PA state employees not getting paid - how is this legal?

Did you miss the part about people not being paid in a timely manner for the work they performed? :sad2:
No. They are promised a paycheck when the budget issues are worked out. Based on other posts here from people in the state this is occurring in, this has happened before and the people have always been paid.

As I said before, complain all you want. But complaints and/or being right doesn't put food on the table.
 
No. They are promised a paycheck when the budget issues are worked out. Based on other posts here from people in the state this is occurring in, this has happened before and the people have always been paid.

As I said before, complain all you want. But complaints and/or being right doesn't put food on the table.

Wow, you really are fully of empathy aren't you.

These workers are still working. And they are not being paid. They are not eligible for unemployment. How do you suggest that they put food on the table?

I'd complain too if I had to show for work tomorrow and had no idea when the hell I was getting a paycheck.

And as a resident of PA, I am going to feel free to complain that the governor of my state is acting like a 2 year old and refusing to compromise.
 
From what I saw on the news this morning (when I was barely awake) they are getting paid at least 50% of their pay and I freaked out when I read this thread and saw they wanted to raise taxes to 16% I'm so glad they want to raise it only 16% talk about a heart attack!!

Me too I was frantically calculating how much work we need to do on the house before we could sell it and move to a different state.

lol whew
 
My BIL is a state employee as a Pa State Trooper. He is still getting a check as it is for time worked in June. He and my sister are going to take out the 0 interest loan to cover expesense and it will be paid back when they get their "catchup" check, with all the back pay on it. He is still working his normal shifts but if hes doing speed traps and the like they are handing out mostly warnings. That way no one can say they arent doing their job.
 

But complaints and/or being right doesn't put food on the table.

neither does the promise of a paycheck when they finally work it out, without knowing when it will be worked out.
People need to put food on the table every day not just the days the state decides to pay them for the work they are doing.
While the state is busy working out their budget, they are earning interest on money in the bank, but won't pay that interest to workers doing their jobs for no money. The thought of them saying, we'll give you low interest loans in the meantime is ridiculous, if there will be loans necessary they need to be 0%, and available to any state worker or unemployed individual who needs it.
It's a crock to say, we don't have money to pay you because we can't agree, but here, you can borrow the money you earned, and then pay it back to us with interest--aren't we kind? I think not.
 
It's a crock to say, we don't have money to pay you because we can't agree, but here, you can borrow the money you earned, and then pay it back to us with interest--aren't we kind? I think not.

I thought someone said that the credit unions were giving out 0% interest loans while this was going on. I can't imagine the gov. giving out the loans, where would they be getting the money.

I hope for the people of Pennsylvania (and all the other states with the same problem) they get this worked out soon.
 
I thought someone said that the credit unions were giving out 0% interest loans while this was going on. I can't imagine the gov. giving out the loans, where would they be getting the money.

I hope for the people of Pennsylvania (and all the other states with the same problem) they get this worked out soon.

There are a lot of unpaid workers that do not qualify for these loans for a variety of reason. And they're not all at 0%.
 
There are a lot of unpaid workers that do not qualify for these loans for a variety of reason. And they're not all at 0%.

Is the PA government close to coming up with a budget they all can agree with? And if not, are they working around the clock to try and get there?
 
What the governor has proposed is documented. Look it up and see for youself.

I did look it up and yes it is 16% on what is now paid. It took me 6 pages of archives in the newspaper to find any number to support this. I based my statement on what the TV news was reporting and they only mentioned
16%. I don't know what part of PA you are from but the news often makes statements that can be misinterpreted. While I am admitting I was mistaken based on what i heard I would like to correct you on one point. Rendell is called FAST Eddie not FAT Eddie. I was a city employee under him as is my DH and the city employees termed the phrase because of his tactics in negotiating contracts. He said one thing and did the opposite and fast talked his way around it. I am not trying to start an argument with you on any point. What I stated I thought was fact at the time and what my friend said
was also based on statements she heard. No matter how it is raised it is too much when Rendell refuses to compromise which is standard tactics for him.
 
Is the PA government close to coming up with a budget they all can agree with? And if not, are they working around the clock to try and get there?

I do not think they are close and no they are not working around the clock.
 
I did look it up and yes it is 16% on what is now paid. It took me 6 pages of archives in the newspaper to find any number to support this. I based my statement on what the TV news was reporting and they only mentioned
16%. I don't know what part of PA you are from but the news often makes statements that can be misinterpreted. While I am admitting I was mistaken based on what i heard I would like to correct you on one point. Rendell is called FAST Eddie not FAT Eddie. I was a city employee under him as is my DH and the city employees termed the phrase because of his tactics in negotiating contracts. He said one thing and did the opposite and fast talked his way around it. I am not trying to start an argument with you on any point. What I stated I thought was fact at the time and what my friend said
was also based on statements she heard. No matter how it is raised it is too much when Rendell refuses to compromise which is standard tactics for him.

I'm surprised you had trouble confirming the numbers. I found the exact figures on my first Google search.

And his nickname.... do you seriously think there is only one?? :laughing: I can think of several others that are not DIS friendly.


But I do agree with you on this:

No matter how it is raised it is too much when Rendell refuses to compromise which is standard tactics for him.
 
But not to actual employees. They did that last time and lost a fair wage lawsuit because they did not pay minimum wage. That's why state workers are being furloughed this time around instead of getting IOUs. I would imagine PA workers would fall under the same wage laws. Maybe they will sue as well
Hundreds of lawsuits have already been filed from PA state employees.

And yet come next election, these same people will continue to get voted in. People have short memories. Remember the whole pay raise thing a few years back? Nobody else did at the polls either. :sad2:

Really...

2005 Pennsylvania General Assembly pay raise controversy

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


In the early morning hours of July 7, 2005, the Pennsylvania General Assembly passed pay increases for state lawmakers, judges, and top executive-branch officials.[1] The vote took place at 2 a.m. without public review or commentary and Governor Ed Rendell signed the bill into law. The raise increased legislators' base pay from 16% to 34% depending on position.[2]




{it] Provisions

The pay raise included a provision allowing legislators to take their raises immediately in the form of "unvouchered expenses." This provision was included due to the Pennsylvania Constitution's clause prohibiting legislators from taking salary increases in the same term as which they are passed. State courts have ruled similar legislation to be constitutional on three separate occasions.

[edit] Reaction

Anger over the raise spawned several grass-roots movements, some geared toward voting out incumbents [1] and some seeking support for a Constitutional Convention or a reduction in the size of the legislature. [2] [3].

[edit] Political aftermath


Protestors from PACleanSweep in front of the Pennsylvania State Capitol in 2005.


The first victim of the public uproar was Supreme Court Justice Russell M. Nigro who became the first Pennsylvania Supreme Court Justice to be denied retention. Nigro asserted that he had not taken part in the pay raise. However, critics noted that Chief Justice Ralph Cappy helped draft the bill and that prior Court opinions upheld such practices.
On November 16, 2005, Governor Rendell signed a repeal of the pay raise after a near unanimous vote for repeal; only House Minority Whip Mike Veon voted against the repeal.[3]
Despite the repeal, a total of 17 legislators were defeated in the 2006 primary elections including Senate President Pro Tempore Robert Jubelirer and Senate Majority Leader David J. Brightbill. They were the first top-ranking Pennsylvania legislative leaders to lose a primary election since 1964.
The November 2006 General Election claimed several more members who supported the pay raise including Reps. Gene McGill, Mike Veon, Matt Wright, Tom Gannon and Matthew Good.[4] The defeats were widely attributed to anger over the pay raise.
Frank LaGrotta, who was defeated in the 2006 primary election over the pay raise issue, was one of many legislators who were paying back their unvouchered expenses in installments. After pleading guilty to two counts of conflict of interest for hiring relatives as "ghost employees," he stopped repayment and was even refunded the amount that he had previously returned.[5]
7-10-2008 HARRISBURG -- Attorney General Tom Corbett today filed charges against a dozen figures in the payroll bonus scandal, including former House Democratic Whip Michael Veon and current state Rep. Sean Ramaley. Source Pittsburgh Post Gazette.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Pennsylvania_General_Assembly_pay_raise_controversy
 
My BIL is a state employee as a Pa State Trooper. He is still getting a check as it is for time worked in June. He and my sister are going to take out the 0 interest loan to cover expesense and it will be paid back when they get their "catchup" check, with all the back pay on it. He is still working his normal shifts but if hes doing speed traps and the like they are handing out mostly warnings. That way no one can say they arent doing their job.

State Police are considered essential personnel. When this happened in New Jersey a few years ago, only essential personnel reported to work although they probably weren't going to be paid until the budget passed. The budget impasse lasted about seven or eight days...all state workers were then paid whether they worked or not...non-essential workers were told to stay home.
Those "essential personnel" received their regular pay as did the workers who stayed home...at least PA isn't talking about shutting the whole state down which is what happened here. Yes, it's stressful and unfair that any worker has to show up and contend with the possibility of not being paid on time...it's just as stressful and unfair to HAVE had to show up for work then find out that those who didn't also got their checks (and I'm not saying that they shouldn't have.) This is politics at its best (worst) with not one of our legislators being willing to make decisions that will actually save money; the main decisions that need to be made are to cut the size of government, really examine how entitlement programs are being scammed and misused, and institute freezes on any new programs (most of which always turn out to be non-selfsustaining.)
Here's the bright side for PA residents...you could live in New Jersey...where government is far worse. Great state but really lousy state government...and these guys just keep getting re-elected; doesn't say much for us, does it?
 
I don't know if this is true or not (and I apologize in advance for not researching this), but a friend told me that the Governor has also given himself a 20%+ pay raise during all of this debacle. Do any of you Pennsylvanians have any information on this?
 
I don't know if this is true or not (and I apologize in advance for not researching this), but a friend told me that the Governor has also given himself a 20%+ pay raise during all of this debacle. Do any of you Pennsylvanians have any information on this?

I'm not from Pennsylvania, and I have no idea if this is true, but if it is, this guy needs to be voted out of office.
 
I don't know if this is true or not (and I apologize in advance for not researching this), but a friend told me that the Governor has also given himself a 20%+ pay raise during all of this debacle. Do any of you Pennsylvanians have any information on this?

I'm pretty sure what you're referring to is addressed in Kycha's post.

He cannot run for reelection. This is his second term. A budget has not been passed on time a single year he's been in office. The best news is that he can pull this crap again next summer. :rolleyes1
 
My BIL is a state employee as a Pa State Trooper. He is still getting a check as it is for time worked in June. He and my sister are going to take out the 0 interest loan to cover expesense and it will be paid back when they get their "catchup" check, with all the back pay on it. He is still working his normal shifts but if hes doing speed traps and the like they are handing out mostly warnings. That way no one can say they arent doing their job.
I told my DH if he wants to speed...do it now. Before they pass the budget.lol.

Here's the bright side for PA residents...you could live in New Jersey...where government is far worse. Great state but really lousy state government...and these guys just keep getting re-elected; doesn't say much for us, does it?
I don't know. There is plenty of corruption in PA. Senator Fumo, convicted this year of 137 counts of federal corruption charges. Or the "jailing kids for cash" scandal in Luzerne County. Just to name a few.
 
Despite the repeal, a total of 17 legislators were defeated in the 2006 primary elections including Senate President Pro Tempore Robert Jubelirer and Senate Majority Leader David J. Brightbill. They were the first top-ranking Pennsylvania legislative leaders to lose a primary election since 1964.
The November 2006 General Election claimed several more members who supported the pay raise including Reps. Gene McGill, Mike Veon, Matt Wright, Tom Gannon and Matthew Good.[4] The defeats were widely attributed to anger over the pay raise.
Frank LaGrotta, who was defeated in the 2006 primary election over the pay raise issue, was one of many legislators who were paying back their unvouchered expenses in installments. After pleading guilty to two counts of conflict of interest for hiring relatives as "ghost employees," he stopped repayment and was even refunded the amount that he had previously returned.[5]
7-10-2008 HARRISBURG -- Attorney General Tom Corbett today filed charges against a dozen figures in the payroll bonus scandal, including former House Democratic Whip Michael Veon and current state Rep. Sean Ramaley. Source Pittsburgh Post Gazette.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Pennsylvania_General_Assembly_pay_raise_controversy

Considering the fact that PA has over 200 representatives and 50 senators, those numbers are hardly staggering. In our area, the incumbents won pretty well with hardly a fuss over the pay raises. I can't picture our rep ever losing a primary here.
 
I used to work for the state of PA (up until this past January), and I know the people at my old office are really upset -- as most people would be, if you were required to do your job but had no idea when you might get paid for the work. The govenor likes to talk about the no interest loans, but from what I hear, a lot of people are getting turned down for them due to bad credit scores, and they are only no interest for 60 days once the budget is passed. So if you take just a little longer to pay them back, who knows what the interest rate will be?

That being said, my fiance just accepted a job with the state at my old office. He is to start on August 17. The assistant director of the office called him Friday to offer him the job, and said that he hopes that the budget will be passed by then, but he can't guarentee that he will have a paycheck on September 11. I hope this budget mess gets worked out soon. I know people like to say that government workers are lazy, but the vast majority of the people at my old office did a good job and tried to do their best.
 
Considering the fact that PA has over 200 representatives and 50 senators, those numbers are hardly staggering. In our area, the incumbents won pretty well with hardly a fuss over the pay raises. I can't picture our rep ever losing a primary here.
Yes, but not all 250 lawmakers voted for the pay raise.
 












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