OT - Kids not sleeping... EVER!! Update AGAIN!

Just stick to your guns. Let them understand that they can cry, but you are not coming in the room. 3 years old is old enough to understand. Unfortunately I did this with my 1st. (incidentally at about age 3) I work nights and my ex would allow her to fall asleep on the sofa watching TV and then carry her to bed. When I expressed my dislike of this habit, because I thought she needed a regular bedtime and routine, he then started laying down with her until she fell asleep. This didn't work well for him, because he would invariably fall asleep, too. Then he was up at 3 or so in the morning because he fell asleep at 7:30-8. This was not a good thing when he had to be at work in the AM. We set up a bedtime routine. Brush teeth, wash face, read a bedtime story, then sleep. Well, that's when all h*ll broke loose. She
wanted to watch TV. Then she wanted someone to lay down with her. When she didn't get her way she got out of bed. When he put her back to bed, and told her not to get out again, she screamed, and screamed! He was finally so fed up and disgusted that he shut the door and let her. She eventually fell asleep. The next couple of nights she did some crying and whining, but eventually got the idea that it wouldn't work, and accepted it and went to bed by herself. The 1st night she slept all night without issue we made a big deal out of it. After a week of good sleeping we rewarded her with a trip to Chuck-E-Cheese. It went well from there.

I think other posters are wise with the advice of "don't start something you don't want to continue." Set up bedtime and naps the way you want it and stick to it. Good luck! No sleep sucks!

As for TV's in bedrooms, I am against it. Were it up to them, my kids would run the thing 24-7. The American Academy of Pediatrics is against it, too. Here is a brief article about TV and sleep disturbance.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/104/3/e27
 
Well, I certainly agree that you need to do what is best for your family and I certainly wasn't trying to offend. I am glad that you found a solution for your family. However, I am not the one who has done all the research on the negative influences of T.V. and I stand by my original statement. I could easily name a dozen parents who have lamented to me over the years at teacher conferences about their problems with T.V. in their kids' bedrooms. Also, my cousin has always had her boys sleep with the T.V. on which has caused a lot of problems which I don't feel comfortable posting. Just trying to keep the OP from a similar situation. :goodvibes

OP - I hope things are going well. Stay strong.:thumbsup2

And many times there is research on an issue and then reresearch that disputes the original research. My only point was that for some people it may be ok and for others not. It is an individual thing. For us it was a godsend and this child sleeps the best of all of them. To each their own.

OP, actually your first night didn't sound so bad. Stick to your new routine and it will be easier on everyone once the new rules are fully understood as much as a little one can, and are always followed. Good luck.
 
Wow -- I can't imagine toughing it out for 30 nights! I think I'm at the point of just accepting that my DS isn't a big sleeper. He may never go to bed early. People who have kids that sleep from 8-8 just amaze me!! (sorry to hijack slightly!)


Until I had my twins that sleep 12 hours a night, I really thought people were lying when they said that their kids slept thru the night. I did not belive that kids could sleep 12 hours. I would have been happy with 4 consecutive hours!

It really did get eaiser like you said "just accecpting" that is the key. I was and still am not able to change the way he sleeps. It is who he is and that is that.

I really feel for everyone going thru this, When I stared going thru this people were not supportive and thought I was just being a winey 1st time mom and that dove me nuts. Hang in there eveyone and get some rest!!!!
 

I know it is too late for tonight, but I have a suggestion that worked for my DD.

We started using Melatonin on her around 3.5 yrs to help get her in a better sleep pattern. It is all natural, so it is not a sleeping aid type drug. We started out with 1 mg in her milk before bed and within 15-30 mins she was out. She slept all night long for the first time ever that first night! We kept that up for about a month or so until she got into a good rhythm and then we stopped. Every once in a while we need to give her one, especially after a long day and she is overtired, but now at 6.5 yrs she sleeps so much better. No multiple night wakings, no late nights, no early mornings. It was a life saver for us.

Whatever you do, you just have to be consistant. Good luck tonight!
 
I hope you're sleeping now.....if not...:hug: -lots of them!!! I vaugely remember the sleepless nights, mainly because I was the only one doing them. We had the whole binky issue, every night she would cry "my binkie!" I would stumble in 4 or 5 times per night to "it's over there" ( so nice and considerate of her to point it out for tired mommy) Finally one night I had enough. I bought 7 of those suckers and put them all in her crib. Then I asked her to pick one up. She did. Then I told her Mommy could'nt pick them up and when she woke up without it, she had to find it. ( because you can rationalize with a 17 month old ) The first night was terrible.The dog even went downstairs to find a more quiet place to sleep. The second night, same thing, till about 2am-ish when I heard "oh, there it is" and that wonderful "slurp slurp" noise. :cloud9:

Now she's 10 and I can't pry her out of my bed to save my life. But at least she isn't waking me up every hour. :) But that's a whole other ball of wax!

Good luck...I know stopping naps at 21 months ( one of the best days of my life!) were a Godsend.
 
I would leave the TV as a very last resort. I think I read somewhere that having the TV on while sleeping doesn't let the brain get into the deepest form of sleep.

If you can't find several other binkies, I'd toss the one she has. Does she have a younger cousin/friend she could "give" it to (wrap it up and let her give them the gift)? Maybe the binkie fairy could come and trade it for a big girl stuffed animal that would be easier to find in her bed. You could try cutting the end off of the binkie so she's not getting any satisfaction from sucking on it, that might make it easier to get rid of.

I agree w/the white noise machine for both kids rooms. Heck, you might want to invest in one for your room as well, so you don't hear the crying :rotfl: . JK

If you do the light on a timer, I would suggest setting it to turn the light on at 6 AM (or whatever time you think is appropriate) and she has to stay in bed (and quiet) until the light turns on.

My friend was having an awful time getting her infant to stay asleep through the night. The biggest issue was the baby waking up her DS3, who is on the autistic spectrum, and not a happy camper when he's woken up :eek: . She really resisted trying crying it out, even though she constantly commented about how DS sleeps and she knew we let him cry it out for 2 nights before he caught on (he was only about 6 mo at the time). She had tried a few times to let her DD CIO, but always gave in because she couldn't stand the crying (she's a puker too). Finally she got desperate enough to just let her cry, and three nights later her DD started sleeping through the night (w/o any puking). I will say that I told my friend to sleep in their basement while they were doing CIO (they have a futon down there) so the crying wasn't so intense to listen to, and put on some music if she needed something else to drown out the sound (she could watch the monitor for sound and her DH was upstairs). It was tough, but she was at the end of her rope and just needed to sleep. Now she wonders why she didn't try it earlier :rolleyes: . Funny thing is she swore by CIO just a week later when another mom in our club was asking about getting their infant to sleep (BTW the other mom converted to CIO quickly).

Do you have a relative nearby who might come and be the bad cop for a couple of nights to get the ball rolling? My friend I mentioned earlier couldn't understand why the kids slept through the night, but only at grandma's house. I finally told her it's because grandma didn't get up when they cried and they knew it, so they didn't even bother trying.

Stay strong, you can do it. You deserve to get some sleep before it really negatively affects your health (more sleep also helps with weight loss, since you mentioned the treadmill). You won't be any help to anyone if you're sick.
 
First I just want to say thanks for all the thoughts and kind words. It really helps to know that other people are going through this too (though DH doesn't believe it, he thinks its just us!!)

Hey SharpMom! You've helped me out in the past on one of your other threads, and now it looks like I get a chance to pass it on and help you out. It sounds like you already know what to do, but you really do have to let them cry it out. It seems harsh, and when my dd 3 was 1, my husband had to practically lock me in our room so that I would not go running in there everytime she cried. I hated it while we were going through it, but the reward two days later of getting a full nights sleep was wonderful. We did the same thing with ds 9 months when he was about five months (after he started showing us he could sleep through the night) and he has been a wonderful sleeper. Kids are VERY smart, and if they can find a way to get what they want, they will.

Good luck and I hope you get some sleep soon!!!
 
I And I'm sure I'm going to get flamed for this one but I'm being honest.

I was scared out of my mind that she would fall getting out of the crib or fall walking down the stairs in the dark and break her neck. So that very first night when she got out of the crib after about 4 times of putting her back to bed I made my DH turn the doorhandle around on her bedroom door so that it locked from the outside.

No flames here...our pediatrician told us to do this when our DS 2 was getting up every night and walking around the house. He would get up and come in our room at first then he figured out we would just put him right back to bed so he just stopped waking us up. I would find him asleep in different places in the morning (one time even under my desk!?!) Anyway I told our dr and he said it was safer than him wandering around the house at night. He cried the first couple nights and would sleep right by the door, but then he finally just stayed in bed all night.

I'm with the "don't start something you don't want them to continue" you need to be strong and keep it up.

BTW: I didnt finish reading all the posts...
 
We slept through the night!!!!!


We put them down around 7.45 or so (DD3 never napped yesterday, but DD19m took 2, one ending around 5pm), and they slept through till like 6.15-6.30!! DH and I went to sleep around 8.30 (so pathetic!!!) so at least we got a lot of sleep!!! I swear, I will never let my kids out of their rooms again unless there is puke or diarrhea involved! :lmao: I don't have a problem with going into DD3s room when she first starts crying, just to try and calm her down, and let her know that theres no way shes getting out, but after that, I'm done. Aahhh, sleep is good.... I can actually get on the treadmill today without worring that I'm going to fall off due to passing out! Thanks everyone, for all kind words :goodvibes - Really, I knew what I needed to do (let them cry it out), I just needed to know that others have gone through this, and that its OK to do it. :goodvibes


mamaLori05 - What words of wisdom :laughing: did I actually have that helped you out?? Must have been back when I was getting sleep and my brain was actually functioning!
 
Yee Haa! Taking the naps away from a 3 year old is what we had to do also.

It is so nice to sleep agian, isn't it?

Have a good day! And I will pray for you again tonight!

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Yeah, BABY!!!! I'm happy for you! Enjoy your early bedtimes til you get caught up on sleep, too - no shame in that. Congrats!!!!
 
YAY YOU!!!!!!

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these are all the things you can do with sleep!!!!!!!!!!!
 
you've got 2 more nights :)

I've always found once you get 3 nights in a row of a new sleep pattern (new room, earlier bedtime, crying, etc.), you are golden.

the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned on... do you see it ? :)
 
Although I'm extreemly happy about last night, we have a bit of a bump in the road for tonight. DH and I are going out (don't get excited, were going to a AA baseball game :faint: ) and the grandparents are watching the girls. I don't think they would ever let them cry it out, nor would I really want them to. I don't really think it will set us back to far though, since it will be grandma and grandpa letting them out of their rooms, not mommy and daddy. Plus, they are usually so tired after spending a few hours with the grandparents, they are usually good to go for a night.... we will see!
 
Although I'm extreemly happy about last night, we have a bit of a bump in the road for tonight. DH and I are going out (don't get excited, were going to a AA baseball game :faint: ) and the grandparents are watching the girls. I don't think they would ever let them cry it out, nor would I really want them to. I don't really think it will set us back to far though, since it will be grandma and grandpa letting them out of their rooms, not mommy and daddy. Plus, they are usually so tired after spending a few hours with the grandparents, they are usually good to go for a night.... we will see!

Congrats on the night of sleep!!! I wouldn't worry too much about tonight....like you said it will be grandma and grandpa doing it, not you. They have already learned that you mean business!!

Oh, and as for your advice, you helped me out on your weighloss thread. Just what to eat and to try exercising twice a day.
 
We slept through the night!!!!!


We put them down around 7.45 or so (DD3 never napped yesterday, but DD19m took 2, one ending around 5pm), and they slept through till like 6.15-6.30!! DH and I went to sleep around 8.30 (so pathetic!!!) so at least we got a lot of sleep!!! I swear, I will never let my kids out of their rooms again unless there is puke or diarrhea involved! :lmao: I don't have a problem with going into DD3s room when she first starts crying, just to try and calm her down, and let her know that theres no way shes getting out, but after that, I'm done. Aahhh, sleep is good.... I can actually get on the treadmill today without worring that I'm going to fall off due to passing out! Thanks everyone, for all kind words :goodvibes - Really, I knew what I needed to do (let them cry it out), I just needed to know that others have gone through this, and that its OK to do it. :goodvibes


mamaLori05 - What words of wisdom :laughing: did I actually have that helped you out?? Must have been back when I was getting sleep and my brain was actually functioning!



Yeah for you :banana: :banana: :banana:
 
yeahh you finally got some sleep.. Welcome back to the land of the living. please keep up what your doing ( unless there sick ) I am sure everyone was rotting for you and i am glad you finally got sleep :)
 


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