Oprah goes too far again.

[cardaway]

The person who has exploited them the most lately... Oprah.

Unless of course she is donating all the profits to shelters for girls who can't help themselves because of the male machine.

 

[auntpolly]

The person who has exploited them the most lately... Oprah.

Unless of course she is donating all the profits to shelters for girls who can't help themselves because of the male machine.

Why just Oprah? Why should anyone make money on a tv show, then? I guess all the news shows should donate their profits. All the talk shows? All the children's shows? We get it, you hate Oprah, but you aren't being logical.

Besides, Oprah already donates part of her profits to charities.

 

[beckmrk04]

A good amount of time was spent ripping on the people who run, or appear on, the Girls Gone Wild series. Which was the parts that Oprah should be nailed by the FCC for if the FCC has any credability and not just a case by case tool for somebody else in government, but I digress... These women didn't do anything they didn't want to yet it's the "male machine".

Is it really jealousy over the others looks? Upset that these women have control and they don't? I don't know, but it sure he looked like a new female version of the he-man woman haters club.

I couldn't disagree more.

It has nothing to do with being jealous- or we all would be working our butts off and parading our bare chests around.

he fact of the matter is that these girls are going out, getting sloppy drunk, and showing off their bodies for what? Male attention. The question you should be asking is why do they feel like they have to do that to have self worth? They aren't even getting paid! Even Oprah made that point. At this rate, they are nothing more than free strippers, which really makes them kind of stupid.

AND- these girls are being taken advantage of when they are intoxicated- you can't sign legal documents while intoxicated, but oh- let's TALK THEM INTO taking off their clothes or a soft core sex show in the shower- and the girls will do it for the attention.

And the music industry is run by men, predominantly, and women need to be exposed to the issues to be able to make choices like: "Ok, I am not going to take off my clothes and booty dance for money because I am worth more than my body and my sexuality."

You obviously have a beef with Oprah- and that's fine, I think she's a bit much lately too, but maybe we didn't see the same show the other day. Because these are real issues, Oprah didn't invent them. She didn't blame all men- that wasn't the case AT ALL.

 

[littleclover]

this sounds more like an Oprah bashing thread instead of the real issue which is the state of our girls and the education system in our country today. Showing my age here, but in the 80's when I was a teen, I would NEVER have thought of showing my body the way girls today do so at the drop of a hat! Just walk the mall and see how much skin is shown or how the girls are acting.

I am very much trying to teach my son to find a girl who has self respect for herself, her image, her body and how she treats others.

 

[cardaway]

She didn't blame all men- that wasn't the case AT ALL.

No, she invites guests to come and do that for her. Did you miss Dr. Robin's comments and Oprah agreeing to it all?

 

[Pooh67_68]

I don't know who's side this is gonna help, but if you want a good example of girls doing dumb things...

Did anyone see the red carpet of a recent music awards show? Snoop Dogg, showing up with 2 young (supposed adult) women wearing nothing but a bikini, dog collar and leash. WTH!!

 

[beckmrk04]

No, she invites guests to come and do that for her. Did you miss Dr. Robin's comments and Oprah agreeing to it all?

No, I watched the whole show. And Robin did make points about men, that were obviously directed at the men who perpetuate these businesses/ideals about women, in which case- they ARE to blame, because they don't see anything wrong with the whole scenario!

The GGW owner has made a fortune off of drunk girls parading themselves for no compensation, sometimes to find it (to their horror) on the internet or on a tv commercial later. It's disgusting. Why should he be making money off of this? AND- WHO IS BUYING IT? Men. Men who obviously think it's cool that drunk girls are being taken advantage of.

So yeah- I guess men are a little to blame. But we all have a responsibility to stand up and say, "Hey, this isn't right."

 

[kdibattista]

And BTW: how is it that she can play these vidoes with FCC banned words on them but when other shows dicuss what was said on her show, they have to bleep those words. Is Oprah above the FCC?

Agreed... there is a complete double standard

 

[cardaway]

this sounds more like an Oprah bashing thread instead of the real issue which is the state of our girls and the education system in our country today.

I don't care for Oprah at all, but more often than not I think she's harmless.

Not this time. The whole episode was totally one sided (didn't admit that girls and women are actually doing better than boys and men in school) and seemed to be nothing but a division creating male bashing fest, but maybe you have to be male to see it that way.

 

[auntpolly]

Agreed... there is a complete double standard

Again, though, how is this Oprah's fault? Blame the FCC. Blame the religious right for making it this way in this country. Blame our government for chipping away at our personal freedoms.

You want them to harass Oprah like they did Howard? You want more of that?

 

[RadioNate]

I saw the show and didn't get that at all. It was more about girls distroying themselves by dumbing themselves down and acting like a bunch of Paris Hilton's.

I don't think anyone was blaming men in general.

I don't think men can understand how women do dumb themselves down. I admit I did do it as a teen. I even admit to doing it as an adult.

The 'it' girls in the media today are trashy and discusting. I'm as liberal as they get but I wouldn't want my daughter acting like any of them.

 

[beckmrk04]

I don't care for Oprah at all, but more often than not I think she's harmless.

Not this time. The whole episode was totally one sided (didn't admit that girls and women are actually doing better than boys and men in school) and seemed to be nothing but a division creating male bashing fest, but maybe you have to be male to see it that way.

That's not what the show was about. The show was about girls who are parading their sexuality for male attention. Not about how many girls are in college, or how smart they are. That's great, we know it's true, but they had to focus on the issue.

I didn't see it as a male bashing fest at all. I see it as pointing out something inherently wrong in our society- women are taking part of it and men are benefitting. That was the message I got. Of course, if you're biased against Oprah in the first place, you might be looking for every negative you can find instead of focusing on the issue of the show, which was girls parading their sexuality not for their OWN benefit, but for the benefit of men, and getting NOTHING in return. It's sad.

 

[Teejay32]

The person who has exploited them the most lately... Oprah.

Unless of course she is donating all the profits to shelters for girls who can't help themselves because of the male machine.

Like I said, I don't watch her, but I can imagine a GGW video has a different impact when it's not on 12am commercial, but on a daytime talk show instead, where people have legitimate concerns. The short version: it's soft porn. Male-dominated industry, leans toward exploitation, yadda yadda...but gone mainstream, which irritates people.

Personally I have more a problem with the "industry" part of Male-Dominated Industry than I do the "male", but to each her own...it doesn't have to be a women vs. men thing unless you make it one.

 

[Crankyshank]

I don't care for Oprah at all, but more often than not I think she's harmless.

Not this time. The whole episode was totally one sided (didn't admit that girls and women are actually doing better than boys and men in school) and seemed to be nothing but a division creating male bashing fest, but maybe you have to be male to see it that way.

and maybe you have to be a woman to understand what was being talked about and how it's becoming more prevalent.

How girls perform in school has nothing to do with the subject. I can give you plenty examples, myself included, of girls who excelled in school but kept it on the QT in order to impress guys. It wasn't about intelligence- it was about the need to dumb themselves down outside of the classroom because they feel it's the only way they can impress and they are emulating celebrities who are successful because they act like "stupid girls"

 

[cardaway]

The GGW owner has made a fortune off of drunk girls parading themselves for no compensation, sometimes to find it (to their horror) on the internet or on a tv commercial later. It's disgusting. Why should he be making money off of this? AND- WHO IS BUYING IT? Men. Men who obviously think it's cool that drunk girls are being taken advantage of.

So yeah- I guess men are a little to blame. But we all have a responsibility to stand up and say, "Hey, this isn't right."

So you mention being drunk but only place the blame on men?

You are not going to get the men alive today to take the blame for how women have been acting for ages.

 

[beckmrk04]

And if girls are sooo smart (not debating this) then WHY are they still going out and playing dumb and taking off their clothes? PLenty of those girls ARE smart, I'm sure, in the book sense, anyway, but obviously have no self-esteem or self-worth, because if you have any,you don't have to take your clothes off or make out with girls for attention.

Go out and do something worthwhile!! Write a book, make a movie, change the world- and keep your clothes on. Enjoy your sexuality on your own terms, not for the gratification on men who are ogling you at a bar or worse yet the millions who now have them on tape at home.

These "smart" girls are going to someday want to run for office, and guess what's coming back to haunt them?

 

[beckmrk04]

So you mention being drunk but only place the blame on men?

You are not going to get the men alive today to take the blame for how women have been acting for ages.

I DID NOT ONLY PLACE THE BLAME ON MEN.

Read all of my posts.

 

[RadioNate]

A good amount of time was spent ripping on the people who run, or appear on, the Girls Gone Wild series. Which was the parts that Oprah should be nailed by the FCC for if the FCC has any credability and not just a case by case tool for somebody else in government, but I digress... These women didn't do anything they didn't want to yet it's the "male machine".

Is it really jealousy over the others looks? Upset that these women have control and they don't? I don't know, but it sure he looked like a new female version of the he-man woman haters club.

What were you watching? She didn't rip the girls on GGW. She did rip the 'producers' tatics of specifically targeting drunk girls and coercing them into participating FOR FREE. These people make millions off these girls and they get nothing...like she said, that is stupid.

The GGW recruiter was just sad. Her proudest moment was winning a thong contest.

I don't know why you are taking FCC. I don't rememer seeing any of the actual GGW footage. Any way the FCC doesn't investigate w/out complaints. If you think their was a voilation make a complaint. www.fcc.gov

 

[cardaway]

Of course, if you're biased against Oprah in the first place, you might be looking for every negative you can find instead of focusing on the issue of the show, which was girls parading their sexuality not for their OWN benefit, but for the benefit of men, and getting NOTHING in return.

They got exactly what they were looking for, attention. Shame on the men for giving it to them.

 

[beckmrk04]

They got exactly what they were looking for, attention. Shame on the men for giving it to them.

Exactly!

They are both to blame. It's a bigger societal issue than GGW.

It is a question of "Why is this going on in the first place?"