Overbooking ADR's without cancelling

[Anewman]

What happens if someone gets sick and they can't make the ADR?

The difference is INTENT.
Your example intended to make the adr, correct?
What is being debated here is taking dinning spots from other vacationers with absolutly no intent of keeping them.

We have all made appointments that we were unable to keep, and we have all been late. I doubt most of us do it intentionally.

 

[bsmcneil]

The difference is INTENT.
Your example intended to make the adr, correct?
What is being debated here is taking dinning spots from other vacationers with absolutly no intent of keeping them.

We have all made appointments that we were unable to keep, and we have all been late. I doubt most of us do it intentionally.

Right, but the example I gave was about using CC deposits, etc. If someone doesn't show to their ADR, for whatever reason, they would be charged. Good intentions doesn't mean you get away with "breaking" a rule. Now, could the CMs, in that scenario, be a little more lenient? Sure. But then the people who want many ADRs can beg and plead their way out of it, too, so where are we then? My point is that several folks started rallying behind an idea that is far from foolproof.

 

[Sonno]

We don't ALL know it's rude. I don't think it's rude. Personally, I don't think it's right for me - but that's because I don't really care for the "freedom" or spontaneity or whatever. But rude? No. I think maybe we all should step away from the computers and into the real world to see what rude really is.

It IS rude to say you are going to be somewhere at a certian time and then not show without a phone call or anything else.
Really folks, is this how you were raised to think?

 

[bsmcneil]

You have to be joking.

When other people's "options" inconvenience others, it's wrong. You can't make a reservation at five resorts to "allow yourself options". I cannot wait for the day Disney requires a credit card #.

"If you don't like it, eat at home"? Those who follow the rules are the ones who *don't* deserve to be there? Interesting how things work in your mind.

And while I agree that there are far greater moral infractions than reservation abuse, morality has a place in ALL areas of life. Morality is what you do when no one else is watching. Morality is everything.

OK...so...ok. I'm sorry but the options of the US/NC legislatures to ban gay marriage inconvenience me - so they're wrong. Or, the option of the US military to not kill every terrorist they meet inconveniences me - so they're wrong. I'm sorry but that little comment of yours doesn't hold up.

My point about the poster eating at home was that she was privileged to experience something wonderful - day in and day out if she chose. Should her wants take a backseat to the people who go to WDW once every ten years because that's all they can afford? IMNSHO, yes. It's not about her following the rules, etc - it's about the fact that she's complaining that she might not get the restaurant she wants at a travel resort. I'm a rule follower - it's in my Virgo nature. Can't understand or stand those that willingly break the rules for their own gain. On the other hand, I am not about to go to the lengths some people are on this board to be upset about a restaurant. I've seen and gone through too much for that to be of importance to me.

Is there morality when it comes to board games? What is the moral code to lawn care? I don't know that I can agree with your...simplified axiom...that morality is what you do when no one else is watching. If anything, it's what you do when you behave in right relations with everyone, regardless of who's watching.

 

[bsmcneil]

It IS rude to say you are going to be somewhere at a certian time and then not show without a phone call or anything else.
Really folks, is this how you were raised to think?

OK, well, ad hominum aside, I was raised pretty well. What is rude is implying someone has poor manners because of a stupid internet thread. But...ok.

Furthermore, do I think someone should call and cancel if they have several ADRs? Yes. Does that make it rude? No. I can't tell someone else what they should do with their life because they have to make those decisions for themselves. Also, I can't judge them because they do something I disagree with. But, since you think it is rude, you are going to believe it is no matter what I say - so be it.

 

[Anewman]

Right, but the example I gave was about using CC deposits, etc. If someone doesn't show to their ADR, for whatever reason, they would be charged.

Point taken, and very valid point at that. My INTENT remark was regarding what could be considered rudeness.
But IMO no system if perfect and I would be willing to risk my deposit.
I mean there are so many other NON-refundable situations that no one complains about. I have had numerous DODGER tickets that I could not keep because of traffic, but me not using my seats did not affect any other Dodger fans. If Dodger tickets were FREE, maybe I would have reserved about 20 seats...

 

[Biscuitsmom31]

My TA made all our ADRs for us. We've changed a couple. I hope she cancelled the ones we won't use. I would to take away someone else's opportunity to get those ADRs and I would REALLY hate to get to get to the somewhere and discover our ADR was cancelled for having multiples!
She's a great TA though, so I'm sure she cancelled them.

 

[LuluLovesDisney]

OK...so...ok. I'm sorry but the options of the US/NC legislatures to ban gay marriage inconvenience me - so they're wrong. Or, the option of the US military to not kill every terrorist they meet inconveniences me - so they're wrong. I'm sorry but that little comment of yours doesn't hold up.

My point about the poster eating at home was that she was privileged to experience something wonderful - day in and day out if she chose. Should her wants take a backseat to the people who go to WDW once every ten years because that's all they can afford? IMNSHO, yes. It's not about her following the rules, etc - it's about the fact that she's complaining that she might not get the restaurant she wants at a travel resort. I'm a rule follower - it's in my Virgo nature. Can't understand or stand those that willingly break the rules for their own gain. On the other hand, I am not about to go to the lengths some people are on this board to be upset about a restaurant. I've seen and gone through too much for that to be of importance to me.

Is there morality when it comes to board games? What is the moral code to lawn care? I don't know that I can agree with your...simplified axiom...that morality is what you do when no one else is watching. If anything, it's what you do when you behave in right relations with everyone, regardless of who's watching.

I have no idea what you are trying to say in the first part of this. A ban on gay marriage and the war in Iraq are not the same as someone keeping their options open. Many people will think these things are wrong. I just don't think you made a very effective analogy here.

You told another poster to "eat at home" but that was supposed to mean that they could experience something "wonderful" every day?

Yes, morality is very complex. (Ethics was one of my minors in college.) Yes, morality is not ONLY when no one is watching. You are correct- it *is* regardless of who's watching. I think the earlier maxim holds true because many people seem to think all that counts is image/what people think, etc. It is more important how you behave all the time- not only when someone is watching, KWIM?

Yes, there's morality associated with a board game. I wouldn't steal one, or cheat while playing one, etc. Lawn care? I suppose I wouldn't kill squirrels or cats that came in my yard. Nor would I force my 4 year old nephew to mow the lawn. My point is that people can have a moral discussion about almost anything, because people's morals are different. We cannot remove morality from the decision making process.

Here's another simplified axiom for you: treat others as you would like to be treated.

 

[bsmcneil]

You have to be joking.

When other people's "options" inconvenience others, it's wrong. You can't make a reservation at five resorts to "allow yourself options". I cannot wait for the day Disney requires a credit card #.

"If you don't like it, eat at home"? Those who follow the rules are the ones who *don't* deserve to be there? Interesting how things work in your mind.

And while I agree that there are far greater moral infractions than reservation abuse, morality has a place in ALL areas of life. Morality is what you do when no one else is watching. Morality is everything.

Finally, using your statement of "options/inconvenience" - it's your option to not have more than one ADR. It's your option to complain about people who do and to try and limit it from happening. Isn't that an inconvenience to those who want more than one ADR? And therefore, isn't it "wrong"?

 

[bsmcneil]

I have no idea what you are trying to say in the first part of this. A ban on gay marriage and the war in Iraq are not the same as someone keeping their options open. Many people will think these things are wrong. I just don't think you made a very effective analogy here.

I am saying that you said if someone exercises an option that inconveniences someone else, it's wrong. Banning gay marriage is an option by some - it inconveniences others. Or on the opposite side of the political spectrum, we could argue that not killing terrorists (and instead arresting them) is an option. It inconveniences others. It is, in your words, then wrong.

 

[bsmcneil]

I have no idea what you are trying to say in the first part of this. A ban on gay marriage and the war in Iraq are not the same as someone keeping their options open. Many people will think these things are wrong. I just don't think you made a very effective analogy here.

You told another poster to "eat at home" but that was supposed to mean that they could experience something "wonderful" every day?

Yes, morality is very complex. (Ethics was one of my minors in college.) Yes, morality is not ONLY when no one is watching. You are correct- it *is* regardless of who's watching. I think the earlier maxim holds true because many people seem to think all that counts is image/what people think, etc. It is more important how you behave all the time- not only when someone is watching, KWIM?

Yes, there's morality associated with a board game. I wouldn't steal one, or cheat while playing one, etc. Lawn care? I suppose I wouldn't kill squirrels or cats that came in my yard. Nor would I force my 4 year old nephew to mow the lawn. My point is that people can have a moral discussion about almost anything, because people's morals are different. We cannot remove morality from the decision making process.

Here's another simplified axiom for you: treat others as you would like to be treated.

What i said to the other poster was that the were privileged to eat at WDW, apparently whenver they so chose, and therefore if it was such a problem for them to be inconvenienced by others on vacation, then maybe she should find someone more amenable. Home is one option. Since people on vacation to WDW may be in his/her town and take ups eats at his/her favorite restaurant, then s/he would still have a problem. Ergo, home is probably the best/safest bet.

 

[notnothin]

It seems that someone is very passionate about allowing for multiple simultaneous ADRs. I wonder if they'd feel the same if they were denied the ability to eat at their favorite TS knowing that was the root cause. Take a deep breath ...

 

[LuluLovesDisney]

bsmcneil-

I will amend my statement to include that sometimes people are forced to make hard decisions, and sometimes all possibilites will hurt someone, in which case the "least" one is the best. Ex. It may pinch my future child to get a shot, but it it prevents disease, it is best. One cannot always avoid inconveniencing others, but when one willingly does it,when there are better alternatives, it is wrong. Is that better?

I have no need to discuss the war or gay marriage, etc. with you any further. If you feel satisfied, fine. I consider multiple ADR's on par with lying, because you know you cannot be in all those places at the same time, yet you are saying you will be.

I will always do what I know to be right.

And now, I will take your advice, though it was for Anne, and eat at home. I need a drink after reading your posts. Maybe 2.

 

[ducklite]

Regardless of the "morality" (what a laugh, morality in a discussion over reservations), you have the ability to go to a restaurant at WDW, randomly, and are upset because you may not get the table you want because people are allowing themselves options on their vacation? If it's such a problem for you, how about eating at home?

You're not getting the entire point.

I can choose to eat a lot of places. I choose to give my business to Disney.

If I can't get an ADR, I'm not going to make teh drive to "try."

If People weren't rude and selfish and didn't make ADR's they weren't going to use, then I possibly could get one.

Instead tables go empty.

And you're telling me that I'm doing something wrong?

Where I live should have no bearing on this issue. It would be the same for someone who has the opportunity to make a last minute trip.

Put the green moster away, it's highly unattractive.

Anne

Anne

 

[BCV23]

I think it is inconsiderate and selfcentered to make more than one reservation per meal.

Ditto for not cancelling any reservation if something happens and you can't make it.

I don't think a cancellation fee is very realistic for most restaurants because of the vagaries of WDW transportation system and even the fact that rides break down with people stuck on them, etc.. And even if WDW would grant some leeway, you know who would be calling to claim such an incident whether true or not.

As for using an accessible restroom because you all fit in there, please consider that some disabled people do not have the ability to "wait" while you and two or three kids use a single stall. Send the older kids in their own stall and take a regular one for toddler and you....please. You should also know that it takes people who actually do need those stalls MUCH longer to get in, get ready, etc.. Obviously there are exceptions like a mom with two year old twins, etc but ...... please think if you really truly need to use one.

A side rant but I read some idiot's posting that she and your husband liked using the companion bathrooms because it gave them more time together! Talk about selfcentered!!!!

 

[ducklite]

A CC deposit, etc is problematic for all of the people who would like to take a rare vacation to WDW and either don't have a CC or can't afford to put a deposit down.

Visa check cards would work as well, and nothing would be charged unless you were a no show.

What happens if someone gets sick and they can't make the ADR?

Many restaurants in major cities have credit card guarantees, I do'nt see the problem. People don't generally get sick at the last minute. For people who do, they can also wait to the last minute to make a ADR. OR like you suggested to me--eat at home or elsewhere.

What's the deadline for knowing when they're a no-show? 5 minutes? 10? 15? What if it's 15 and they get there RIGHT after the 15 minute mark?

15 minutes would be appropriate. Some leeway might be extended if it's an off season (restaurant not sold out) and you do ultimately show up.

Is promptness now mandatory for vacations? Especially in a park with thousands of guests and the potential for anything to hold you up (for example, with a FP, we'd have time for one ride. we ride but the thing stops to let off a few people. we're then 16 minutes late. oh well!).

Not everyone who dines at WDW restaurants is a vacationer. There are over a million people who live within an hour or so drive of WDW. There are business people there at conferences and conventions. It would be very tunnelvisioned of WDW to cater exclusively to vacationers.

If you know you have to be at an ADR, you don't risk being late by getting in one last ride. Youc an always go back after dinner. I think once I've been late for an ADR, due to a traffic accident that closed a road. I called the restaurant and let them know the situation. This allowed them to seat others with ADR's who had already arrived at my table and seat me when I arrived.

As far as flaming, look at what you did to me. Pot-Kettle.

Anne

 

[ducklite]

My point about the poster eating at home was that she was privileged to experience something wonderful - day in and day out if she chose. Should her wants take a backseat to the people who go to WDW once every ten years because that's all they can afford? IMNSHO, yes.

That's ridiculous. It's not my fault or concern that someone can only make the trip every ten years. It's ridiculous to think that someone who is able to visit often should be pushed aside for them. If anything the people who visit often--thus spending a lot of money on a regular basis--should be given priority. Because next time I might just decide that the restaurants at Universal are just as appealing. And it would hurt WDW a lot more to lose the business of someone like me than someone who visits twice in a lifetime.

But that's not the point here. The point is that people who make and hold multiple reservatiosn are selfish. Plain and simple.

Anne

 

[kaytieeldr]

I wish WDW would require a credit card hold for every ADR to put an end to ADR hogs.

ITA with this statement. I'd gladly plop down the CC for every ADR to stop this sort of activity

Me, too.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I wish Disney would start charging a deposit for each reservation made ahead of time.

Count me in!

Part of planning to me is trying to figure out what park we want to go to each day and what restaurants we want to eat at that day.

No, see, you're doing it backwards. First you decide where/what you want to eat, then you plan your park visits around that. After all, most days it's easier to get into a park than into a specific restaurant...

I agree with the CC authorization, but for me 4 TS meals x $25 deposit each is a bit much. That would be $100 that I would have to pay off on a CC and then have refunded? Or do you mean, someone would be charged $25 if they did not cancel 24 hours or more before? That would make more sense to me.

Yes, that's how they already do it at, for example, California Grill. They take your credit card number and if you don't cancel your ADR at least 24 hours in advance, you're card is charged $20 per diner.

Three.............. so you all that make multiple ressies........you are telling me you don't know a few hours ahead of time where you will be eating so you could cancel the other one or two ressies?

Heck, I know, let's see... 2,520 hours PLUS, where I will want to be eating at Walt Disney World

We don't ALL know it's rude. I don't think it's rude. Personally, I don't think it's right for me

Okay, if not rude, maybe selfish and inconsiderate?

A CC deposit, etc is problematic for all of the people who would like to take a rare vacation to WDW and either don't have a CC or can't afford to put a deposit down.

Most people have debit cards; in addition, nobody's saying put a deposit down. Simply instead that Disney should take a credit card number as a HOLD on the reservation, and if the Guest doesn't show/cancel, THEN charge card. Guests without any type of card could be given a two week deadline for receipt of a check which would not be cashed unless they didn't show up and didn't cancel.

Right, but the example I gave was about using CC deposits, etc. If someone doesn't show to their ADR, for whatever reason, they would be charged.

Yeah - if someone doesn't SHOW. Not if someone is late, which as you've indicated is possible, but if by the end of - oh, heck, by the end of that meal's hours the party doesn't show and hadn't canceled, yes, charge the card - every Guest would have been informed of the policy at the time CRO made the ADR.

 

[ducklite]

And FWIW, Hoop De Doo Review has had a credit card guarantee for as long as I can remember. Why is that any different?

Anne

 

[TheRustyScupper]

I'm going to get yelled at by all the future posters on this thread, but we also book 2-3 ADRs per meal and choose for both lunch and dinner. We do them in different parks sometimes depending on where we feel like going. We don't like being locked into a schedule. Besides, if you don't show up after fifteen minutes they give your table to someone who walks up.

I sure hope one day you can't get a much wanted ressie because someone else has done this very thing! Sure, thetable gets released, but in most occurrances, there are not people waiting for a table that don 't have ADR's because they have been told the restaurant is booked solid. This practice is nothing but selfish. Should I run across multiple ressies by you, I would certainly cancel them! Then, you can wait at the restaurant for someone who made mutliple ressies to not show up and their table is released.