Pls inform me about Jehovah Witness

[TurboKitty]

I gotta start keeping score now...

So true:

For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

2 Tim 4:3-4

Am I crazy or does it not sound like you are using a passage you should take notice of to condemn your oppenents???!

Typical liberal tactics. They speak of tolerance but when an opposing viewpoint is presented they quickly label it as hate speech and intolerance. Quite ironic that those who call for tolerance are some of the most intolerant people you would ever want to meet.

*cough. Cough. Cough. Choking on the irony.* Watch where you point those fingers.

And you spew your intolerance of my faith by comparing it to terrorists that blow up little children. I wouldnt consider that a rational, reasonable, or intelligent statement. Some would even consider it "hateful" if they followed the typical liberal talking points.


You are making judgements on me when you ASSUME I dont put my faith in action. You have no idea what ministries and outreaches that I serve in.

You have no concept of the statement "judge not that ye not be judged". You are ignorant of the difference between discernment and judging as mentioned in the Bible. Furthermore, you would like to maintain that ignorance so you can throw out the "judge not" line whenever you need a ready defense. We are called upon to make "judgements" every day of our life.[/Quote}

Well, ya have a tiny point there. You've never actually stepped up and told the collective *US* what your faith actually is, only which ones are "abominations and cults" with absolutely no evidence to back it up.

We are therefore forced, by your own thrust strawmen and intrepretations of the bible that we've been presented with, to argue back in kind.

If you think that we are not to make any kind of judgements then you are sadly mistaken and you have misinterrepted what the scripture says about judging others. I would suggest you do a further bible study on the concept of judgement. It is "how" we judge that Jesus is speaking of NOT whether or not we should judge. Look further down in Matthew 7. Jesus talks about being on the lookout for false prophets and we will know them by their fruits. Sooooo when JW speaks of a false doctrine do you not see how this lines up with Jesus' teachings?

Yes, we are to make judgements.

Wait a moment..... Were you the one who told us the Old Testament was to be largely ignored in this day and age? If so, why are trying to cling so hard to it's ideals???!

So many places on the net/web to go. I am gonna go out on a limb and tell you...

Everyone here knows about Christ. Find a better place to witness, as it's not news to any of us here who are none believers. We know, thanks for the concern, please go witness elsewhere. Best of luck to you.

 

[PixieDust32]

I knew of some JW's once and they would not lift their glasses in a toast b/c they said it was a celebration and that was wrong. Anyone hear of that? They didn't socialize with anyone that wasn't JW, but were business partners with my FIL. They came to my wedding. I thought that was nice of them.

Religion is such a hot topic. I think the majority of wars in the world are usually over religion aren't they?

I don't know, we are a good friends of a JW family and they go to the company picnic, they do socialize with everybody else, regarless of their religion, we have gone to vacations to Miami and Disney, we go to restaurants, shopping and all the things you do on vacations, we have gone camping, so I don't know.

 

[WatchinCaptKangaroo]

I'm not going to even attempt to read this entire thread since it got so nasty on page 2...

As long as you show tolorance and don't go out of your way to offend it's unlikely your invite of inclusion or comment that isn't inappropriate yet not relavent to her religion will be viewed as offensive.

 

[WatchinCaptKangaroo]

People! STOP! For ONE moment please and READ this post!

2funny2c (think about the name....) has only posted controversial threads (their ONLY thread started was "why intelligent design will win") and only posted IN controversial thread. Do a search and STOP feeding the troll!

Thank you!

 

[barkley]

wow long thread-but i'll add the little bit of information i'm aware of from working for several years with some jw's. members are also not permitted to belong to any groups, organizations, unions-anything that has a "membership" (so no scouting, clubs, sororoties and the like). they also do not make charitable contributions other than to jw. this became knowledge to those of us in the workplace because we were in a "union shop" wherein the only basis for being a non union employee was due to "religious objection" in which case the amount deducted from pay for union dues was to be given to the charity of non union member's choice-jw's are allowed by law to waive this contribution due to their religious objection to charitable contributions. they are however given all benefits and protections the presiding union membership quarantees fee paying members.

my jw co-workers advised us that while they did celebrate marriage they could not attend a non jw wedding (due to thier usualy being held in a church).

what i found somewhat confusing and contradictory was that while they did not recognize or celebrate any christian or other "holidays" and birthdays, and insisted their children not participate in any (their children were excused from participating in school events and did not attend birthday parties)-each year, every member of the family had thier own "special day" (they would refer to it by the family member's name). invitations would be sent to school mates and co-workers, a cake would be ordered from the bakery, balloons, pinatas...and the special person would receive gift wrapped presents.

 

[TurboKitty]

The biggest reason I've come back here, and replied...


the acronism of Jehovah's Witness' in jw or even jws, which really does look like "jews" on a quick glance....


I know, may be a little over sensitive...


But going along in order to get along.......can a worse course of action.

I am not ready to point fingers...but I won't roll over "for the good of the whole".

HI, How ya doing? I'm a republican. Not a rabid one, and a pro-choice one at that. Then again, some things I've done in my life, the republicans may not want to claim me!

 

[numbersman]

Whoa! There's a huge difference in Scripture between practicing discernment and making/issuing judgment. Christians can practice discernment in distinguishing between truth and myth as it relates to what someone is teaching. Judging, however, is an activity that God reserves strictly to Himself, especially as it relates to the final disposition of each human being.

Jesus was very clear and specific when He said "Judge not." The terms discern and judge are NOT interchangable, as much as you might want them to be in order to justify your arguments.

All good points. I would ask that you take a look at 1 Corinthians 5:12-13, however, to see if judgment is reserved solely for God, or if we as Christians are given certain rights, and indeed commands, by God to do. Just wanted to throw that in the mix!

 

[jgmklmhem]

From reading this thread the only belief that really gives me pause is the blood transfusion one. Not celebrating Christmas or birthdays etc might cause a hurt feeling every now and then but refusing a blood transfusion could lead to someones death. Do they allow for any blood trransfusions (for example directed blood from a relative)? I guess this hits close to home because I know my daughter would have died in surgery if she had not received one.

 

[JenDaveBrendan]

Do they allow for any blood trransfusions (for example directed blood from a relative)? I guess this hits close to home because I know my daughter would have died in surgery if she had not received one.

No they do not. I am a bit foggy on the reasons why though. This is also what made us upset with my SIL (see my previous post above regarding this)

 

[JennyMominRI]

There is a verse in Acts that says Keep Abstaining from Blood..I'm paraphrasing,but that's close

 

[cardaway]

From reading this thread the only belief that really gives me pause is the blood transfusion one. Not celebrating Christmas or birthdays etc might cause a hurt feeling every now and then but refusing a blood transfusion could lead to someones death. Do they allow for any blood trransfusions (for example directed blood from a relative)? I guess this hits close to home because I know my daughter would have died in surgery if she had not received one.

Is this where the law should step in? To keep children from receiving life saving medical treatment is pretty questionable IMO.

 

[karebear1]

Typical liberal tactics. They speak of tolerance but when an opposing viewpoint is presented they quickly label it as hate speech and intolerance. Quite ironic that those who call for tolerance are some of the most intolerant people you would ever want to meet.

For the most part I have stayed out of these discussions, but I really feel the need to say something now.

You are free to feel, think and say whatever you want to- however, I have to say that your statement above reflects how you appear to everyone here. You seem to be very mean spirited and intolerant in what you have to say about other's religious beliefs.
I for one, am really tired of the hatred you spew in the name of religion.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

All good points. I would ask that you take a look at 1 Corinthians 5:12-13, however, to see if judgment is reserved solely for God, or if we as Christians are given certain rights, and indeed commands, by God to do. Just wanted to throw that in the mix!

You need to look back at the original Greek word that is translated "judge" to determine what is meant in this passage. The Greek word is "krino". According to Strong's Concordance, the word's usage

1) to separate, put asunder, to pick out, select, choose

2) to approve, esteem, to prefer

3) to be of opinion, deem, think, to be of opinion

4) to determine, resolve, decree

5) to judge

a) to pronounce an opinion concerning right and wrong

1) to be judged, i.e. summoned to trial that one's case may be examined and judgment passed upon it

b) to pronounce judgment, to subject to censure

1) of those who act the part of judges or arbiters in matters of common life, or pass judgment on the deeds and words of others

6) to rule, govern

a) to preside over with the power of giving judicial decisions, because it was the prerogative of kings and rulers to pass judgment

7) to contend together, of warriors and combatants

a) to dispute

b) in a forensic sense

1) to go to law, have suit at law

It seems clear to me that this passage does not authorize Christians to pass judgment on other people, especially in determining who is "saved" vs. who is "lost." That is my primary complaint with 2funny2c... their attempt to play "God" on this thread.

 

[DisneyAddict_M]

Is this where the law should step in? To keep children from receiving life saving medical treatment is pretty questionable IMO.

The law has stepped in on many occasions. I remember seeing excerpts from one such court case televised on the news.

 

[numbersman]

You need to look back at the original Greek word that is translated "judge" to determine what is meant in this passage. The Greek word is "krino". According to Strong's Concordance, the word's usage It seems clear to me that this passage does not authorize Christians to pass judgment on other people, especially in determining who is "saved" vs. who is "lost." That is my primary complaint with 2funny2c... their attempt to play "God" on this thread.

Just curious, though...#5 from Strong's actually says "judge", and examples underneath it appear to be judging. How then, do you say that this passage doesn't authorize Christians to pass judgment, when the very definition (in the original language) means "to judge"? The Bible, I think, is pretty clear as to who is "saved" and who is "lost." I agree that we cannot "judge" anyone to Heaven or Hell - it is not in our power to do so. But I do think we can "tell" or "discern" who is or isn't saved by their actions, don't you? Won't we know that people are Christians by their fruits and by their works, according to various places in the Bible?

 

[DannyHaszard]

I was a JW for 33 years!

A heads up on the Jehovah's Witnesses.

The Watchtower Corporation (Jehovah's Witnesses) is a media publishing, real estate development, and convention sponsoring company and their literature all promotes the corporation and those goals.

I have Jehovah's Witnesses family in Naples Florida who practice the Watchtower JW enforced ritual shunning that i have not seen or heard from in 15 years.

Yes,you can 'check out anytime you want but you can never leave' they can and will hold your family hostage

To even vocally question the teachings of the Jehovah's Witness organization will result in complete cutting off, with family and friends usually being forbidden to talk to them.

The Watchtower is a truly ORWELLIAN world, in a time when Orwellian societies are nearly obsolete. There are tens of thousands of pages up from disgruntled ex-Jehovah's Witnesses all over the world in many languages.



WHY-Jehovah's Witnesses don't do Christmas

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I was born Jehovah's Witness 1957 3rd generation.Yup,we didn't celebrate Christmas and were miserable the rest of the year too.
The reason JW's don't do Christmas is because their Watchtower leaders say so,the holiday has pagan aspects to it and by rejecting it the Watchtower appears "pure".

This "demand for purity" is one of the 8 marks of a cult.NOW the Watchtower can use this purity diversion to distract from their own practice of wicked deeds


Are they knocking at your door?
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Danny Haszard -expert witness on the Jehovah's Witness

 

[zagafi]

There is a verse in Acts that says Keep Abstaining from Blood..I'm paraphrasing,but that's close

I'm fairly certain it talks about *ingesting* blood, though, which would make their belief a bit misdirected.

 

[ioneblair]

Jehovah's Witnesses can completely explain what and why we believe, we are family loving, peace loving, law-abiding people who strive to be directed by God's Word, and we carefully search the scriptures and work hard to get accurate knowledge from the scriptures in their complete sense, I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses now for 35 years

and here is our official website, I hope you visit it and feel free to search the archives for answers to your questions in our articles, it's best to get information from the source, isn't it?

http://www.watchtower.org/

 

[Dznypal]

brother is a JW along with his wife and there 3 DDs (which of course would make them my friend's nieces)

anyway when my friend got married she wanted her oldest niece in the wedding --her brother didnt want to be part of it but since she was over 18 he let her decide for herself and she chose to be part of the wedding!!!

My friend was very happy but her brother wasnt!! to say the least!!!

None of the rest of the family came to the wedding--only the one that stood up I know its a religious thing but it is a family wedding!!

 

[RoyalCanadian]

The early Christians did not celebrate Christmas or Easter, nor do true Christians today.
True Christians give gifts and have good times together at other times during the year.

While others are arguing about religious intolerance, might I point out that these statements are prime examples of the Watchtower Organization's intolerance of other Christians.

The Jehovah Witness truly believes that they are the only true Christians.

Jehovah Witnesses used to celebrate Christmas just as every other Christian celebrates Christmas. In the December 15, 1903 Watchtower, Charles Russell wrote concerning Christmas that even though he did not agree with the date which he said wasn't important, he said "..we may properly enough join with all whose hearts are in the attitude of love and appreciation toward God and toward the Saviour." Both Charles Russell and Joseph Rutherford (the first and second presidents of the Watchtower Organization) celebrated Christmas and even encouraged others to participate in the celebration and to give Watchtower books as gifts. All this was at a time when the Watchtower says that Jesus was inspecting all churches to see which he would pick as the only "faithful and wise servant".

It is very interesting that celebrating the gift of God's son was alright back then but now is such a bad thing that a person can lose his everlasting life. Also very interesting that God allowed Christians for almost two thousand years to honor the gift of his Son and then suddenly changed his mind.

The Watchtower still celebrated Christmas for many years after Jesus picked them in 1919 as the only organization on earth that was worthy of being the faithful slave. The Watchtower condemns others for celebrating Christ's birth yet they say that they found God's favor at the time when they were still celebrating Christmas.

It's just one more example of the Watchtower organization changing the words of the Bible and telling others what God wants in order to suit the organization's purposes.

The poster who suggested the Watchtower Organization is a false religion isn't far off the mark. They certainly aren't a Christian organization.