Pat Roberston stirring up a storm again

Charade said:
Works for me. ;)

I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't edit my posts and replace my words with yours...thanks.

You might want to recall the last time this happened the mods said it was a basis for banning.

You wouldn't want to have to come up with yet another username would you?
 
Laugh O. Grams said:
On a positive note, it is nice to see that this thread has brought together the forces of good and evil (depending on your views ;) ) of the DIS and we for once we all agree on one common interest, besides Walt Disney World, of course!!!!

I have to agree. I have been a lurker for a long, long time and just started posting. It is so refreshing to see that I am in agreement with the very same people that I would usually argue politics till I am blue in the face.

So, perhaps Mr. Robertson is really the "Great Uniter" Move Over GWB -

:worship: All Hail the Great Uniter :worship:

-wrong

(Above represents my total commitment to sarcasm.)

Did anybody recognize that PR's initials are PR - or as in business - Public Relations. This man uses Christianity and the media solely for his own gain. What a slap to the good Christians out there! As one celebrity once said - Bad publicity is still good publicity. And he is getting plenty of publicity on this one.
 
toto2 said:
Here is a nice piece about Hugo Chavez and Vernezuela. The author seem to be more pro than con , but , it look like a somewath bakance piece.


http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050411&c=1&s=parenti

PS: it is 8 pages , but a good read.
With all due respect, and I'm a pretty progressive democrat, but The Nation is a well know liberal magazine. Don't get me wrong, I read it and love it, but you're opening the door up to some serious flaming, my friend! I want to be even handed, as I ripped a conservative poster for using information from the Cato Institute as fact just yesterday.
 

I want to be even handed, as I ripped a conservative poster for using information from the Cato Institute as fact just yesterday.

to be fair, the cato institute is not conservative, but libertarian.
 
Possible , but I read this piece and found it good. I've heard that the nation is very lib , my my thought are always let the piece talk for itself. There was a call by a proeminent american personality for the murder of a head of state. I did not know this head of state very well , and I think most of us dont know who is this guy. Even if a piece is biased ,there is always some truth to it ( on either side)

I will add , that , from this piece , the poors from Venezuela seem to be a bit better off than before , and the rich , still rich. But when the poor get better off and the rich gets nothing from it , some feathers are sure to be ruffled. I know , I sound like a someone from the Socialist 101 class :rotfl2:
 
It's also clear that Robertosn is not exactly offended by true dictators with records of brutality that far execed anything that could be imputed to Chavez

http://tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030721&s=notebook072103twp

There aren't many prominent Americans willing to speak up for Charles Taylor, whose rise to power and subsequent rule have ravaged Liberia and destabilized large chunks of West Africa. But Pat Robertson has never followed the herd. In recent weeks, the TV preacher has attacked the Bush administration for undermining Taylor's government. "This country [Liberia] has had a close relationship with the United States over the years, but, of late, the last, oh, four, five, six years, the United States State Department has tried as hard as it can to destabilize Liberia and to bring about the very outcome we're seeing now," Robertson complained on the June 26 broadcast of "The 700 Club," according to the group Americans United for Separation of Church and State. A few days later, Robertson told his viewers that Bush officials "haven't had an endgame, all they've wanted to do is destroy the government of Liberia, which they have succeeded in doing." A few days after that, Robertson described Taylor as "a Christian, Baptist president" whom the United States has no business forcing from power

Taylor is Robertson's business partner. In 1999, a Robertson-owned company called Freedom Gold struck a deal with Taylor's regime, which, in exchange for a 10 percent equity interest, allows it to mine for gold in southeastern Liberia. And now, if Taylor goes, so presumably does Robertson's gold mine. Taylor, for his part, seems to appreciate Robertson. Last year, at a three-day "Liberia for Jesus" rally, which a Robertson-supported preacher named John Gimenez helped organize, Taylor presented Gimenez with a ceremonial plate. "Thank you," Taylor said. "Tell Pat Robertson, and please present this to him as a token of our appreciation."
Now, it seems, Robertson is showing his appreciation back.

http://tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030721&s=lizza072103

Name the following despot: In 1991, he invaded a neighboring country, where his men committed wholesale looting and massive atrocities. In 1998, he personally met with a senior Al Qaeda operative now listed as one of the FBI's 25 "Most Wanted" terrorists. He is the single greatest threat to the stability of one of the most important oil-producing regions in the world. Saddam Hussein? No, Charles Taylor of Liberia.


The Taylor–Al Qaeda relationship has been carefully documented by The Washington Post's Douglas Farah, by a yearlong European intelligence investigation, and, most recently, in a 100-page report the nongovernmental organization Global Witness released in April. Liberia's links to Al Qaeda, in other words, are far more well-documented than Iraq's.

Since Taylor and the RUF launched their civil war in Sierra Leone in 1991 and became internationally famous for hacking the limbs off their victims and forcing drug-addled child-conscripts to murder their parents, the United States has pursued two very different approaches toward them--one of engagement, amnesty, and appeasement and one of pressure and even prosecution. In 1999, the Clinton administration, at the behest of the State Department's African Affairs bureaucrats and Jesse Jackson (who had become a personal friend of Taylor's in his role as Bill Clinton's envoy to Africa), helped negotiate the disastrous Lomé Accord, which gave the RUF full amnesty for its crimes and installed Foday Sankoh, the RUF's monstrous leader, as vice president of Sierra Leone. As one American official told The New Republic in 2000, "The message we sent with Lomé is that you can terrorize your way to power."
 
tlgoblue said:
Actually, PR has now said that he was misinterpreted. "Take out" could mean anything, he says. There are lots of ways to take out a dictator. UMMHMM. Whatever! Says he never said we should assassinate him.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/24/robertson.chavez/

He can claim he was misinterpreted, but this is what he said:

From the August 22 broadcast of The 700 Club:

ROBERTSON: There was a popular coup that overthrew him [Chavez]. And what did the United States State Department do about it? Virtually nothing. And as a result, within about 48 hours that coup was broken; Chavez was back in power, but we had a chance to move in. He has destroyed the Venezuelan economy, and he's going to make that a launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism all over the continent.

You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war. And I don't think any oil shipments will stop. But this man is a terrific danger and the United ... This is in our sphere of influence, so we can't let this happen. We have the Monroe Doctrine, we have other doctrines that we have announced. And without question, this is a dangerous enemy to our south, controlling a huge pool of oil, that could hurt us very badly. We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200508220006

I don't think he's been misinterpreted. I think he and his followers are just uncomfortable with the idea that the rest of the world can see them for what they really are.

*I "bolded" the words*
 
I saw magazine articles with those amputation victims.

Little children maybe 3 years old with both their little hands cut off by Taylor's thugs. They have to live that way the rest of their lives.

You just have to hope that if there isn't justice for him in this life that God will deal out justice to Taylor (and to Pat Robertson) in the end.
 
It's also clear that Robertosn is not exactly offended by true dictators with records of brutality that far execed anything that could be imputed to Chavez


Just as with Bu$h and his big oil buddies...just follow the money because that's usually where the truth lies.


Thanks for the article.
 
Laugh O. Grams said:
With all due respect, and I'm a pretty progressive democrat, but The Nation is a well know liberal magazine. Don't get me wrong, I read it and love it, but you're opening the door up to some serious flaming, my friend! I want to be even handed, as I ripped a conservative poster for using information from the Cato Institute as fact just yesterday.


The author of the article from the Cato Institute had listed many references throughout his reserach. You don't need to rip anyone. It's hard to find sources that "both sides" will respect.

At least you say you want to be even handed by not including articles from The Nation.
 
bimshire said:
Uhhh Huh. Yes, the "nutty follower" is how it works. Isn't this the same reason several abortion doctors were murdered right here in the USA.
You really had to do a pole vault for that one!! :rolleyes:
 
peachgirl said:
Just as with Bu$h and his big oil buddies...just follow the money because that's usually where the truth lies.


Thanks for the article.


Yeah sure, it all about oil and money. Another Bush bash.
:sad2:
 
peachgirl said:
The citizens of Venezuela elected him. They like him apparently and that's all I need to know.

Me thinks that the taxes he wants to impose on big oil is the bug up the butts of Bu$h and his big oil cohorts. They could care less about the conditions of prisons in Venezuela.

Definitely sticking with Citgo..:sunny:

The citizens of the United States elected President Bush, we like him, how come that isn't all you need to know now? Before you delight in additional taxes on oil, don't forget, oil lubricates not only engines of SUV's but the engines of the economy. It all gets passed on to the consumer; yes Peachgirl, even you.
 
JoeEpcotRocks said:
Documented source please for this accusation.
Why bother asking Joe. She will no doubt find some cut and paste article supporting the conspiracy that no one voted in the 2000 and 2004 election except oil magnates. The "I hate Bush" crowd will go to great lengths to support a despot but malign their own president. It never ceases to amaze me.
 
I can't believe it's being disputed as to whether an Administration that resuscitates the careers of Otto Reich and Eliot Abrams is motivated by human rights concerns in Latin America over financial considerations. The ghosts of Oscar Romero, Ita Ford and Ignacio Ellacuria beg to differ
 
The citizens of the United States elected President Bush, we like him, how come that isn't all you need to know now?

I happen to be a citizen of the United States. I'm perfectly willing to let other countries take care of their own business.

Why bother asking Joe. She will no doubt find some cut and paste article supporting the conspiracy that no one voted in the 2000 and 2004 election except oil magnates.

Channeling again?

The reason Joe doesn't get the link to the facts is that everytime he asks for proof, I give it to him...just as I did the other day with the Department of Defense statistics (you don't want to argue with stats from the DOD do you??)...then, when I go to to trouble of proving him wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt, he simply runs away without ever acknowledging he was proven wrong.

Google Chavez...both liberal and conservative sites agree that he wants to raise taxes on big oil companies that do business in Venezuela.

I never said I delighted in his tax idea Dawn,...you really need to read before you rant. I said that's probably what has Bu$h all worked up.

However, as I've said before,the higher oil prices go, the better the economy gets in my state. We may be paying higher gas prices (although some of the lowest rates in the country), but the improved economy is making up for it.

Also, this part of the country doesn't use heating oil. We use natural gas or all electric....neither are predicting any big spikes in costs this winter...at least not locally.

Just call us little Saudi Arabia....:flower:

Regardless, I'm perfectly happy to have my money go to Venezuela rather than line the pockets of Bu$h's buddies in Saudi Arabia.
 
DawnCt1 said:
The citizens of the United States elected President Bush, we like him,...

Speak for yourself. I did not select Bush, nor do I even remotely like him. And I have an even more dismal view of his Global leadership skills.
 

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