, very few of us are perfect when it comes to health. If you weigh risk factors on a scale, excess pounds in someone with an otherwise healthy lifestyle is not a lot different from stress disorders in someone who lives an unhealthy lifestyle; over time, each contribute to disease, and in fact, all things considered, excess weight could actually be less of a health issue on those scales than some of the other non-weight factors that are common today, as some posters here have correctly pointed out.

Beyond that, there are numerous psychological, sociological, even political, reasons why I think mainstreaming people of all shapes and sizes, along with people of color, persuasion, abilities, etc., is positive for all of us.
 
That model is pretty, but she is fat. If you asked people in the 1980 s and before they would say she is fat.People are so use to seeing overweight people that people are starting to think it is normal to be overweight. I am fat I am not fluffy or big boned I am fat. Doctors use to tell people they were fat. But now we have to make sure we do not use the word fat. People do not like to hear the truth, Yes thin people can be unhealthy but being fat is unhealthy and just because society normalizes something does not change the fact it is unhealthy.
Apparently you don't go to my doctor, who has no problem telling me I'm fat.

That being said, he also has no problem telling me that it's great that I do 5Ks, 10Ks, half marathons and even 1 full marathon. Not bad for a fat girl.

I think peoples' problem is more related to a PP's point. The feigned concern for fat peoples' health is just that...feigned concern. Cheryl Tiegs couldn't care less about Ashley's health. What she cares about is that Ashley doesn't look like what a supermodel is "supposed" to look like, in Cheryl's opinion. It's about the exterior and what it looks like for Cheryl. It's not about the interior.

That being said, when ones whole life has been based on looks, being shallow and looks-focused is probably to be expected. Unfortunately for Cheryl, now she is no longer "supermodel perfect" so her commentary on anyone else's appearance is somewhat disingenuous.

I also find it terribly sad that people just don't age gracefully. Nipping, tucking, making ones face look like a mask. Sad...
 
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And didn't "they" state that under weight, heroin addict looking models were contributing to eating disorders? Constant images in the media have an effect on the psyche. No, I don't for a moment believe that an image like Ashley is going to make everyone think it's okay to be heavier. But there is an issue of fat acceptance out there. By fat acceptance, I strictly mean the way we see bodies in our mind as being of a normal size. Throw out any comparisons to the BMI because from day 1 that chart was just ridiculous.

I'm betting any of the older DISers on here (and I am 52) sort of know what I'm talking about. For instance, when I was in elementary school there were very few overweight children. So few, that when there was one everyone knew, without even mentioning it, who that one kid was. I'm sure that child had a horrible time of it. I remember in my 2nd grade class we had one girl who we all considered "fat." When I go back and look at my class picture today, she looks like a totally normal child by today's standards. Wouldn't hit anyone's radar today.

My aunt has had a lifelong problem with weight. Back in the 60s, she was the heaviest person we knew. Not sure what her weight was at the time. But when we were watching some old movies from 1965 and she was in them, I couldn't believe it. She looked like your average mom of two young children by today's standards. Yes, she looked a little "fluffy" as we like to say on the DIS but, again, nothing that would hit my radar today AT ALL. But back then, she was actually considered to be quite heavy for the time. It wasn't that we were hypercritical then. There just really wasn't as many people that were overweight in the 60s. And when you were, you really did stand out.

That has all changed today. I think for older adults like myself who grew up in a different time, we can remember the drastic differences. I think for people just 10 years younger than me, there were big changes in weight that occurred through the 70s and there is a different perspective on it.

I think that's the only issue I have about this whole weight thing. The younger folks, who've spent their whole lives in an overweight society see being somewhat overweight as okay or normal. As has been stated ad nauseum, studies have shown that even being 20-30 lbs overweight increases your risk of many problems and it's hard on the body.
Just to say, lest you think I'm disagreeing, I totally get and agree with what you're saying. We can go back even further than when we were young to look at the generations before us who walked most places, worked super hard often in physical activities and jobs, ate way less than even people did in the 1950s and 60s, etc., to see that yes, it is alarming to see how our society's changed in terms of diet, exercise and lifestyle, so, as I've said, we have work to do there and we should recognize that it can't keep going the way it has been. But again, there are other factors to consider as well.

I've mentioned in previous threads that back in the Vietnam era they compared coronary artery disease in young soldiers who died and they noted that U.S. soldiers had beginnings of coronary artery disease (CAD) whereas Asian soldiers did not. We need to look to places like the Mediterranean and Asia to see what they're doing right in terms of diet and strive to emulate it. (Although many Asians smoke and have stress-related illnesses now, too, and France isn't far behind.) But how do we do this at this point here? Fast food has overtaken our lives. We still smoke. We have a drug epidemic. We have financial stressors. Job stress. Pressure to be beautiful. World and political tensions. You name it. It's like a runaway train.
 
I haven't denied that being overweight can lead to health problems. I deny that fat acceptance, particularly showing an overweight woman in a bathing suit, outdoors (not eating oreos) will make everyone fatter.
Was that not Tieg's argument? Accepting fat PEOPLE will make us a fatter society?
Accepting underweight, heroine addict supermodels as the norm didn't make us thinner.

Oh noes!! She's hot!! She's making being overweight acceptable. I'm going to catch......... THE FAT!!!!! Woe is me woe is me.
 
We think alike! I heard Tiegs in an interview many years ago and she was talking about the grueling work to keep her body "model perfect". It's probably a slap in her face that someone who doesn't adhere to her grueling exercise regimen or starve herself can be considered for a magazine cover. Just not fair! :mad:

NOOOOOOOOOO!!!! t's not fair dadmummit. All the facelifts!!! All the starving!!1 Maybe this size 14 is acceptable to everyone else, BUT I WAS ONE OF THE CHOSEN PRETTY ONES!!!!!
 
Apparently you don't go to my doctor, who has no problem telling me I'm fat.

That being said, he also has no problem telling me that it's great that I do 5Ks, 10Ks, half marathons and even 1 full marathon. Not bad for a fat girl.

I think peoples' problem is more related to a PP's point. The feigned concern for fat peoples' health is just that...feigned concern. Cheryl Tiegs couldn't care less about Ashley's health. What she cares about is that Ashley doesn't look like what a supermodel is "supposed" to look like, in Cheryl's opinion. It's about the exterior and what it looks like for Cheryl. It's not about the interior.

That being said, when ones whole life has been based on looks, being shallow and looks-focused is probably to be expected. Unfortunately for Cheryl, now she is no longer "supermodel perfect" so her commentary on anyone else's appearance is somewhat disingenuous.

I also find it terribly sad that people just don't age gracefully. Nipping, tucking, making ones face look like a mask. Sad...


Oddly enough, so many people think of running s marathon as the ultimate health "goal" when in fact running that far is actually bad for you. It's just too punishing on the body & can cause permanent damage. You're much better off sticking to 10k's and such.
 
Christine, I'm 49, and I understand what you're saying. I do remember all through elementary and middle school there being one kid who would be considered overweight in each class. When I go to my kids' schools, it is surprising how many kids are overweight. I struggle with an extra 15 lbs myself, so I'm not slamming these kids. But as someone who never struggled with weight at their ages, I do worry. From personal experience, the older I get, the harder it is to keep my weight at bay. These kids are in the prime of their young lives, and getting to a healthy weight will get harder as they get older. Anyway, I think Ashley Graham looks like she's active, and that has so much to do with good health.
 
Under weight heroin addict supermodels are not causing an epidemic though. Obesity is an epidemic of major proportions. Show me an American model that is famous right now that is under weight and a heroin addict.

Herion addiction is in fact becoming an epidemic as meth already has.

I don't follow models so couldn't name any but many are underweight. Many of the curves you see in magazines are air brushed or photo shopped. It works both ways.

Underweight is still the goal of many teen girls. They see the flat tummies and "thigh gap" of the famous and think its the right way to look when it may very well hurt them to obtain it.

No one but this model and her dr know if she is unhealthy. None of us can tell by looking at her or any other person a couple of pounds over the "ideal weight" which is a bunch of huey anyway.
 
Under weight heroin addict supermodels are not causing an epidemic though. Obesity is an epidemic of major proportions. Show me an American model that is famous right now that is under weight and a heroin addict.
On the low end of BMI to underweight has been the ideal since what...sometime in the 60s? Twiggy and all that. Haven't Americans gotten fatter since then? Pushing Jane Fonda, Slim Fast and Kate Moss hasn't made us thinner so why will INCLUDING women like Ashley make us fatter? (She's only shown as one of several body types of models)
 












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