plan vs research

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So many of you have suggested that it is more important to research than it is to have a specific plan. I'm struggling a little with this. As a mother of two, I can only remember so much. When looking at park times, ride information, entertainment and ride patterns where do you keep or how do you keep/gather all of this information. I feel like I can read and read, but somethings just don't stick with me and I"m worried I'll get there and go black- HELP!
 
So many of you have suggested that it is more important to research than it is to have a specific plan. I'm struggling a little with this. As a mother of two, I can only remember so much. When looking at park times, ride information, entertainment and ride patterns where do you keep or how do you keep/gather all of this information. I feel like I can read and read, but somethings just don't stick with me and I"m worried I'll get there and go black- HELP!

I make a spreadsheet with the park hours for each day, the emh for each day/each park. If I have reservations I put the ressie #, the time, and location. Based on the park hours/EMH/and or reservation I decide what park to visit that day so I write that on my spreadsheet.

I keep the spreadsheet on my desktop at work and home. If I make any changes, I email a copy to the other place. (if home, I email work and etc)

This way if anything changes I just delete, if I write it down in a calendar, I may have to erase or white out and thats just annoying.
 
I make a spreadsheet with the park hours for each day, the emh for each day/each park. If I have reservations I put the ressie #, the time, and location. Based on the park hours/EMH/and or reservation I decide what park to visit that day so I write that on my spreadsheet.

I keep the spreadsheet on my desktop at work and home. If I make any changes, I email a copy to the other place. (if home, I email work and etc)

This way if anything changes I just delete, if I write it down in a calendar, I may have to erase or white out and thats just annoying.

:thumbsup2 on the spreadsheet. I do that too and keep it simple.

Separate columns for day / park / hours / ADR's / parades/fireworks / must sees / etc.

For EMH's I use a separate worksheet to identify which rides/attractions are open.
 
:thumbsup2 on the spreadsheet. I do that too and keep it simple.

Separate columns for day / park / hours / ADR's / parades/fireworks / must sees / etc.

For EMH's I use a separate worksheet to identify which rides/attractions are open.

I have used a spreadsheet for every trip and it works great.

Once we get to whatever park we are visiting that day, I grab a map and look at meet & greets or shows that we want to see.

Print it out before we go... easy peasy!
 

I try to keep it simple while still being a planner. I forget things sometimes, and just find it is better to have the information I may need at my fingertips. I don't really use spreadsheets, but I do put everything into a binder, and I make up Word documents with columns for each day. Within the columns I put the planned park we are going to, the park hours, any special events like Fantasmic or MNSSHP, parade times, EMH, and planned reservations with confirmation numbers. I also put it into my android phone in case I want to leave the binder in our room instead of hauling it in the stroller.

You don't have to go super crazy with planning, though some of us enjoy it. You don't have to plan minute by minute, but you can figure out what is important for you to experience and have a general guideline for you to follow. On what I call "Open Schedule" days where I have no ADR's planned, I will put all the parks' hours in that column so if I want to change my plan and head to a different park, I can, and I know the hours. I always put parade times just in case we want to see a parade, but we don't always attend them.

When we get into a park, we have our fastpass runners ready to sprint to the "hot" rides first while we head off to another area where they will meet us. We just play it by ear from there. You never know what is going to happen at Disney, so you have to have flexibility and wiggle room in any plan b/c it WILL change.

Good luck!
 
So many of you have suggested that it is more important to research than it is to have a specific plan. I'm struggling a little with this. As a mother of two, I can only remember so much. When looking at park times, ride information, entertainment and ride patterns where do you keep or how do you keep/gather all of this information. I feel like I can read and read, but somethings just don't stick with me and I"m worried I'll get there and go black- HELP!

Don't struggle. Don't make spreadsheets. Don't pay for other people's "research" and "touring plans". First of all, all of this stuff (ALL of it) is available online somewhere. Just hunt for it. Second, don't stress yourself out. I laugh at people who make charts, graphs, and spreadsheets. This isn't a corporate meeting. It's a vacation. Go, have fun, and figure it all out when you get there. And they have free maps. :thumbsup2
 
things like what is described above. We have parks that we want to go to most mornings and afternoons. Recently we have been leaving some openings at the end so we could revisit whatever we wanted. In each park we have things we want to do and things we have to do. We do not have a set order. Our experience is that for some reasons some attractions can have a long wait one time and a short wait later. There are some attractions we know we have to get to early if we want to ride; e.g. Dumbo, Peter Pan, Soarin, Toy Story Mania; and make allowance for that.

There are ebbs and flows at WDW that don't always seem logical to me. For us flexibility is important.
 
Hi,

I agree with researching, and then only plan to whatever degree is best for your group.

Know which rides are most popular at each park, so you have an idea of which ones are important to hit early in the day or get Fastpass for.

We don't do touring plans. We don't do a dining plan. So far I've never done rope drop.

However, we do schedule which park on which day. That's because we have base tickets and go in the off-season when nightttime entertainment doesn't run every night, and we like to use EMHs. Plus we do make some ADRs. So with base tickets we need to know which park has what we want during the week, so we can plug our ADRs into appropriate days.

Therefore, I do make a spreadsheet. It's not meant to be a definitive plan--it's open to change once we get there. But it helps me keep track of the park hours and night entertainment.

This is what my spreadsheet set-up looks like:


Disney_spreadsheet_setup_Page_1 by nicole_lynn_, on Flickr
 
Small tip:If you're going during a time that isn't excessively busy........just stay out of the parks with the extra hours unless you have reservation at a restaurant. The busiest parks are the ones with the EXTRA HOURS.
 
I laugh at people who make charts, graphs, and spreadsheets. This isn't a corporate meeting. It's a vacation. Go, have fun, and figure it all out when you get there.

If you have been to the parks several times, yeah I can see this. If it is your first or second visit, figuring it all out when you get there means you will not be able to experience as much as you could if you had a plan.

For me, a speadsheet is the easest way to make a plan. So laugh away...

Also, charts, graphs and speadsheets can be used outside of corporate meetings. Just saying.
 
If you have been to the parks several times, yeah I can see this. If it is your first or second visit, figuring it all out when you get there means you will not be able to experience as much as you could if you had a plan.

For me, a speadsheet is the easest way to make a plan. So laugh away...

Also, charts, graphs and speadsheets can be used outside of corporate meetings. Just saying.

My trip is in three weeks and I have the loosest of ideas in mind for what I'll be doing. There have been several times I've walked to the bus with one destination in mind, found that bus stop was very crowded or another bus pulled up first, and I just got on and headed to a different park instead. My ticket gets me into any park, so the final destination doesn't make much difference in the end. And I didn't have a worse time because I would in Epcot instead of Hollywood studios.

Planning can help for first or second time visitors, yes. But I'm sure there are pros on here that still insist on pulling out their little crayons and making charts. What good does planning out which park you're going to visit six months in advance when doing the planning on your plane ride down will result in the same thing? And don't give me the nonsense about dining reservations. Let's not let get caught up in particulars and just take the meaning of what I'm saying.

Graphs, spreadsheets and flow charts are overkill. Why chart the flow when you can just go with it?
 
Hi,

I agree with researching, and then only plan to whatever degree is best for your group.

Know which rides are most popular at each park, so you have an idea of which ones are important to hit early in the day or get Fastpass for.

We don't do touring plans. We don't do a dining plan. So far I've never done rope drop.

However, we do schedule which park on which day. That's because we have base tickets and go in the off-season when nightttime entertainment doesn't run every night, and we like to use EMHs. Plus we do make some ADRs. So with base tickets we need to know which park has what we want during the week, so we can plug our ADRs into appropriate days.

Therefore, I do make a spreadsheet. It's not meant to be a definitive plan--it's open to change once we get there. But it helps me keep track of the park hours and night entertainment.

This is what my spreadsheet set-up looks like:
Your spreadsheet looks very similar to my planning sheets. Simple, yet you know where you are going and where you are eating. Good job.

Small tip:If you're going during a time that isn't excessively busy........just stay out of the parks with the extra hours unless you have reservation at a restaurant. The busiest parks are the ones with the EXTRA HOURS.
Now see, we LOVE the extra magic hours! We can't wait to do MK at night again. There's nothing like it. It has a completely different feel than during the day. Love it!

If you have been to the parks several times, yeah I can see this. If it is your first or second visit, figuring it all out when you get there means you will not be able to experience as much as you could if you had a plan.

For me, a speadsheet is the easest way to make a plan. So laugh away...

Also, charts, graphs and speadsheets can be used outside of corporate meetings. Just saying.
I agree! Some people (ahem, supernova) don't like people to do it differently than themselves and knock everyone who has a difference of opinion. I hate wasting time, and though I do not plan bathroom trips and such, I love having a plan. Once again, today my brother said "Why would I interfere with your planning this trip when you plan PERFECT vacations? You have no idea how much I am looking forward to this trip." I don't care how many times I go. I will always have a plan.

My trip is in three weeks and I have the loosest of ideas in mind for what I'll be doing. There have been several times I've walked to the bus with one destination in mind, found that bus stop was very crowded or another bus pulled up first, and I just got on and headed to a different park instead. My ticket gets me into any park, so the final destination doesn't make much difference in the end. And I didn't have a worse time because I would in Epcot instead of Hollywood studios.

Planning can help for first or second time visitors, yes. But I'm sure there are pros on here that still insist on pulling out their little crayons and making charts. What good does planning out which park you're going to visit six months in advance when doing the planning on your plane ride down will result in the same thing? And don't give me the nonsense about dining reservations. Let's not let get caught up in particulars and just take the meaning of what I'm saying.

Graphs, spreadsheets and flow charts are overkill. Why chart the flow when you can just go with it?
I've seen your plan. While it may be good for you, it would be terrible for my family, and I am sure for other families as well. You strike me as a single guy, travelling alone who can wing it. There's nothing wrong with that, but insisting that your way is the best way (which I've seen you do on two threads now. I knew you couldn't resist this one. I laughed really hard when I got my email update and saw you posted.)and making fun of others who do it differently is wrong. I don't get out my "little crayons", that is for my children. However, I do use my computer to highlight which park has the lowest crowd level for the day. I'm sorry what us planners do in the privacy of our homes bothers you so much. I will give you "nonsense" about reservations b/c AGAIN, as I've told you before, when you travel with a group on the dining plan, you HAVE to plan your reservations. U CANNOT get into a restaurant with 14 people by just winging it. I can barely get into them by planning them 6 months in advance. I really don't want to stand around hemming and hawing with 14 people about which bus we should hop onto either. Nor would I EVER want to do 4 parks in one day as your plan states you are doing. I'm glad what you do works for you. Please stop putting down those who do it differently. When you start paying for my vacation, we can do it your way. Have fun bus hopping!
 
My trip is in three weeks and I have the loosest of ideas in mind for what I'll be doing. There have been several times I've walked to the bus with one destination in mind, found that bus stop was very crowded or another bus pulled up first, and I just got on and headed to a different park instead. My ticket gets me into any park, so the final destination doesn't make much difference in the end. And I didn't have a worse time because I would in Epcot instead of Hollywood studios.

Planning can help for first or second time visitors, yes. But I'm sure there are pros on here that still insist on pulling out their little crayons and making charts. What good does planning out which park you're going to visit six months in advance when doing the planning on your plane ride down will result in the same thing? And don't give me the nonsense about dining reservations. Let's not let get caught up in particulars and just take the meaning of what I'm saying.

Graphs, spreadsheets and flow charts are overkill. Why chart the flow when you can just go with it?
That sounds like a great plan for a solo trip. If I take one someday I will take your advice. As long as I have a husband and kids (and dining reservations) I'll write up my outline (sans crayon) and actually enjoy it :) .
 
:thumbsup2

A great plan is one that's flexible. For some reason he feels like spreadsheets or having a plan means a rigid or not a joyous vacation. I plan to give each of my family members a spread sheet to let them known what's going on if they should want to go on their own to a different park.

Your spreadsheet looks very similar to my planning sheets. Simple, yet you know where you are going and where you are eating. Good job.


Now see, we LOVE the extra magic hours! We can't wait to do MK at night again. There's nothing like it. It has a completely different feel than during the day. Love it!

I agree! Some people (ahem, supernova) don't like people to do it differently than themselves and knock everyone who has a difference of opinion. I hate wasting time, and though I do not plan bathroom trips and such, I love having a plan. Once again, today my brother said "Why would I interfere with your planning this trip when you plan PERFECT vacations? You have no idea how much I am looking forward to this trip." I don't care how many times I go. I will always have a plan.

I've seen your plan. While it may be good for you, it would be terrible for my family, and I am sure for other families as well. You strike me as a single guy, travelling alone who can wing it. There's nothing wrong with that, but insisting that your way is the best way (which I've seen you do on two threads now. I knew you couldn't resist this one. I laughed really hard when I got my email update and saw you posted.)and making fun of others who do it differently is wrong. I don't get out my "little crayons", that is for my children. However, I do use my computer to highlight which park has the lowest crowd level for the day. I'm sorry what us planners do in the privacy of our homes bothers you so much. I will give you "nonsense" about reservations b/c AGAIN, as I've told you before, when you travel with a group on the dining plan, you HAVE to plan your reservations. U CANNOT get into a restaurant with 14 people by just winging it. I can barely get into them by planning them 6 months in advance. I really don't want to stand around hemming and hawing with 14 people about which bus we should hop onto either. Nor would I EVER want to do 4 parks in one day as your plan states you are doing. I'm glad what you do works for you. Please stop putting down those who do it differently. When you start paying for my vacation, we can do it your way. Have fun bus hopping!
 
That sounds like a great plan for a solo trip. If I take one someday I will take your advice. As long as I have a husband and kids (and dining reservations) I'll write up my outline (sans crayon) and actually enjoy it :) .
Hahaha!!! I love it!

:thumbsup2

A great plan is one that's flexible. For some reason he feels like spreadsheets or having a plan means a rigid or not a joyous vacation. I plan to give each of my family members a spread sheet to let them known what's going on if they should want to go on their own to a different park.
Agreed. I do have to say that someone on the previous thread did post their itinerary that was literally minute by minute with bathroom breaks scheduled, but that was after he insulted everyone. In my opinion, you have to allow Disney to take over on any given day, which means there has to be flexibility in your plan in case a Disney moment happens that changes your plans. I think they happen often, so flexibility is key, but that doesn't mean we can't plan. I don't understand why people get so irritated at planners. Seriously, when I stumbled on the Disboards, it was because I had decided after our first trip that was planned by my parents that there had to be a better way to do it. They used the fastpass system, but didn't understand the best way to utilize it. We ended up running from place to place, and with my injuries to my feet, I sat down and cried. It was still magical, and I fell in love with Disney. I came home, had major surgery to deal with a health issue, and then started planning our next trip. That was 7 months in advance. It was as perfect as could be. Every trip we are learning what works and what doesn't, and we streamline the trip based on those things. It gets better every time. This trip we started thinking about before we left Disney, and I started getting a rough plan together at 13 months out. The time is passing so fast, and I am already nervous about getting our ADR's. Planning for 14 people is no joke. I don't plan bathroom breaks and such, and we sort of wing it when it comes to getting up in the AM, or whether or not we need a mid-day break and such. We know where we are going, where we are eating, and what time, what time parades, fireworks, and shows are in case we want to see them, crowd levels, when EMH is and where, and if I plan an open schedule day that doesn't have ADR's, I list all park hours so I don't have to guess or track them down the day of. I have meal reservations written in two places and saved in my phone. I plan and execute all shirt making projects and do additional projects on my own. Last time I bedazzled 11 shirts and 9 hats, designed and made a total of about 60 shirts, then there were pressed penny tubes, lanyards and pin ordering, etc... Packing I have to start 1-2 months out b/c I have to pack for 5 kids and 2 adults. That seems like a long time, but we usually only take carry-ons for everyone, and we have to keep reorganizing to make it all fit.

The reason I say all this is to debunk the thought that planners are sitting there for 10 months playing with spreadsheets, pie charts, and "crayons" (most adults use highligters or computers nowadays). We have more than one thing on our plates. I am a mother of 5 kids that I homeschool, I run a business, teach karate, train for my second degree black belt, clean my house, cook the meals, tackle mountains of laundry, renovate my new home (we bought a forclosure, and have LOTS of projects to keep us busy!), maintain the yard, haul kids back and forth, shop, coordinate bathtimes, bedtimes, and everything else, study for teaching my karate classes (think psychology books b/c we don't just teach kicking and punching), do community projects, go to church, spend time with family and friends, etc...etc...etc...AND I am contemplating writing a novel! Anyway, my point is...I love planning my Disney trips, and it may take me months and months to get it planned just the way we want it to be, but you see how little time I have to work with. I'm sure it's the same with most planners.

Have fun planning your trip your way. If you want to hop on a bus and hit 4 parks in one day, circle back around to hit Tower of Terror just one more time before you head on over to MK to see Wishes, go for it! I do it differently b/c it works for me that way. I like knowing where we are going, and once we get there we just let Disney happen. My runners run for fastpasses, and we take the kids to other rides. By the time we get there our runners are usually almost there, so it works out well. We stack our fastpasses until we want to use them, and hit our ADR's with plenty of time to spare. I personally like one park each day, with never the same park two days in a row. But that's just me. Have fun planning.
 












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