OT: "special needs" bus

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My 5 year old daughter has Moderate Austim. My family and friends accept her. Everyone else in the world does not. I have learned to speak up when needed, and ignore the rest. Choose your battles wisely. You may lose a few, but it gives the energy to keep up the fight :wave: .
 
Here's a possible reply: "You should probably thank God your children are healthy instead of making fun of children who aren't."

I know "healthy" isn't the right word, but maybe somebody can think of a better one.
 

My darling daughter, who's autistic also ride the bus with seatbelts, to school everyday. When kids make comments, I grit my teeth or ask them not to use certain words.

When adults do it, I get a little angry. One mom, waiting outside with all the kids as I was, made jokes to the kids about "here comes your bus" the first time my girl waited at the stop. I asked her not to joke like that because not only is it not funny but paints a very poor example for the other kids on how to act.

I also had that exact little chat with someone at work, who started to make a "short bus" joke in my presence. I find that remaining calm is the best way to go about it, no matter how angry I am.

So, can we all now write a letter to NBC asking them to discontinue the use of the small bus on it's summer show, "Last Comic Standing"?
 
This is my first time posting on this board, but I saw this thread while I was lurking and I just had to post my opinion.

This woman is just.. UGH. I hope karma gets her right in the BEEP.
That's descrimination. Yes, people that have DS or other developmental problems do need some assistance, but they aren't much different than any of us except from those learning disabilities. We're all people. In one word she's a butthead. She probably hasn't heard that since the ninth grade (maybe not to her face) but she is one big big butthead.
 
Honest to PETE!

I've been known to tell people "what you just said is offensive to me" "or causes me pain" and explain if they ask..

I'm beyond taking it. However, sometimes you get sideswiped and you're so gobsmacked you can't even speak....

Well next time just :furious:


kidding! :confused3
 
As the mother of a child with several disabilities, I think that often people are often overly sensitive. I do not find casual use of the word "retard" at all offensive. When it's being used in a derrogatory manner to degrade a person with reduced mental capacity, then of course it's highly offensive.

No more so than to say "you're a nutcase" or "that's psycho" to someone when they've said something off the wall, which people with mental illness should find offensive using your criteria. And I'm sure almost everyone has said that or something similar without thinking of how a person who suffers from mental illness would feel to hear it.

My son took "the special bus" and he always told people it meant he was a special person. :thumbsup2

While I do think the neighbor in the OP was rude, I think many in subsequent posts are just overly sensitive.

And BTW--the word "retard" actually means to delay or impede, and is an adjective that can describe any noun, not just a person.

Anne
 
I agree with so many of the posts here and became teary eyed by a couple.

My DS rides a special needs bus. Actually, it is the same size as other buses. It just has a big handicapped sticker on the front and back. Sometimes, if the bus needs repaired they will bring the short bus.

Really, the only circumstance I think people should use the word retarded is when they are speaking technically of a person's mental capacity in the proper forum. It may have a definition that one could say allows it to be used justly in other situations, but I have heard that same argument for nearly all racial slurs. I view this as the same thing. Obviously, it is not racial but aimed at belittling a group of people.

I too hate the way Last Comic Standing uses the little bus to transport their comedians. (However, of the few episodes I watched this year, I loved that they showcased the guy with CP, who was really a terrific comedian).

My son is "mentally retarded". His latest IQ test score came in recently:57. (I know many kids with autism have inaccurate IQ scores because they don't think like a standardized test expects.) So, when people demean something or someone by calling them "retarded", it says a lot about how they view my son. Is that overly sensivitive? Maybe. But, I am on my own private mission, albeit small in scope, to get people to stop making fun of the "small school bus" and using the word "retarded" as an adjective meant to belittle or insult. I kindly tell people that I realize they hear it all the time and it has become so common to use that it seems OK, but it isn't. I explain that my son is autistic and MR and that it deeply offends me. I continue that I hope they will consider that before they use the word again.

Another show that in the past (although, I don't recall it recently) that has regularly used the phrase "the little bus" as a negative is The Daily Show.

A few months ago, a local radio talk show host used the word autistic that I had never heard before and was floored. He was talking about his computer and getting it repaired. He described the computer's problem as "it went all autistic on me and couldn't communite with the outside world". I wrote to him, his producer and the station manager. If people start using these terms, esp. those that are heard by large numbers of people, it becomes acceptable. I did not recieve a reply form the talk show host, but I haven't heard him use the word since, either.

Getting to the neighborhood issue. I totally understand you. We live in what would be called an upper middle class neighborhood. Many people around here, want to portray that they are something they aren't, IMO. When we moved here, I took my son to the organized play groups and no one would play with him and no one would speak more than a few words to me. We now have a few friends here, but just as many will stick their noses up in the air and pass by. After 5 years it is getting better. DS is a very likable boy and is somehow sort of popular at school. Almost everyone knows him and everyone speaks to him. DS went to a summer day camp (with an aide) that is mostly used by people in this community. I picked him up early one day and to my delight without prompting from anyone about 50 kids shouted good-byes (including his name). :goodvibes He rarely plays with kids from the neighborhood. But, last spring a mom called and asked if he could come play at their house as her daughter was begging her to invite him. I tried really hard to stay calm, but I couldn't hold it in. I started crying on the phone. I explained to the lady who I never met that it was the first time my son has ever been invited in such a way to play with another child. Ended up the other mom crying, too.
Most of this happened once my son started school. I think his school does a good job of helping him fit in and encouraging diversity. Maybe the school or a teacher could break the ice.

Enough of my mini-novel.
 
ducklite said:
I do not find casual use of the word "retard" at all offensive. When it's being used in a derrogatory manner to degrade a person with reduced mental capacity, then of course it's highly offensive.

No more so than to say "you're a nutcase" or "that's psycho" to someone when they've said something off the wall, which people with mental illness should find offensive using your criteria. And I'm sure almost everyone has said that or something similar without thinking of how a person who suffers from mental illness would feel to hear it.

Anne - I take my cue from people who have disabilities. Scores of them have told me that that word is offensive and hurtful to them, no matter what context it is used in, so that is why I don't use it and I think others shouldn't either. And actually, I know people with mental illness who are offended by those other words you mentioned too. I don't really know of any good reason to use any derogatory terms. They are all put-downs.

As humans, we seem to have this need to separate ourselves from each other by pointing out how we are better than the next person and our language reflects that. I wish this was not in our nature. Barrie
 
ducklite said:
I do not find casual use of the word "retard" at all offensive.

Well.... That's your opinion... and you're entitled to it..... but since you don't seem to have a cognative impairment, your opinion holds very little weight with me.
 
MightyMom said:
Well.... That's your opinion... and you're entitled to it..... but since you don't seem to have a cognative impairment, your opinion holds very little weight with me.

I don't, but my son does, and the word is not offensive to him either--in fact he uses it to describe absurdities pretty regularly. He's able to seperate personal attack from general commentary.

Like I said, have you ever said "that's crazy?" or "He's nuts!" in reaction to someone's behaviour? If so, then have you thought you might be offending a person with mental illness? (This doesn't bother my son either, because again, it's a general commentary as opposed to a personal attack.)

By your terms, the term "fire retardent" to describe a chemically treated textile is offensive.

Anne
 
ducklite said:
I don't, but my son does, and the word is not offensive to him either--in fact he uses it to describe absurdities pretty regularly. He's able to seperate personal attack from general commentary.

Like I said, have you ever said "that's crazy?" or "He's nuts!" in reaction to someone's behaviour? If so, then have you thought you might be offending a person with mental illness? (This doesn't bother my son either, because again, it's a general commentary as opposed to a personal attack.)

By your terms, the term "fire retardent" to describe a chemically treated textile is offensive.

Anne

Hi Anne - Think you hit the nail right on the head. We are not talking about a textile, we are talking about a human being. Its highly offensive in that its been generally used in a derogatory fashion to describe persons with developmental disabilities of all kids across the last several decades. Im sure your aware, and if you cannot (or will not) see its offensive characteristics, I invite you to practice the following excercise over the next month or so. Every time your son might use that word R****** insert in its place instead - a commonly frowned upon racial slur, and ask yourself, if you would be proud of your kids perpetuating that message. If the answer is no........then I suggest you reevaluate your stance. Why is it so clear to all , the negative impact when you are talking about 'racisism'. However, when an identical comment is made about another vital segment of society - those with developmental differences - its acceptable.
 
ducklite said:
By your terms, the term "fire retardent" to describe a chemically treated textile is offensive.
Anne

The word RETARDANT is used in part with the word fire or flame to describe something that can not catch fire.

Although the words retarded and retardant sound similar...... they are two different words completely and are in no way related. I think you failed to prove your point with that comparison.

It's fortunate that your son can differentiate between using a slang term and a personal insult. The vast majority of those who have been diagnosed with a cognative deficit can not tell the difference.

It is heartbreaking to watch a child be taunted and teased by his peers....only to laugh along with them because he has no idea he's being made fun of.

I suppose there are lots of terms and phrases people may take offense to. If I've ever inadvertently said something insulting, I would hope someone would correct me. If someone with a mental illness told me they were offended by me using the word "crazy"..... I would stop. (Although I think the word "crazy" has a vast array of definitions and has never been used as derogatory term as the word "retarded" has.)

You are now aware that MANY people find the word "retarded" used loosely VERY OFFENSIVE.

Now that you know how offensive many people find the slang use of the world "retarded", will you stop using it and correct your child when he does?
 
That was my last comment on this thread. I see this has the potential to turn very ugly as things typically do when a subject this sensitive is discussed in an open forum.
 
I don't usually frequent this forum but this thread caught my attention. I am a pre-service teacher (last year) and would never let my students belittle someone in the ways discussed. Words and phrases have power. It's not the word in and of it self, or even the context that's the issue. It's the fact that someone else is hurt by them. And that's more than enough reason to not use them in my book. :thumbsup2

However, I have encountered a problem with regards to this issue. In order to avoid the stigma of certain words/phrases we come up with new ways of expression. For example: common words in the past to describe a mental defficancy have included "retarded," "abnormal," "challenged," "handicapped," "special," etc. As each of these terms develops a distressingly negative connotation a new politically correct way of phrasing comes in.

In the system I am in children with special needs are refered to (when it is necessary to do so) as "a child with an exceptionality," or "____ has an exceptionality in the area of..." This ensures person first language and I thought got us away from the stigma and hurt certain words can cause. Then a short while ago I heard on the playground: "What are you, exceptional, or something??"

I sometimes feel that you try and you try but that no matter what you cannot enforce empathy and understanding. The word we use now will soon become just as hurtful as the words used previously as people infuse them with shame and mocking. So I guess my question is - how do you deal with this?
 
I haven't read through this entire thread, but I have a son with a neurological impairment and I do find the word retarded offensive, however, I did have to develop a thick skin. DH even uses it at times, in fact tonight he called me a retard and I said, "A what?" and then he realized. Unfortunately, I think it's a sign of the times.

I majored in special ed in college and a professor told us that the words "idiot" and "moron" were in fact, scientific terms in the 40's and 50's used to describe people with disabilities. I think that is true. The use and definition of them changed until they became the common words we use a lot today.

I, for one, am glad that we use terms like "cognitive impairment" b/c I can't imagine children calling each other names like that. Or someone saying the little yellow bus looks like the "cognitively impaired bus."

As for dealing with a neighbor calling it a retarded bus, yeah that would tick me off. I'd probably have to say something... My cousin last fall (who is near 40) was bragging to me about how she "acts retarded" in stores to embarrass her husband. As a former special ed teacher and a mother of a child with special needs, I was MAD. :furious: I told her that it's not funny and who is she to blah blah blah... I just went off. Some people just don't realize.
 
My daughter is 21 with mental and physical disabilities. I tried to put up with people using the word "retard" because I knew they were ignorant. But I honestly cannot accept any human being using that word to describe something they think is weird etc.

Ducklite you say you have a child with disabilites and it actually shocks me that you think using that word is fine. No it isn't fine and never will be!! You say we are over sensitive and I say you are not sensitive enough! I always address the person who uses the word in a derogotory way. It isn't nice and it hurts. Anyone who thinks it's fine to use that word is indeed ignorant. Every person and thier families that I know with a loved one that is retarded says it hurts them and angers them when someone uses the word like that. It isn't being over sensitive - it's called having a heart and caring about those afflicted!
 
Purple Princess said:
Ducklite you say you have a child with disabilites and it actually shocks me that you think using that word is fine. No it isn't fine and never will be!! You say we are over sensitive and I say you are not sensitive enough!

She mentioned her child wasn't bothered by it either. Do you think her child WITH the disability is insensitive, too?
 
MightyMom said:
The word RETARDANT is used in part with the word fire or flame to describe something that can not catch fire.

Although the words retarded and retardant sound similar...... they are two different words completely and are in no way related. I think you failed to prove your point with that comparison.

No, you missed the point. Both have the same root word which means "slow."

And like another poster later in this thread pointed out, the words "idiot" and "moron were, and still are used clinically to describe a cognetively impaired individual. Can you honestly say you never use either word or a derivitive of them?

As I said before, there is a big difference between using a word towards a person in a derrogatory and belittling manner, and using a word to describe a situation or set of circumstances which have nothing to do with a person with an impairment.

You could also use the word abnormal to describe someone with a cognitive disability. Do you now propose we make it politically incorrect to use that word? How about "special"? "Challenged"? "Impaired"? Where does it end?

Anne
 
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