Passport Expiration Question

mhconley

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So we're sailing on our third and fourth Disney cruises on the Wonder in January/February of 2018. We're sailing from San Juan to Port Canaveral on a 7-night southern B2B with a 4-night eastern. My 14 year old son's passport, which we got before our first cruise in October 2013, expires in May 2018. I have read that some countries require a passport to have 6 months of time available before they expire but this is a cruise and the only time his passport will be checked is by Disney at the embarkation port and US Customs on arrival. Do I need to renew his passport before the cruise or is he OK traveling on a passport with 3 months left on it? I'm thinking I'd rather renew it after we get home. What would you do?

Thanks,
Martin
 
I called DCL to check with my daughter's passport. One thing to note - we were sailing to Nassau, so your situation may be different. That being said, I think hers was okay if it expired a month after. So we returned June 30th, and hers expires sometime in August. (Sorry, I don't have her passport with me to double check).
It's best to just call DCL and ask, they'll let you know.
 
I am from Canada and cruising on the Fantasy Western Caribbean this August. Passport expires in January 2018 and I just renewed it this Monday just in case. Going to US is no problem but the other ports require 6 months. I wouldn't want to risk. Everyone's risk tolerance is different and I want that peace of mind when travelling overseas.
 
The answer to the question is Really dependent upon the places you are stopping. Last summer, my DD traveled to Japan, and I was forced to renew her passport which would have expired 2.5 months after because Japan required it. We had the exact same situation with our son traveling to Russia. (I was super sad about DD since she would have been 16 if I could have waited.) You Really want to phone DCL.
 

I'm on this cruise too! Unfortunately St Lucia is one of the countries that requires a 6 month validity so for me, personally, I would renew his now. Even though they won't look at it.... just in case.

Edit: Looks like Antigua states 180 days as well.
 
I know Germany and other European countries (Italy and /or Croatia ) require your passport to be valid 6 months upon your scheduled return but I know St Thomas does not so it varies. Our cruise line told us the Italy /Croatia info so I'm assuming DCL would know.

ETA: Since he's under 16, I think his state issued birth certificate would be acceptable but check with DCL.
 
A birth certificate is only good if you are on a closed loop cruise leaving from and returning from a US port.
The OP is leaving from San Juan and returning to Port Canaveral.
 
I can not speak to the cruise but living in Honduras, I hear all the time people denied their flights due to not having 6 months remaining. I would just renew as you will need to anyway.
 
So we're sailing on our third and fourth Disney cruises on the Wonder in January/February of 2018. We're sailing from San Juan to Port Canaveral on a 7-night southern B2B with a 4-night eastern. My 14 year old son's passport, which we got before our first cruise in October 2013, expires in May 2018. I have read that some countries require a passport to have 6 months of time available before they expire but this is a cruise and the only time his passport will be checked is by Disney at the embarkation port and US Customs on arrival. Do I need to renew his passport before the cruise or is he OK traveling on a passport with 3 months left on it? I'm thinking I'd rather renew it after we get home. What would you do?

Thanks,
Martin
You should contact the passport office and get information from them. Your situation is different from most cruises because you are leaving from San Juan stopping at non US ports before returning to the US.
The passport office will have the correct information.
 
the only time his passport will be checked is by Disney at the embarkation port and US Customs on arrival

It doesn't matter who does the checking, or when or where. The regulations are set by individual countries. If any given country on your itinerary requires that a passport be valid for 6 months, he won't be allowed to board. Here's a link to the State Department website where you can check requirements for your various ports of call.

https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/country.html

Enjoy your cruise!
 
Thanks everyone... Looks like St. Lucia and Antigua require 6 months and 180 days respectively so I'll be renewing his passport before we go. Bonaire, Aruba and The Bahamas are OK with length of stay.

Martin
 
Even though they won't look at it

But DCL looks at it before embarkation and has to ensure that everyone boarding is compliant with regulations for every port they visit. It gets checked at the terminal regardless of whether it's physically reviewed when you get there and they definitely do not allow boarding if it's not compliant. That's why we usually renew our passports 7 months out. This year our passports expire in October and I was having fits because we didn't get them renewed until May. Nothing planned until November but we never know when DH might have to travel for business and he has elderly family in Germany. Fortunately, it only took 1.5 weeks to get renewed and there were no emergency trips but this renewal was unusually late for me.
 
Guys. The regulations about 6 months are for flying in.

I was in a cruise that went to St Lucia and Antigua. Because it was a closed loop from San Juan, birth certificates were allowed for Us citizens. The countries didn't bar those people from boarding, even though if those people came in by air they would have had to have passports.

Rules are different when entering by cruiseship.

Feel free to worry about it. I wouldn't.
 
Guys. The regulations about 6 months are for flying in.

I was in a cruise that went to St Lucia and Antigua. Because it was a closed loop from San Juan, birth certificates were allowed for Us citizens. The countries didn't bar those people from boarding, even though if those people came in by air they would have had to have passports.

Rules are different when entering by cruiseship.

Feel free to worry about it. I wouldn't.

I wouldn't worry about it either, if it were a closed loop cruise, but the San Juan to Port Canaveral cruise is not a closed loop cruise. He will need a passport for that segment, but I'm not sure if it needs the 6 months remaining.
 
I wouldn't worry about it either, if it were a closed loop cruise, but the San Juan to Port Canaveral cruise is not a closed loop cruise. He will need a passport for that segment, but I'm not sure if it needs the 6 months remaining.

That cruise stops in St. Thomas, USVI and Castaway Cay, The Bahamas. The Bahamas is a length of stay country so we'd technically be OK with a passport expiring in May. I am going to renew his passport at some point so it may as well be before we cruise instead of after. He's still under 16 so it'll be another 5 year passport. It will be nice for him to have one with a newer photo. His current one is from when he was 10 and his looks have changed significantly since.

Martin
 
That cruise stops in St. Thomas, USVI and Castaway Cay, The Bahamas. The Bahamas is a length of stay country so we'd technically be OK with a passport expiring in May. I am going to renew his passport at some point so it may as well be before we cruise instead of after. He's still under 16 so it'll be another 5 year passport. It will be nice for him to have one with a newer photo. His current one is from when he was 10 and his looks have changed significantly since.

Martin

I have a similar situation. We have a cruise booked for Feb. 2018. My children's passports expire in March 2018. It's a closed loop cruise beginning and ending in the US. I'm not planning to renew their passports until after the cruise.

I was told once, by a Costco representative, that we needed 6 months remaining for a closed loop cruise. I DON'T believe that requirement is true. I started a thread on this topic a few years ago (https://www.disboards.com/threads/passport-near-expiration-question.3391908/).
 
Just do it. If you are a cruising family, you're going to have to renew it sometime in the near future anyway! ;)
 
I never understood this whole thing. Whats the point of the expiration date if nobody even accepts that as the expiration date? Do they really expect a plane to be up in the air for over 6 months? I think it would run out of fuel about 179 days before that. They should just make them last 6 months longer and tell everyone, ok this is really really the expiration date now.
 
I never understood this whole thing. Whats the point of the expiration date if nobody even accepts that as the expiration date? Do they really expect a plane to be up in the air for over 6 months? I think it would run out of fuel about 179 days before that. They should just make them last 6 months longer and tell everyone, ok this is really really the expiration date now.

Oftentimes one is using their passport of a form of documentation for a number of things. Since paperwork and bureaucracy take sooooooo long, you just have to make sure your passport is always valid! :)

Example: applying for permanent residency - you send requests for background clearance in each state that you lived since the age of 18. Imagine if you have to send these requests to someplace like Africa. It's going to take much longer to get results back because it... just.... does. Getting all these documents together and submitting them to the Passport office can take up to a year sometimes! So... if your passport expires in say, Dec 2017, and you don't get your paperwork back until Oct 2017, well, you have to renew your passport before you submit the application because by the time the Passport agents get to it, it's late November and all they can see is that it appears you have an almost-expired passport. :( So they would decline you! Does that make sense? They leave a grace period of 6 months for expiration because of all the gov. bureaucracy that takes TIME to process.
 
I never understood this whole thing. Whats the point of the expiration date if nobody even accepts that as the expiration date? Do they really expect a plane to be up in the air for over 6 months? I think it would run out of fuel about 179 days before that. They should just make them last 6 months longer and tell everyone, ok this is really really the expiration date now.

The passport of the visitor is valid up to the expiration, they just want to ensure that it's going to be valid for a certain period of time once you enter the country. And it totally depends on the issuing country and the country you are visiting. So when travelling to the US or the UK on a Canadian passport, the passport only needs to be valid through the period of time I would intend to stay based essentially on my ticket or my explanation to the border agent if I drive there.

What they're really concerned about is overstaying your visit. If I visit Finland, I need a passport with at least 3 months remaining on it from the day I plan to leave and I'm allowed to stay for 3 months without a visa, hence the reason for the expiry date padding. If I arrive with the intention of staying for one day and end up not leaving, I am allowed to stay for 3 months without a visa but they can insure that my passport will still be valid. I may not stay because I want to but because I have to (i.e., I get sick or injured). So the expiry is still valid and accepted, but that date may not be considered as sufficient at the date of initial entry.

Rules are different when entering by cruiseship.

Rules may be different. They may not. You have to check each port/country. Some countries make a complete exception on expiry or even a passport requirement if you're coming by cruise ship, some require the same as flying in, some have rules somewhere in between, some it depends on how long the cruise ship is there, some it depends on whether you've arrived from another specific country (although that's usually more about visas), some it depends if it's a closed loop versus not. Always check with each country and it's based on your passport issuing country and/or citizenship (especially if you have more than one citizenship or passport), not the - or just the - port you start from or where you live. No matter where I live, if I'm a Canadian citizen, I have to have a passport on a closed loop cruise from a US port.

Someone with a passport from a country in South America who lives in the US, for example, is going to have a different expiry (and visa) requirement on a cruise leaving from Florida and going to the UK than an American travelling on a US passport is going to have on that same cruise whether they live in the US permanently or not. And both have to look at the requirements of each and every stop along the way and possibly as it pertains to a cruise versus flying in and whether it is overnighting or stopping for the day.

It is something to worry about in the sense that you need to know what the requirements for your cruise are including passport expiry dates, need for passport or not, and visa requirements as the cruise line will not make arrangements for you individually (there are blanket visas that are taken care of but if you need a visa personally, they don't do that for you). And don't rely on a TA or the cruise line to tell you what you need. There are plenty of government websites that will give you that information far more reliably. It is your responsibility and the cruise line won't let you board if you don't meet them. Sometimes, the reason the cruise line says you need 6 months even when you don't is because they don't want to figure it out for each person so they take the most conservative position for their own protection. So you also need to know the cruise line's requirements.

That's why we try to keep our passports with at least 6 months on them. Most places have no more than that requirement and many have less so while it's not true that nobody accepts the expiry date as the expiry date, I never know where I might go in that last 6 months. Now that we finally able to get 10 year instead of 5 year passports, it's not a big deal.
 

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