Parking at resort then leaving car?

[Oreo Cookie]

I did NOT i repeat did NOT mean to cause such a rucus.

Perhaps I will go back to lurking and hope that my questions will be addressed by someone else.

This trip is proving to be such a problem to arrange for me. Not the joy I normally feel when I know I am going south. Sister is getting married & I can't afford to bring my family unit with me, only going with father, mother & a friend of theirs. I feel it is neccesary to support her so I am going. NOW my family has put me in charge of all the planning - plane tickets, hotel package, park & fly hotel in Buffalo, and a rental car since Dad will not be able to use the bus service to parks and then be any good IN the parks.

We will never get to any of the parks early enough to get one of those electric wheelchairs so it will be slow going.

So again sorry if any of you thought I was intentionally stiring what seems to be a rather hot topic I am just trying to get ducks lined up so I can get some sleep.

There's no need to apologize, you did nothing wrong. Don't be discouraged, and please ask any questions that you may need answered. There is so much information available on these boards. You may want to go to the "disABILITIES" forum for information on ECV or wheel chair rentals. I know that there are some companies off property that provide rentals and will deliver the ecv to your resort. I've never utilized them, but we may for our trip in December for my DFIL. I hope you are able to enjoy planning the trip and I hope you and your family have a wonderful trip at WDW!

 

[phillybeth]

Has anyone ever actually seen anyone get towed, by the way? I'd be interested to know.

Yes. We were at the CR when the valet lost the car keys (another story entirely). We were at the valet stand for quite a while later in the evening while they searched and called all the off-duty valets, and they were actively towing vehicles without resort parking permits.

 

[Disneyrsh]

The funniest thing is that you guys have no problem at all with me paying for valet, and it's really all semantics.

Whether I drop 50 bucks on a silly dress for my daughters at the CR, or pay the valet to park my car, I'm still giving my money to disney, and my car is STILL in the CR parking lot.

But somehow it's the most awful thing in the world for me to be my own valet and spend money at the CR in your NON SANCTIONED manner, but y'all are perfectly fine with me dropping it off at the valet!

It cracks me up to no end!

People who follow the rules just for the sake of them being rules, well, you can if you want, but sheep who never question authority are often the first to be led to slaughter.

 

[Disneyrsh]

Yes. We were at the CR when the valet lost the car keys (another story entirely). We were at the valet stand for quite a while later in the evening while they searched and called all the off-duty valets, and they were actively towing vehicles without resort parking permits.

So were they towing guests who were staying at the WL, for example, and had the parking permits for the wl, or just random offsite guests?

My dad was a CM, and he said they never tow onsite guests, it's just not done to kill the onsite goose....

 

[Southern4sure]

I do agree that it's up to Walt Disney World & the Contemporary about what to do with the people who park illegally & go to the Magic Kingdom. However I am sure you all agree that if these people would not do that, it would be a lot easier on them so they would not have these problems. So it's up to these people to stop it, which I doubt would happen.

I find this post kinda funny. Do you realize how many people who visit DW on a daily basis whether they stay on site or not are breaking rules of some sort? How is Disney going to police hundreds of thousands of people daily? We all know CM's never tell a guest no.....

When I'm at Disney, I have a great time by overlooking the craziness of other guests. I do not spend my time policing other guests. The only thing that another guest could do that I do care about is cooking 40 clove garlic chicken in a crockpot because I have to smell it.

 

[mrsltg]

What I find the most interesting about this post, and others like it, are those who suggest that there are much bigger things to worry about. Of course there are. And there always will be. There is always something bigger and worse somewhere else. Frankly it doesn't matter, though. Saying things like, "People are starving and therefore I can do whatever I want," baffles me. Don't use starving people as your platform for poor behavior (or anyone afflicted with anything) - it's just poor taste. Tell the truth. You're going to do whatever it is you are going to do because you feel entitled to do it. Don't blame it on your small children, your sick cat, the amount you're paying for food or hotel, a vision from God, or anything else - call it what it is - entitlement. You (not a specific person, mind you) feel you are superior to those around you. Fine. Say so.

In the meantime, I'll take my small kids and do what's asked. I'm not fearful of being led off to a slaughter because there is a difference between the ability to read and follow simple instruction that is in place as a simple courtesy to those around me and whole host of other things that might lead to one's "slaughter".

 

[Amy&Dan]

I did NOT i repeat did NOT mean to cause such a rucus.

Perhaps I will go back to lurking and hope that my questions will be addressed by someone else.

This trip is proving to be such a problem to arrange for me. Not the joy I normally feel when I know I am going south. Sister is getting married & I can't afford to bring my family unit with me, only going with father, mother & a friend of theirs. I feel it is neccesary to support her so I am going. NOW my family has put me in charge of all the planning - plane tickets, hotel package, park & fly hotel in Buffalo, and a rental car since Dad will not be able to use the bus service to parks and then be any good IN the parks.

We will never get to any of the parks early enough to get one of those electric wheelchairs so it will be slow going.

So again sorry if any of you thought I was intentionally stiring what seems to be a rather hot topic I am just trying to get ducks lined up so I can get some sleep.

Hi Op, I am sorry your post caused such craziness, don't worry about it, its not you people are sore at since you had a valid question, just a few other people who have some strange ideas. I really suggest you go to www.randysmobility.com We went to WDW with my fil in January who is in congestive heart failure (fine to travel, just not fine to trek around WDW for seven days). They delivered the scooter to our resort, it was completely compatible with all the WDW transportation, it turned out to be cheaper than renting one each day inside the parks. And like you we knew we would not get to the parks at opening to get a scooter and didnt' want to chance it. Check out the disabilities board for all sorts of good advice, thats where I got the idea for Randy's Mobility. They pick up and deliver and the scooter easily re-charges inside the hotel room. They do this for on and offsite guests. Have a wonderful trip and continue to post questions, read the responses that apply to your question and ignore the rest.

 

[Amy&Dan]

What I find the most interesting about this post, and others like it, are those who suggest that there are much bigger things to worry about. Of course there are. And there always will be. There is always something bigger and worse somewhere else. Frankly it doesn't matter, though. Saying things like, "People are starving and therefore I can do whatever I want," baffles me. Don't use starving people as your platform for poor behavior (or anyone afflicted with anything) - it's just poor taste. Tell the truth. You're going to do whatever it is you are going to do because you feel entitled to do it. Don't blame it on your small children, your sick cat, the amount you're paying for food or hotel, a vision from God, or anything else - call it what it is - entitlement. You (not a specific person, mind you) feel you are superior to those around you. Fine. Say so.

In the meantime, I'll take my small kids and do what's asked. I'm not fearful of being led off to a slaughter because there is a difference between the ability to read and follow simple instruction that is in place as a simple courtesy to those around me and whole host of other things that might lead to one's "slaughter".

Very, very well said. I couldn't agree more. If following a rule, even one that I don't like is making me a lamb to the slaughter so be it. Amazing how people can justify themselves.

And like someone else has stated, I have realized that one of the most verbal people on this thread is actually someone I have posted to on another thread about mug abuse (which they think is fine ). Unbelieveable. What a laugh that they are hot under the collar about parking abuse as they say they will reuse their resort mug for eternity. They are BOTH WRONG to do. I saw once on the dis a thread closed because a moderator said they could not have threads where people stated the reasons and methods they used for cheating the various rules at WDW. I am amazed this one is still going.

 

[jenjersnap]

So were they towing guests who were staying at the WL, for example, and had the parking permits for the wl, or just random offsite guests?

My dad was a CM, and he said they never tow onsite guests, it's just not done to kill the onsite goose....

I guess my post back on, oh, page 5 was missed.

We always stay onsite and were during the CM incident.

Maybe times have changed since your dad was a CM. Once again, I have seen with my own eyes, towing in the CR parking lot. In early December, no less.

to the OP. Nothing wrong with asking questions! I hope your trip turns out better than you expect.

 

[Sammie]

What I find the most interesting about this post, and others like it, are those who suggest that there are much bigger things to worry about. Of course there are. And there always will be. There is always something bigger and worse somewhere else. Frankly it doesn't matter, though. Saying things like, "People are starving and therefore I can do whatever I want," baffles me. Don't use starving people as your platform for poor behavior (or anyone afflicted with anything) - it's just poor taste. Tell the truth. You're going to do whatever it is you are going to do because you feel entitled to do it. Don't blame it on your small children, your sick cat, the amount you're paying for food or hotel, a vision from God, or anything else - call it what it is - entitlement. You (not a specific person, mind you) feel you are superior to those around you. Fine. Say so.

In the meantime, I'll take my small kids and do what's asked. I'm not fearful of being led off to a slaughter because there is a difference between the ability to read and follow simple instruction that is in place as a simple courtesy to those around me and whole host of other things that might lead to one's "slaughter".

Thank You, It is the same situation at the local Target, etc. of people who think they don't have to park in the lot with the rest of the human population, They get to park right next to the curb, where it says No Parking.

I truly want to ask them, Why are you allowed to this, what if everyone did this and no one parked in the lot. What would happen then, chaos that is what.

Rules, and guidelines are there for a reason. No one is above them. If everyone that visits Disney thinks they are entitled to disregard all the rules and guidelines unless physcially enforced, it will be a horrible place for all of us even those not following the rules.

Just think about it, what if on one day thousands that visit WDW decided the heck with paying to park in the lots for the parks. I will just go to any Disney resort (not just the ones close to parks either), park and ride the bus. Wouldn't you just love that. Then you wonder why people complain about the wait times and crowded buses.

 

[Disneyrsh]

What I find the most interesting about this post, and others like it, are those who suggest that there are much bigger things to worry about. Of course there are. And there always will be. There is always something bigger and worse somewhere else. Frankly it doesn't matter, though. Saying things like, "People are starving and therefore I can do whatever I want," baffles me. Don't use starving people as your platform for poor behavior (or anyone afflicted with anything) - it's just poor taste.

Well, that's an interesting twist of the truth. First of all, nobody posted "People are starving and therefore I can do whatever I want". That is a quote you created, and then attributed it to someone else. That's a sneaky trick that people like to pull. If you're going to quote someone, then REALLY quote them. Don't make stuff up! What I think you were trying to do was to take my quote "this is not a big deal in the grand scheme of things and everyone's getting way too upset about it" and twisted it into your quote.

Tell the truth. You're going to do whatever it is you are going to do because you feel entitled to do it. Don't blame it on your small children, your sick cat, the amount you're paying for food or hotel, a vision from God, or anything else - call it what it is - entitlement. You (not a specific person, mind you) feel you are superior to those around you. Fine. Say so.

I did tell the truth. I said I parked at the CR with an ADR and then went into MK afterwards, because Disney does not enforce its rules with ADR guests. I don't feel 'entitled' (again, a word I never used), I look at it as maximizing my benefits.

In the meantime, I'll take my small kids and do what's asked. I'm not fearful of being led off to a slaughter because there is a difference between the ability to read and follow simple instruction that is in place as a simple courtesy to those around me and whole host of other things that might lead to one's "slaughter".

There's a difference between simple instructions and instructions for simpletons.

What I love about the written word is the opportunity to defend oneself using quotes.

 

[Disneyrsh]

Thank You, It is the same situation at the local Target, etc. of people who think they don't have to park in the lot with the rest of the human population, They get to park right next to the curb, where it says No Parking.

I truly want to ask them, Why are you allowed to this, what if everyone did this and no one parked in the lot. What would happen then, chaos that is what.

Rules, and guidelines are there for a reason. No one is above them. If everyone that visits Disney thinks they are entitled to disregard all the rules and guidelines unless physcially enforced, it will be a horrible place for all of us even those not following the rules.

Just think about it, what if on one day thousands that visit WDW decided the heck with paying to park in the lots for the parks. I will just go to any Disney resort (not just the ones close to parks either), park and ride the bus. Wouldn't you just love that. Then you wonder why people complain about the wait times and crowded buses.

Parking in the fire zone puts other people in danger. If there were a fire, then the car blocking the curb would hinder the firemen from doing their job.

You seem to think that every rule, whether there's a victim or not, must be obeyed, to the letter, all the time. You then take a rule that is for everyone's saftety, like not parking in a fire zone, and apply it to CR parking.



Fantastic! It's also now my fault that the busses are crowded!!!!

Ok, go ahead, follow every little rule. All the time.

Right now.

Especially those of you at work-I'm sure that looking at the Disboards during working hours is VERBOTEN!!!!!

Sooooo silly

 

[DaisyD]

There's a difference between simple instructions and instructions for simpletons..

Now I see where Disney is making its mistakes. They need to reword the rules in an easier to understand way so that even simpletons get it. LMAO! Gotcha.

 

[notnothin]

Parking in the fire zone puts other people in danger. If there were a fire, then the car blocking the curb would hinder the firemen from doing their job.

You seem to think that every rule, whether there's a victim or not, must be obeyed, to the letter, all the time. You then take a rule that is for everyone's saftety, like not parking in a fire zone, and apply it to CR parking.



Fantastic! It's also now my fault that the busses are crowded!!!!

Ok, go ahead, follow every little rule. All the time.

Right now.

Especially those of you at work-I'm sure that looking at the Disboards during working hours is VERBOTEN!!!!!

Sooooo silly

Keep digging that hole!

Your attempts to justify your behavior are hilarious beyond belief...

 

[Disneyrsh]

Well, don't just take my word for it, here are some other folks opining about unenforced rules:


Institutions, Instittuional Change and Economic Performance by Douglass C. North
"The process of institutional change can be described as follows: In the case of a norm of behavior, a change in relative prices or a change in tastes will lead to its gradual erosion and to its replacement by a different norm. Over time, the rule may be changed or simply be ignored and unenforced. Similary, a custom or tradition may be gradually eroded and replaced with another."

Criminological Perspectives: Essential Readings by Howard Becker
"Many rules are not enforced and are not, in any except the most formal sense, the kind of rules with which I am concerned. Blue laws, which remain on the statute books though they have not been enforced for a hundred years, are expamples. "

From Rule of Law: Constitutional Interpretation by Mark Strasser" By having laws remain on the books even though those laws are rearely if ever enforced, society may commuicate that it does not believe that its own laws must be taken seriously. Thus, by having unenforced laws on the books, society may promote a lack of respect for those laws in particular."

Here's one the Webmasters can appreciate, from Cognition in a Digital World by Herre Van Oostendorp (I swear I did not make his name up)
"Community rules are often enforced by the moderator or mediator. If these rules are unenforced, they may be worthless. If the rules are enforced unevenly, community members may feel that there is bias on the part of the moderator."

 

[Lisa_Belle]

I did tell the truth. I said I parked at the CR with an ADR and then went into MK afterwards, because Disney does not enforce its rules with ADR guests. I don't feel 'entitled' (again, a word I never used), I look at it as maximizing my benefits.

So, in your own words, it's OK to break the rules if they aren't enforced? Does that mean it's OK to "maximize your benefits" by shoplifting from a store if you're buddy the sales clerk is looking the other way and doesn't enforce the rules?

What if a child is being bullied and taunted by another child on a school bus who wishes to "maximize his benefits" when the driver has too many kids to enforce the rules?

Or what if you lived in the South during the 1950s and 1960s. Would it have been "OK" to "maximize your benefits" by beating someone of another race to death because he didn't move to the back of the bus and the police did not enforce the rules. It did happen, you know.

The purpose of rules is to keep a civilized society from "maximizing their benefits" and allow others to enjoy the rights they deserve.

 

[beattyfamily]

Well, don't just take my word for it, here are some other folks opining about unenforced rules:


Institutions, Instittuional Change and Economic Performance by Douglass C. North
"The process of institutional change can be described as follows: In the case of a norm of behavior, a change in relative prices or a change in tastes will lead to its gradual erosion and to its replacement by a different norm. Over time, the rule may be changed or simply be ignored and unenforced. Similary, a custom or tradition may be gradually eroded and replaced with another."

Criminological Perspectives: Essential Readings by Howard Becker
"Many rules are not enforced and are not, in any except the most formal sense, the kind of rules with which I am concerned. Blue laws, which remain on the statute books though they have not been enforced for a hundred years, are expamples. "

From Rule of Law: Constitutional Interpretation by Mark Strasser" By having laws remain on the books even though those laws are rearely if ever enforced, society may commuicate that it does not believe that its own laws must be taken seriously. Thus, by having unenforced laws on the books, society may promote a lack of respect for those laws in particular."

Here's one the Webmasters can appreciate, from Cognition in a Digital World by Herre Van Oostendorp (I swear I did not make his name up)
"Community rules are often enforced by the moderator or mediator. If these rules are unenforced, they may be worthless. If the rules are enforced unevenly, community members may feel that there is bias on the part of the moderator."

can't you tell when it's time to quit? Obviously not.

 

[Disneyrsh]

Keep digging that hole!

Your attempts to justify your behavior are hilarious beyond belief...

Well, however you find humor in this thread, I'm cool with that.

We should all be laughing about stuff like this.

 

[Disneyrsh]

So, in your own words, it's OK to break the rules if they aren't enforced? Does that mean it's OK to "maximize your benefits" by shoplifting from a store if you're buddy the sales clerk is looking the other way and doesn't enforce the rules?

What if a child is being bullied and taunted by another child on a school bus who wishes to "maximize his benefits" when the driver has too many kids to enforce the rules?

Or what if you lived in the South during the 1950s and 1960s. Would it have been "OK" to "maximize your benefits" by beating someone of another race to death because he didn't move to the back of the bus and the police did not enforce the rules. It did happen, you know.

The purpose of rules is to keep a civilized society from "maximizing their benefits" and allow others to enjoy the rights they deserve.

No, I'm very sorry, but it does not work like that. My rights end where yours begin.

Shoplifting impinges on the right of the store to do business.

Bullying impinges on the right of the child to be happy.

The third one, being a southerner, I'm not even going to discuss with you because it's so loathsome.

The purpose of a civilized society is NOT to "keep me from maximizing my benefits".

Do you realize how communist, er, socialist you sound?

Disney has a rule they do not enforce. An unenforced rule is basically useless, in the opinion of most educated people. None of the examples you posed above are unenforced. They may not be *perfectly* enforced, but the attempt is made. Posting a sign that says "don't park here for MK" is not an enforcement, it's a passive deterrent. And there isn't even a sign that says "Parking for ADR's Limited To 3 Hours, All Others Will Be Towed." Now THAT's enforcement!

 

[Disneyrsh]

can't you tell when it's time to quit? Obviously not.

Did you even read any of that, beattyfamily? Or did you just click quote so you could laugh at me?

I'm fine with you laughing at me, but at least read it.