Plans have been filed for DVC expansion at Caribbean Beach Resort

[rteetz]

Pop is the SAME PROPERTY...as is Art of Animation!!! It's all the same tract. Caribbean was not built there because it was "prime real estate"...this has gone beyond silly!!

Look at the attached file...

The top is Trinidad south...the bottom is the 1950's

For fifty points: what's the warehouse looking building in the center?

Ok I give up, I just spent 10 minutes trying to figure out what it is.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Ok I give up, I just spent 10 minutes trying to figure out what it is.

That is the Caribbean/pop Services building..."housekeeping" in laymans terms...

It was built 5 feet from the old "just caribbean" building that it replaced. There's an underground tunnel that goes under the pop entry road to allow the housekeeping carts to pass...its about 40 feet long.

It's the same property...they just done knocked down some more trees.

Which means that it's the same land. So the pop tower with views of Star WarsLand as a dvc is a GO!!!, right?

Prime location.

 

[jade1]

Looks like it is supposed to be a quick service but it has bar and grill in the name.

http://www.disneyfoodblog.com/2016/...ning-summer-2017-at-disneys-wilderness-lodge/

Are they adding both?

And next summer it will be home to a new table service restaurant - Geyser Point Bar & Grill. A new quick service restaurant is planned as well.

 

[dlavender]

Which means that it's the same land. So the pop tower with views of Star WarsLand as a dvc is a GO!!!, right?

As a deluxe DVC..........

Of course.

 

[rteetz]

Are they adding both?

And next summer it will be home to a new table service restaurant - Geyser Point Bar & Grill. A new quick service restaurant is planned as well.

Good point, read that wrong. It's probably a table service with walk up window type quick service.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Are they adding both?

And next summer it will be home to a new table service restaurant - Geyser Point Bar & Grill. A new quick service restaurant is planned as well.

I thought it was a table service when the original "details" rolled out...

 

[dlavender]

As an aside, I'm gonna feel pretty dumb if they build this canal and charge top dollar for this place if it all goes down as @LaidBackDad argues. The place sells out and people take out 2nd mortgages just to get a piece of the action.

Hopefully we all find out sometime this year.

 

[LaidBackDad]

That is the Caribbean/pop Services building..."housekeeping" in laymans terms...

It was built 5 feet from the old "just caribbean" building that it replaced. There's an underground tunnel that goes under the pop entry road to allow the housekeeping carts to pass...its about 40 feet long.

It's the same property...they just done knocked down some more trees.

Which means that it's the same land. So the pop tower with views of Star WarsLand as a dvc is a GO!!!, right?

Prime location.

I'm really confused now... It's like your're proving may case for me with every post yet your rational to the contrary keeps getting murkier. I am glad that you pointed out that there is a tunnel under the road connecting the 2 properties. Before you pointed that out, someone actually tried suggesting that a tunnel under a road would be impossible on that property because of all the flooding and fire ants and cost and whatnot. Glad you debunked that weak excuse for not giving easy access a park.

Also, how on earth (or at least WDW) could 2 different levels of resort co-exist on the same property or heaven forbid, even share services. Some people would have you believe that could never happen. The idea of a lowly value resort being linked to a moderate or a moderate sharing services with a deluxe (DVC), blasphemy I tell you. What's next, dogs and cats living together. Thank goodness we have someone who worked at the resort set us straight and prove these things aren't only likely to happen, they are already common practice.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I'm really confused now... It's like your're proving may case for me with every post yet your rational to the contrary keeps getting murkier. I am glad that you pointed out that there is a tunnel under the road connecting the 2 properties. Before you pointed that out, someone actually tried suggesting that a tunnel under a road would be impossible on that property because of all the flooding and fire ants and cost and whatnot. Glad you debunked that weak excuse for not giving easy access a park.

Also, how on earth (or at least WDW) could 2 different levels of resort co-exist on the same property or heaven forbid, even share services. Some people would have you believe that could never happen. The idea of a lowly value resort being linked to a moderate or a moderate sharing services with a deluxe (DVC), blasphemy I tell you. What's next, dogs and cats living together. Thank goodness we have someone who worked at the resort set us straight and prove these things aren't only likely to happen, they are already common practice.

You're confised because you continue to miss the key points.

First off...your now quoting sarcasm
As validating your floundering arguments...I'll be more careful to identify the sarcasm more closely.

And the point...because you missed it...Is that they could combine the $79 pop and $129 Caribbean rooms (prices around when pop opened) on the same clearing/water management system because there is no real difference between the two.

That doesn't mean they are the same as the $300 a night Boardwalk across the street.

Keep spinning...if you want to be argumentative...feel free. There just isn't anything that is going to change the truth here.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Are they adding both?

And next summer it will be home to a new table service restaurant - Geyser Point Bar & Grill. A new quick service restaurant is planned as well.

We'll find out soon...it's slated to open in February...

But I just read the official description of geyser point and if said (paraphrased). "Indoor and outdoor seating, B,L,D, a gourmet burger, hot breakfast items, unique sandwiches and specialty drinks."

That's a quickserve attached to the pool bar, folks...we'll see how it shakes out.

 

[LaidBackDad]

I believe with that posters logic it would connect to the existing infrastructure in that it would let off at international gateway. Why would they need more staff? Maybe another boat driver or two.

That adds to the 1000 ft argument. Are we at 3000 ft now? Also going to have to widen that canal, aren't we? And that becomes a pretty lengthy boat ride, does it not? And we are talking about now adding at least 2 boats, with 50 years of maintenance and labor fees. If the round trip is taking 20-30 minutes, pretty sure they better put at least 4 in circulation.

So at 38 million for 1000 ft, 3000 ft is over 100 million with no other considerations.

Is the light shining in now?

What @rteetz said, no extra cost, just $37.85M to spend on landscaping. If you make the canal 1000 ft. it gets cheaper. 300x's the actual cost gives you a little cushion in case you go over budget.

 

[rteetz]

What @rteetz said, no extra cost, just $37.85M to spend on landscaping. If you make the canal 1000 ft. it gets cheaper. 300x's the actual cost gives you a little cushion in case you go over budget.

I don't think it happens though. Even the rumors say it won't.

 

[dlavender]

What @rteetz said, no extra cost, just $37.85M to spend on landscaping. If you make the canal 1000 ft. it gets cheaper. 300x's the actual cost gives you a little cushion in case you go over budget.

With it being so easy and cheap, can't believe OKW wasn't connected to maximize its value.

What an egregious oversight. At least I'll never have to take the bus when I'm at wdw next. Pretty sure I'll be able to gondola myself around everywhere with all these cheap canals.

 

[Sweettears]

Ahhhh........ the most interesting and probably correct theory I have seen on this thread yet.....

I haven't studied the pricing but didn't AoA kind of press the envelope on the value concept? At least from a price perspective.

 

[Sweettears]

Regarding the new quick at wilderness lodge:

Kinda budget, ain't it?

Disney has done this recently: calling its quickserves "grill" to make it seem
Like they aren't dumping the same frozen chicken tenders into the fryer like the electric umbrella...

A "bar and grill" is a restaurant...this will not be.

A new class of restaurants instead of QS CS and TS we now have GS

 

[lockedoutlogic]

A new class of restaurants instead of QS CS and TS we now have GS

And that is "BS"...not bothering with waiters or higher quality menus

 

[lockedoutlogic]

With it being so easy and cheap, can't believe OKW wasn't connected to maximize its value.

What an egregious oversight. At least I'll never have to take the bus when I'm at wdw next. Pretty sure I'll be able to gondola myself around everywhere with all these cheap canals.

Just like that place in Vegas that built the indoor canals for like a billion...

In a flat desert with no water

 

[Madonna3]

With it being so easy and cheap, can't believe OKW wasn't connected to maximize its value.

What an egregious oversight. At least I'll never have to take the bus when I'm at wdw next. Pretty sure I'll be able to gondola myself around everywhere with all these cheap canals.

This made me LOL

 

[dlavender]

News alert. It's already been done. Canal is completed from EPCOT/MGM/MK/AK to Pop. Only 100k. Here is a picture of someone returning to their $300/night now deluxe Pop room.

 

[Madonna3]

What @rteetz said, no extra cost, just $37.85M to spend on landscaping. If you make the canal 1000 ft. it gets cheaper. 300x's the actual cost gives you a little cushion in case you go over budget.

Really? If it's "just" $37.85 million and some landscaping to link CBR to Epcot/DHS then why don't ALL resorts have a direct park access? Why don't we build a big bridge and link Coronado to AK? It's relatively the same distance as the crow flies from CBR to Epcot. Why don't we just go ahead and link all the value resorts to MK too? There's a reason it wasn't done in the beginning and there's a reason it won't be done now. The infrastructure required to do this does not exist and to make it exist will require substantial investment and then upkeep for absolutely no ROI. It creates more logistical nightmares than it solves the "how do we sell a moderate resort for deluxe DVC prices?" However, what you have come to your senses on is that if this is DVC then it MUST have park access to command the prices of DVC in it's current model to satisfy the demand of its current clientele. I just need you to come to your senses on how NOT easy and cheap it will be to do such a thing.

Also, how on earth (or at least WDW) could 2 different levels of resort co-exist on the same property or heaven forbid, even share services. Some people would have you believe that could never happen. The idea of a lowly value resort being linked to a moderate or a moderate sharing services with a deluxe (DVC), blasphemy I tell you. What's next, dogs and cats living together. Thank goodness we have someone who worked at the resort set us straight and prove these things aren't only likely to happen, they are already common practice.

Exactly. While I realize the last part of your statement is sarcasm, your statement proved my point. If putting a tower on CBR property and dredging a canal makes CBR a deluxe DVC resort then what is stopping them from doing the same thing to POP, AOA, and then linking them to the imaginary CBR canal and calling them deluxe?? What will make AOA and POP command the same prices as CBR?

I used POP as my example because I knew it shared property lines with CBR. Disney does its landscaping so well, that until @lockedoutlogic pointed it out, you had no idea that they were connected and shared a housekeeping warehouse even though we both tried to tell you they were the same property separated by some trees and a parking lot. The Disney consumer has budgets and Disney designed resorts to match those budgets. Again, you don't get to call the Hampton Inn and the Waldorf Astoria the same level of resort because they both have beds and this is what you're trying to do with CBR vs other deluxe WDW properties. In no way would you expect the Waldorf to have Hampton Inn prices and vice versa and why is that? Is it because of clever marketing schemes or is it because one of these resorts is better than the other? The answer is because the Waldorf is significantly better than the Hampton. Yes, they both have beds, but the Waldorf uses higher quality linens, bedding, and mattresses. They both have furniture, but the Waldorf furniture comes from a high end manufacturer and the Hampton comes from Target. They both have pools, but the Waldorf pool has 6 waterfalls, jets every 10 feet, and a swim up bar. The Hampton Inn pool is a blue hole in the ground with one of those motorized handicapped lift chairs. It doesn't have waterfalls, or jets, or a swim up bar. The both have interior corridors leading to the rooms. The Hampton Inn has Sears carpet and the Waldorf has fresh flower arrangements in the hallways.

Are you getting it now? You can't just build a tower at CBR, throw in a new pool, and an incredibly expensive waterway and call it a deluxe. You have to have the service to match a deluxe level resort. You have to have the amenities to match a deluxe level resort. They're not going to build deluxe level service and attach it to a lower price point hotel to "share".

So here's where we agreed before. They must make CBR 2.0 it's own resort in order for it to have the deluxe label. The question remains, can they add enough infrastructure and theming to make this stand alone and command deluxe level prices WITHOUT park access? My position is unlikely, but not impossible. They'd have to make it comparable to the Four Seasons and I don't see that happening at CBR unless they completely demolish it and then you're losing a lot of moderate level rooms unless the expansion at CSR can accommodate for that. CSR is such a big resort already that I'm not sure its infrastructure could handle the CBR capacity so that's why I believe CBR will REMAIN a moderate level resort.