Please give me hope...

I am going to be very honest here - it has been my experience, over and over (not my personal experience, but with friend online and IRL), that there is a 99.9% chance there is another woman involved. I've never known a man to leave his wife unless there was someone else, and he usually blames the wife, claiming to have never loved her, or blaming her in some way.

I'm telling you this, because until the other woman is confirmed, most women hope that he will change his mind, not knowing about the other person in the situtation. You don't deserve this.

Yes - this is EXACTLY what happened to my sister 3 months ago. After 10 years of marriage and with two toddlers in the home. She was caught completely off guard and at first prayed he would come around and that it was just a big nightmare that would end. The she found out about the other woman. He of course blames my sister entirely for the end of their marriage.

It is really pathetic how commonplace this scenario seems to be.

HUGS to the OP.
 
OP, again I am sorry that you are having to go thru this.

It does sound like you and he definitely need separate residences. At this point it does not sound like you are make positive strides in resolving issues. Honestly, it sounds like he is bent on making sure that you are the one with the blame. I would stop engaging n this practice with him..you are left with hurt feelings that mean absolutely nothing to him.

At this point, all those issues...spending money on your children, driving you places etc are all mute points. If it bothered him so much and was invested in making the marriage work from day one, this issues would have been presented and worked thru. Bringing them up NOW is a just a way for him to alleviate feeling guilty for whatever he is doing.

Like I told the ex when he was telling me all my faults and the reasons why he was divorcing me. I was divorcing him because he was cheating scumbag and he was divorcing me because I was the root cause of all evil and he didn't love me anymore. People who divorce rarely divorce for the same reasons! It doesn't matter what his reasons are really, only what you feel are the problems for yourself. He doesn't sound like there is an avenue to 'work' things out...just cast blame.

Kelly
 

OP,

I know what you are going through, as I am going through the same thing. It WILL get better. I promise. My life has improved one thousand fold since my EX-to be (cant say soon since divorce has been dragging on for 18 mos) came home and told me those words “I want a divorce” My life gets better each day, as I “watch” as his gets worse. A few of the “reasons” he gave for divorcing me: He didn’t want kids, I was fat, I was a horrible housewife, and I spent all our money. Now? He moved his latest fling into OUR house 2 weeks after I left and knocked her up a week after (she professed sterility). She refused to work and had a high risk pregnancy. He got fired from his job January 2011, and has a 2nd kid on the way. He lives completely on his Parents dime and unemployment. He now has everything he professed he didn’t want. He also has pushed away most of his friends.

I am only 29, and have lived more this past year than I have in the past 11 years. I see friends who I haven’t seen in years, I travel, and I care for myself. I also found someone who loves me for me, and we will be together a year on 5/9/11. I am closer to my family then ever, and the Happiest I have been in years. The only thing that can complete this happiness would be a divorce decree. Who knows when that will come..

But In all OP, Keep your head up it will get better. Your life will improve, and he will reap what he has sowed. And with cases like yours and mine, I believe what my therapist says holds true, once day they will come back asking for your forgiveness, and to take them back. When they do you can say no. I don’t need you; I am a happier healthier person without you.
:hug: :hug: :hug:
 
Wow, I was just looking at my tags, and seeing the one about Garth Brooks' song, "The Dance". It was always one of my favorite songs. In retrospect, this is one dance I wish I had missed.

THE DANCE

Looking back on the memory of
The dance we shared 'neath the stars above
For a moment all the world was right
How could I have known that you'd ever say goodbye

And now I'm glad I didn't know
The way it all would end, the way it all would go
Our lives are better left to chance
I could have missed the pain
But I'd have had to miss the dance

Holding you, I held everything
For a moment wasn't I a king
But if I'd only known how the king would fall
Hey who's to say? you know I might have changed it all

And now I'm glad I didn't know
The way it all would end the way it all would go
Our lives are better left to chance
I could have missed the pain
But I'd have had to miss the dance

Yes my life, it's better left to chance
I could have missed the pain
But I'd have had to miss the dance​

Garth Brooks is a better person than I am because knowing this, I certainly wouldn't have bothered. Even with my kids. They are great but I believe their souls were with me, they are part of ME and they would have been mine regardless.

I know people say it gets better. Look at Greenepona's story. But right now I'm miserable. He wasn't happy, great. Now NO ONE is happy. I hate my life. I have no help or support. My family and friends live in a different state because I moved here for his job (3 months AFTER he started his affair.) I'm someone who was born to be a wife and mother. I need that companionship to be happy, to feel whole. Everyone talks about their new exciting life and I just don't see that happening for me. Nothing has meaning for me unless I have someone to share it with.

What's worse is that my husband isn't even with the girl. He's alone, (unless you count being out nightly w/all his single buddies) she dumped him. There is nothing keeping him away from our family except he doesn't want to be part of it anymore. Nice.
 
Wow, I was just looking at my tags, and seeing the one about Garth Brooks' song, "The Dance". It was always one of my favorite songs. In retrospect, this is one dance I wish I had missed.
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I am so sorry for what you are going through. Although not exactly the same, my husband and I went through a very rough time last year. He was in a bad place and took a lot of anger and frustration out on me. I don't like conflict so I took it and did not stand up for myself. Finally one day I asked myself if I deserved better than this and my answer was "yes." I also knew that choosing myself meant I needed to stand up for myself and in standing up for myself I would create conflict and I needed to be prepared that this might lead to divorce. For the next three months I cried, was depressed, anxious and felt I could barely go on. I mourned my marriage and began to plan for my life. I knew that I needed to go on for my girls. I did not want to get divorced but had to love me. It was so hard when I stood up for myself the first time and cried for hours afterwards. After a few more times I began to gain confidence in myself and knew that if our marriage ended I was true to myself. My husband was shocked when I stood up for myself, but after a while he realized that I was not going to take it and that I was prepared to leave if that is what it meant. I actually told him that if he continued to treat me the way that we was I wanted a divorce. He told me not to threaten him with something that I did not mean. I told him that although I did not want to get divorced it was not a threat and I meant it. Once he realized I was honest with him and myself we finally got to a place where we began to work things out.

I don't want a divorce and we are in a good place now, but I know I am worth taking care of. I will not let myself get bullied or pushed around. I will love myself and take care of myself. I hope the same for you.

You are worthy of love, you deserved to be treated well, you deserve to be cherished. Sending you lot of love and good thoughts.

During my hard times this was a poem that helped me focus on myself and how worthwhile I am.


The Journey by Mary Oliver

One day you finally knew
...what you had to do, and began,
though the voices around you
kept shouting
their bad advice - - -
though the whole house
began to tremble
and you felt the old tug
at your ankles.
'Mend my life!'
each voice cried.
But you didn't stop.

You knew what you had to do,
though the wind pried
with its stiff fingers
at the very foundations - - -
though their melancholy
was terrible.It was already late
enough, and a wild night,
and the road full of fallen
branches and stones.

But little by little,
as you left their voices behind,
the stars began to burn
through the sheets of clouds,
and there was a new voice,
which you slowly
recognized as your own,
that kept you company
as you strode deeper and deeper
into the world,
determined to do
the only thing you could do - - - determined to save
the only life you could save.
 


I was slightly concerned when DH took this job, as I know how women are around him. Heck, I met him at work when we both worked in the ER, and we were both married to other people. I was already leaving my ex, but DH was still married. He expressed an interest in me, I said I wasn't interested, had one cheating husband, didn't want another. He ended up leaving his wife, and we ended up married two years later. If this is karma, it really is a *****. He is so charming and sweet that women fall all over him. He gives women what they aren't getting at home.

Examine yourself and figure out why you choose the men you do. He was married when you met him. He left his wife. What made you think he wouldn't leave you? He was willing to cheat on first wife, he cheated on you, yet you stayed with this immature man. The way you are feeling now is more about you than him. You made bad choices from the start with this man. He showed his true colors early on and you ignored the big red STOP sign. He isn't worth the pain. Focus on you and let karma take care of him.
 
Don't you dare feel bad for taking your own children on vacation or spending your money on them. He's an immature selfish weasel for even thinking such a thing.

And I agree - you should have left him after the first affair.

Good luck from here on out - like others have said, he has shown his true colors.
 
Teresa and Allison,

My sister is where you all are also. She thinks she'll live in poverty for the rest of her life and be alone. I have tried to tell her otherwise but she's unconvinced. Time will help her heal and see that she is worth it, she's a good person and he just tells her she is terrible because he needs to blame someone for his actions.

I swear, it is truly like a book they all read Divorce 101. Rewriting history and all that. BIL has been unhappy for "decades"--he even told his 21 (almost 22yo) this. She was like, "Dad, I'm only 21." Then he had 3 more! You should have heard why he told he had 3 more! UGH!! Who does this to their kids?!





I read about Surviving Infidelity.com on here and directed her to it and reading there has helped her.
 
Theresa, I'm so very sorry that this is happening to you.

You have heard a lot of wisdom, advice and stories from some very wonderful women. Everyone will tell you that it will get better. Those in the midst of the storm cannot begin to imagine that it will ever pass. And yet it does.

I too was the spouse of a cheating husband. He was 6 years younger than me but I believed that he was mature enough, that he wanted what I wanted, that we would have a life. We moved from NYC and bought a home in NJ and he relocated his job to a NJ location of the nationwide chain for whom he worked. That was August 1993. By spring of the next year, he was having an affair with a co worker, who was also married and had a young child. It took me almost a year to find out. Once I did, and confronted him and finally got the truth out, I made him pack and leave the next day. Dear BIL changed the locks, called the lawyer, got a restraining order against him for certain behavior.

Even with all of that (and I called his mother the next morning and told her...his father had left his mother when she was pregnant with his younger sister so it appeared they had no love for men who cheated) his family ended up blaming me...I drove him to it, it was all my fault. And I blamed myself too. For a long time. What could I have done differently, what did I do to make him?

I finally realized that it was not about me, it was about him. He was the one that simply was too immature to be in a real relationship. So instead of simply telling me, he did this. And carried it on for a year. He ended up marrying the other woman. Over the years (and it's been going on 16 now) I have kept tabs on what he's doing...either through some search engines at work or facebook, and saw that the OW was on FB with her maiden/married name, so it was easy to find her. Suddenly, can't. Search around, then drop the married name. There she is. Now, what woman suddenly removes her married name from her FB profile. One who is divorced.

If I had to guess, I'd say that this particular leopard didn't change his spots. I truly believe that once a cheater, always a cheater. Some might disagree, and have worked through and saved their marriages. I applaud them. But I believe they are the minority.

You need to focus on you, your health and those who love you. You need to stop blaming yourself for his behavior, and it is HIS behavior. He has chosen his path. And whether you like it or not, he's changed yours. Now you have to embrace it. I like the advice about finding one single thing per day that you can do for yourself. Lunch with a friend, change to a new bedding set, go to the bank and open a new account. Collect up your papers, call the bank, the accountant, the lawyer, the financial advisor, anyone with information about your financial life. You said that you manage the money...good for you. Make sure there is a credit fraud watch on your accounts. Do this for you, as you must protect yourself at all costs.

I know that today feels like the darkest of moments and that you will never see the light. I will not insult you and say that it will happen in a day, a week, a month or even a year. But I will tell you that it WILL happen. Gradually, minutely, in ways you might not even notice at first. But it will.

We are here for you through all of this. Any time, any moment. Surround yourself with the love and support of your sisters on the DIS.
 
Garth Brooks is a better person than I am because knowing this, I certainly wouldn't have bothered. Even with my kids. They are great but I believe their souls were with me, they are part of ME and they would have been mine regardless.

I know people say it gets better. Look at Greenepona's story. But right now I'm miserable. He wasn't happy, great. Now NO ONE is happy. I hate my life. I have no help or support. My family and friends live in a different state because I moved here for his job (3 months AFTER he started his affair.) I'm someone who was born to be a wife and mother. I need that companionship to be happy, to feel whole. Everyone talks about their new exciting life and I just don't see that happening for me. Nothing has meaning for me unless I have someone to share it with.

What's worse is that my husband isn't even with the girl. He's alone, (unless you count being out nightly w/all his single buddies) she dumped him. There is nothing keeping him away from our family except he doesn't want to be part of it anymore. Nice.


I am so sorry you have to deal with this. :hug: One day at a time. You can do it. For your kids and for yourself. :hug:
 
Examine yourself and figure out why you choose the men you do. He was married when you met him. He left his wife. What made you think he wouldn't leave you? He was willing to cheat on first wife, he cheated on you, yet you stayed with this immature man. The way you are feeling now is more about you than him. You made bad choices from the start with this man. He showed his true colors early on and you ignored the big red STOP sign. He isn't worth the pain. Focus on you and let karma take care of him.


Kind of cowardly to make up a name to post that, don't you think?
 
Examine yourself and figure out why you choose the men you do. He was married when you met him. He left his wife. What made you think he wouldn't leave you? He was willing to cheat on first wife, he cheated on you, yet you stayed with this immature man. The way you are feeling now is more about you than him. You made bad choices from the start with this man. He showed his true colors early on and you ignored the big red STOP sign. He isn't worth the pain. Focus on you and let karma take care of him.

Interesting first post :rolleyes1
 
You have received amazing advice and guidance. I don't have anything to add, but want to give you a big hug. I'm sorry you are going through all of this. :hug::hug::hug:
 

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