OT: WWYD? alcohol

In respone to the oh really, yes really. Take a look at the statistics if you don't believe me. There is a significantly lower incidince of teenage binge drinking in Europe versus the United States. There is also a lower drunk driving rate, and a lowe incidence of alcohol related vehicle fatalities.

What statistics? You haven't posted any. What have you have posted sounds anecdotal, at best. I posted a number of articles that discuss how binge drinking is seriously increasing in many European countries.

Here's another article discussing the "healthy" drinking habits of European youths.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1823730,00.html

Recent data indicates that while alcohol consumption has generally dropped in France across all age categories over the past decade, it has begun to skyrocket among those minors who say they drink. The most recent official figures show that 12% of people under the age of 18 qualify as regular drinkers, compared with 22% among adults. However, 26% of those frequently consuming French minors admit to having been repeatedly drunk within the previous year, compared with just 5.5% among their adult counterparts. Worse still, fully half of 17-year-olds reported having been drunk at least once during the previous month.

The government has made ambitious plans to tackle the problem head-on. French Health Minister Roselyne Bachelot announced that she would scrap France's relatively permissive rules on sales of alcohol to youths. She told the Sunday paper Journal du Dimanche that she would impose a "total prohibition of alcohol sale to minors" by early 2009, and would also ban open bars during celebrations. Open-bar bashes — where participants can drink unlimited quantities of alcohol in exchange for a flat fee — have become, Bachelot says, a "classic element of student parties that encourages binge-drinking." All that underage chugging, Bachelot says, explains the 50% increase in the number of 15-to-24-year-olds hospitalized for excessive alcohol consumption between 2004 and 2007. It's also why alcohol is now the leading factor in deaths among young French people.
 
Not my business, but it makes me mad.


I was hit by an underage drunk driver, and thrown 52 feet from my car WITH MY SEATBELT ON. My cousin, who was in the passenger seat, died on impact.


I'm against it yes.
But is it any of our business?
Nope.
 
What statistics? You haven't posted any. What have you have posted sounds anecdotal, at best. I posted a number of articles that discuss how binge drinking is seriously increasing in many European countries.

Here's another article discussing the "healthy" drinking habits of European youths.

Hmmm, you have posted stats to say the problems are getting worse in EUrope than they have been in Europe before. This does not mean they are worse in Europe than in the United States.

A quick google search pulled up this article:

http://www.youthfacts.org/student1.html

The section that would seem to relate here is:
"The United States has one of the highest drinking ages in the world. In most of Europe the drinking age is 16 and for the majority of the world the drinking age is 18. Drinking rates among European teens tend to be higher, but fewer teens reported being drunk in the past 30 days. 21% of American teens versus 13% of European teens reported being drunk according to “Alcohol: Problems and Solutions,” a website dedicated to alcohol awareness and laws. "


and this:
http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/controversies/20060830115118.html

Here is what I found interesting/pretinent in the above link:
"Critics counter that a lower drinking age in some European social democracies has produced an epidemic of alcohol abuse. World Health Organization data, however, indicate huge differences among European states with similar drinking ages.

The legal drinking age seems to be less important than the culture and practices surrounding alcohol.

Even one prominently featured article in the recent New York Times critique of underage drinking, from the Archives of Pediatric and Adolescent Medicine, comments: "Italy, France, Portugal and Greece had similar or smaller percentages [of teen binge drinkers] than the United States. Whether young people in those countries are more likely to drink with family and in meal settings and whether such practices moderate risks posed by early drinking warrant study."

Such study is under way. Brown University anthropologist Dwight Heath has identified characteristics of several Southern European subcultures where teens legally drink as early as 16 but binging and the violence that often accompanies excess are much less common. These cultures teach their teens something many American politicians can't grasp - the difference between moderation and abuse. Teenagers have two equally acceptable options: (a) to abstain or (b) to drink in moderation. Parents do more than remove car keys. They teach and model in their lives the lesson that abuse of alcohol at any age is totally unacceptable."

Honestly I have seen data to support both sides of the argument presented many times over. Many (most I think) studies on teen drinking rely on teens to self report their behavoiur. This is going to skew statistics and beyond that we all know what spin can do.
 
Not my business, but it makes me mad.


I was hit by an underage drunk driver, and thrown 52 feet from my car WITH MY SEATBELT ON. My cousin, who was in the passenger seat, died on impact.


I'm against it yes.
But is it any of our business?
Nope.

I'm so sorry this happened to you. :hug:
 

When I was 10 my dad gave me a glass of whiskey straight and told me it was juice and go ahead and chug it. I did and boy did that burn like a SOB! I choked, he laughed and I never drank another drop until adulthood.

I still very rarely drink.

He's a very functional alcoholic. I can't tell if he did it because he was drunk and thought it was funny or to keep me from doing it. He also always let my brother drink beer at home because he felt it was better to have one or two with dad at 15 then have 10 with his friends and get in the car.

I wouldn't be bothered they offered it, it's more that she clearly didn't want it and her dad pushed it that bugs me. The toddler having a little beer is a bit much too. Pre-teens or teens and teaching them is one thing but toddlers is scary.
 

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