Pirate themed restuarant "Tortuga" planned for Magic Kingdom (Update)

[YoHo]

Oh good, you've accused me of being mentally challenged, yes, that's a surefire way to win and argument and well within the terms of service. Well played sir.
I've been here 8 years, and I've been told my opinion is meaningless a few times, but my mental capaqcity has not ever been challenged before. Good show.

Godwin's Law is used by people that can't argue the point. Mike Godwin probably got tired of losing arguments and made up his own law.

You don't know what Godwin's law states.


Nobody here is pushing reductio ad Hitlerum.

Nor are we affirming the consequent


We're merely stating that invoking Hitler and the nazi's was totally out of line.



I'll wait while you wiki all that (like I just did lol)

 

[EUROPACL]

I see what you are doing and it's very amusing. My daughter (Age: 5) does something very similiar to what you posted above. You say, "Mmmm, I love Ice Cream" then she say's, "If you love it so much why don't you marry it". I have a cousin that is mentaly challenged and he does a something similiar.

 

[MasterShake]

For the record I never called YoHo Mentally Challenged, his comment just reminded me briefly of my dear sweet cousin. He's not a bad person, though he is a lot friendlier than Yoho.

AV did start it.......

 

[pkgman]

Since this all started with restaurant rumor, let's roll all of the thread together.

The emu leg Nazi will be on the serving line. If you don't come in with Disney spirit. It will be NO emu leg for YOU.

 

[plutospup]

No emu leg for you? Oh no! Repent!

Now lets all head over to Turtuga for a friendly "Pirate Burger", and "Red Pirate Punch". Yes, I'd like fries with that, thank you.

 

[CanadianGuy]

Wouldn't that be a "Pirate B-arrrrger.."



Knox

 

[pkgman]

After numerous guest concerns, WDW management das determined that this restaurant will not serve chicken strips.


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It will serve parrot strips.

 

[CanadianGuy]

Technically wouldn't that make them "Iago Strips"



Knox

 

[YoHo]

pkgman, that's just corporate spin and you didn't read the fine print. It's not that this location won't serve chicken strips. They've reduced the chicken strips meal to 0 strips. However, a mandatory chicken strip meal surcharge of $8 will be included on each ticket per day.
This way Disney reaps all the benefits of providing the chicken strips without having to, you know, actually buy and prepare chickenstrips.

The reduction in fry cooks alone will bump the share price by $0.03 this quarter. And that's before the strip tax revenues are figured in.

Disney's a business or in the vernacular, Mickey gotta eat, but you american lardbutts do not.

 

[TheDogbots]

You must have never experienced 'SuperStar Limo' or 'Hemlick's Chew Chew Train'?


Yes - Disney let the place rot for a decade and is now spending big bucks to replicate the features of another facility that could have done a better job at being 'Pirates'. Bad business management meets poor planning and everyone looses. Had 'Sound Stage' been around you could have been swishing it up with Jack look'a likes for years now. But now we're going to get another cut rate, half-mule, cut to nothing, pathetic wimpy place that's "themed" to 'Pirates' only by naming their chicken strips some cheesy pun.


Sorry, but Disney is a big business filled with grown-ups. They don't need the cheap, pointless affirmations you got in high school.

Welcome to the world - not everyone makes the team, you don't get graded based on the group effort, "trying" isn't included in your final score, and the grading curve is steep enough to make your nose bleed.

The idiots how drop in the "Disney is a business" excuse have no clue what that really means. Disney is in entertainment - the least important thing people spend money on. Disney is extremely expensive - normal people in the real world (the ones that don't post pictures of their cats after listing their twenty differnet stays on property) can't even afford to eat on property, let alone visit multiple times a year. Just getting people to be Disney customers is tremendously hard - and most of that effort was put in fifty years ago. What first made Disneyland great has been poured into WDW and still continues to draw people by the millions.

But it won't last forever. People people aren't going to drop five grand to see chain restuarants, closed buildings and two hour waits for carnival attractions. The light that people want to see is still there, but it's fading and is being obscured by the cheap and the tawdry. There is nothing in the physics of the universe that says Disney will always be popular and always be successful..

They used to say that about Disney Feature Animation and look what happened there.


The amount of raw "stupid" in that comment is impossible to measure.

As much as I am laughing about this whole thread (as soon as it turned into bash AV and gang, there was little point to the conversation), These are some good points to stop and look at... as many people preach on this board, Disney is running itself in the ground. Not today, not tomorrow, not in ten years, but there is going to be a big brick wall they are going to hit. If you don't make WDW more presentable, a renewable experience then there is no hope for an extended future. The answer is not making crappy chicken huts and serving more mediocre expensive food. If you are talking about a restaurant, make it a restaurant that people want to eat at because they will talk about it later. Epcot (though outdated ) does this, why should the other parks not? I mean for god's sake food at WDW costs more per meal to eat then it does per week for some people... at least make it something that is going to make people come into MK on their vacation, maybe even plan another day there so they can get that dinner reservation. of course no one comes to Disney to eat, but by improving the little things (the foodstuffs, the non "e-ticket" attractions, ripping out princess shopping centers and inserting museums, small visual attractions, or some other unique hole in the wall stuff) the experience becomes one more worth repeating.

However, none of this junk is what gets people to come to WDW. Producing quality movies to bring people in to interact with characters does. Building large amazing rides like Everest does. Brining in quality unique entertainment does. Lets see here, what has Disney done in the last ten years? Produced perhaps one or two "great" movies, built two(?) "E-ticket" attractions, and brought in maybe one or two unique show experiences while ripping out alot of the neat little stuff and throwing in more gift shops... down the road people will remember riding on everest not buying the yeti doll afterwards. I must also mention that they did build a new park, I mean one that was half completed and not needed because they hadn't finished or refurbed the other three. And most of the quality stuff they have added, they put in the new park.

AK is becoming better but Disney knows it is in no hurry to improve everything. They are still riding the legacy and brining people in that decide to spend one more day just to check out that "new park." That isn't going to work much longer, and free dining isn't going to always fill rooms. Reinvestment in the all four parks, adding a new "e-ticket" attraction every year, and equally distributed amongst the parks, along with producing quality characters that kids want to identify with, will bring people back every couple years. Disney is in the habit of riding off previous successes, its their whole strategy because it costs less now. (reissuing the same movies on DVD three or four times?) Everyone wants to make their buck and get out ASAP. However, the company has no long term future if it continues its path of the last ten years. Because Disney slashed its creativity, its suffering now and going to die later.

Besides, I wouldn't be surprised in the next ten years if the company isn't chopped up into pieces and sold off. Roy can't live forever, and its only a matter of time until the people upstairs forget to even put on the false face about the company's legacy and mission... eventually the almighty dolor rules.


IT is good to see this debate... it really illustrates the point that some people will come to WDW just because its our culture's mecca, not because we demand quality. Just ask the HK DL people what kind of experience they get from a rushed, half built park. Unfortunately for them they don't have three (2 1/2) other parks to explore to make up for their money lost on that contraption. Why do we put up with it?


just say no to chicken fingers.

 

[Another Voice]

Not today, not tomorrow, not in ten years, but there is going to be a big brick wall they are going to hit.

The end can come much quicker. How long did it take for Disney Feature Animation to from The Lion King and being the biggest movie in Hollywood, down to Home on the Range and being snuffed out of existance.

The problem for WDW is there is no Pixar for Disney to buy, no quick fix. Soon Walt Disney World may be nothing more than Mall of America - Orlando.

 

[Kitty-chan]

(as soon as it turned into bash AV and gang, there was little point to the conversation)

Seems to me there's a certain awesomeness that a thread about a Tortuga restaurant rapidly degenerated into low blows, dope-slaps, and random bottles of rum strewn about the place. Very meta. Bring on the wenches!

 

[gtrist4life]

Soon Walt Disney World may be nothing more than Mall of America - Orlando

Unless it doesn't.......

Leaders are dealers in Hope, I believe Bob Iger and John Lasseter will not let this happen. Of course you have to take Hope and turn it to action and deeds. I agree there has been will always be the struggle between the creative side/and the MBA satisfy Wall St side.

I'm an MBA who plays guitar and my money is on both pulling each other forward, not backward.

Stock owners and DVC members can have the same goals.
I think the WDW leadership is taking note of the "Declining by Degrees" series Kevin Yee writes and will take the right steps. It may not be in a straight line (It is a huge organization), but we'll get there.


Peace,
G4L

 

[Another Voice]

Leaders are dealers in Hope,...

"Hope" that things are going to get better will not get Joe Tourist to drop five grand on next year's vacation. Disney needs action - now.

 

[Planogirl]

Aye, Disney needs action now...

You have to wonder who the future leaders will be and how will they view the parks. That, I think, will make most of the difference. Until then WDW seems to exist on memories that seem to cheapen more and more as the years go by.

 

[schmitty]

Disney is doing stuff now to change things. They are redoing the Haunted Mansion, Maelstrom, Spaceship Earth, a restaurant in Japan. They also just worked on RnR,Splash Mountain and the Swiss Family Treehouse. A new attraction just opened up at MK. They are going to make 2 new restaurants at the Animal Kingdom. These are all things that have been officially announced. There is still a ton of things that are unannounced and still on the drawing board but for them to get done they need time and money to do it. Not only does Disney have to worry about the initial cost of repairing and reopening places they have to factor in all the utilities and workers that have to get paid for working there.
I think this rumor of the Tortuga restaurant is stupid. They should just reopen the one thats across from Pirates and keep the name and everything.

 

[Another Voice]

They are redoing the Haunted Mansion, Maelstrom, Spaceship Earth, a restaurant in Japan.

Things like that used to be called "maintenance".

But we've all become so accustomed to lower standards and minimal effort that simply fixing 'The Haunted Mansion' after a decade of decay is now considered a big deal. Real Disney would always be in the process of improving, updating and altering; it was considered a normal part of maintaining the park. These days, adding a new popcorn wagon gets a pin release, an annual passholder preview and DVC'ers demanding special discounts.

 

[schmitty]

Things like that used to be called "maintenance".

But we've all become so accustomed to lower standards and minimal effort that simply fixing 'The Haunted Mansion' after a decade of decay is now considered a big deal. Real Disney would always be in the process of improving, updating and altering; it was considered a normal part of maintaining the park. These days, adding a new popcorn wagon gets a pin release, an annual passholder preview and DVC'ers demanding special discounts.

They have been doing things the past decade. Its not exactly easy keeping over 100 rides and shows with the latest and greatest technologies. It wasn't possible when WDW or DL first opened and it isn't possible now.
The Haunted Mansion isn't going to be getting just a cleaning. Its getting new Animitronics and other things.
Maelstrom is just getting a good cleaning though.
Spaceship Earth is getting a huge overhaul as is the restaurant in Japan.

 

[YoHo]

Actually, it was possible when the parks first opened and they did do it all the time.

Haunted mansion has been phisically broken for 2-3 years now. That would be unheard of 15 years ago. People would have been fired for letting it go so long.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

I think you missed the key point in AV's post. ie....short sighted. greed-grab for a quick buck."

I mean really come on is a pirate themed place where you can get the same two 8.00 dollar chicken fingers at every other place in MK really something you're pining for? I'm sure it will cause millions to extend their stays or plan special trips just to eat there.

There's those $8.00 chicken fingers again. Boy, they must be good.

Some people will never be happy. Arrrrgh