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brockash

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Honestly, I don't really know where to start, but hopefully I don't ramble too long and some of this makes sense. I've been married for 9 years (got married way to young ect.) and we have 2 wonderful kids. So, here's my dilemma.

About 2 months ago, my dh was coming home from work and we were talking on the phone, and he said that he had hurt his hand at the gym, we eventually got off the phone, because he said his hand hurt (I didn't care, I was making dinner, not a big deal at all.) I heard the garage door open and I went out to help him bring his stuff in, because he had hurt his hand. Well he was on the phone (again not a big deal, but I did give him crap (jokingly) about telling me he had to get off the phone, but then being on the phone when he pulled in.) I could tell immediately that something was off. He held the phone down while handing me his stuff (I think to try to act like he wasn't on it:confused3) and tried to pull the door shut, but I made sure I stood in the way, because he was acting weird. I asked him who he was talking to and he told me "Ben"-he's friend of his, and they do talk a lot ect. Well he was just acting kinda strange, and I can almost always tell when he's talking to a guy as oppose to when he's talking to a girl on the phone, and he gets off the phone by saying, "yeah pretty much." -I asked him again, so you were talking to Ben? and he said yes, and I said, huh it didn't sound like that. So, it had always stuck in the back of my mind, but I had other things going on, and just kinda forgot about it for a while. In the meantime our cell phone bill was a little higher the last 2 months, because he went over his mins. We went through the detail of the phone numbers on the bill, and I noticed a few numbers that came up a lot, but he said one was "Ben" and he wasn't sure what the other numbers were, but they must have just been ppl. at work. I noticed that one of the calls was at 2 in the morning, on a day he had off and I was out of town with the kids. He again said that must have been "Ben," as they had been working on his car (which is at least somewhat true, because Ben had been over before I went out of town, with the kids, to work on my dh's car.

Fast forward to Tuesday night, he fell asleep early, and when I went to bed, I checked his phone to make sure his alarm was set, and it showed a miss call, which wasn't the same number that he'd been talking a lot too, but very similar and reminded me about it. I clicked on "Ben" on his contact list to see what his number was, well yes it was one of the numbers he talks to a lot, but NOT the number that he had talked to at 2am, and NOT the number that he was talking to the night he came home from work with a hurt hand (so he obviously lied to me about that. I plugged in the number that was on our bill detail, and it came up as the contact "monster" on his phone...obviously not a real name.
So, the next morning I asked him about it and he said (with his voice shaking a little) that it was a girl that works at GNC (he's a major gym guy and has been for years,) and that he didn't tell me because he knew I'd "flip out," because I'm a girl. Just want to put in here that he's way more jealous than I've ever been. He tried to play it off like he didn't talk to her that much and that she just had questions about losing weight, that she tells him when stuffs on sale and he listened to some sob story about how her grandmothers trying to get custody of her kids. He said that she did go to the gym with him and "Ben" twice.
Obviously I'm mad that he ;ied to me, but then I went online and started looking more into the bill detail of our phones, and he's had as much as hour conversations with this woman, they've texted as much as 86 times a day (he has always said he doesn't like texting ect.) They've texted at 5 in the morning when he goes to work, and it was her he was talking to at 2 in the morning, and he texted her at 4 in the morning, literally 2 mins. after I walked out the door to head out of town with the kids. He texted me a few mins. later to say to have a good flight ect., but got out of bed to first text her on a sat. morning.
I questioned him about all of this and he said the texting her at 4 in the morning the day I left, was just saying "vacation," -to basically make a joke that he was on vacation, because we were out of town for a week, and it was "all in fun." He said he didn't remember talking to her at 2am, but he's sure it was nothing. He said that she's just someone that he can talk to, that he listens to her crap and she listens to his, and the texts at 5am, is just a "good morning" because she used to have to get up around the same time.
What the hell????
He swears nothing physical has ever happened and says she's not attractive at all (not that it matters.) He said that she's just a "friend." He is a talker and will talk anyones hear off, however he doesn't even really like females and he's never had a female friend, or talked to a female on the phone like this ect.
In all honesty, even if nothing physical happened, it really doesn't make that big a difference to me, I'm just done. I've gone through throwing up, not sleeping at all, hardly eating, crying ect., but I'm just done. We have two kids which really need to be our first priority, and honestly I'm thinking about telling him that I think it may be better if we do stay "married," just for the sake of the kids, and that we should be polite, friendly communicate openly about the kids ect., but I really just can't have him touch me. I just can't. There has to be a point that I respect myself, and I really just can't.

As far as staying together for the kids, I know it sounds dumb, but I'm a kid of divorced parents, I honestly I never really cared and always said I'd never had wanted to live in the same house as them, but I've been thinking about it a lot and as long as we can be polite to eachother ect., I'm not sure that it's not the best for the kids. I mean even best case scenario of us divorcing still has me torn on what would be best for them, and I really don't know if we'd be able to even have the ideal divorce. I keep thinking about the relationships my dsis's and I have had with men, and really none of them have been all that healthy and I can't help but think that if we'd had our Dad in our daily lives as teens that we probably would have made better choices; we probably would have respected ourselves more ect. I have a dd and I want better for her. I can remember being a teen and just wanting a hug from my Dad, if I was having a bad day or something, and I couldn't because he was half way across the country. I don't know, I just don't know what to do, or even really what I"m asking, but if you've read this long, thank you so much. I just don't know what would be best for our kids; what's your opinion on what would be best?

ETA: A best case scenario of a divorce, would be us living in the same city, both of us being able to put our kids first (he would have a really hard time with this..I know from his history, it's almost like he's unable to see past his own feelings ect., to do what's best for them,) it'd be us being friendly and able to work around eachothers schedules when it came to the kids ect.

Also, the marriage just really isn't anything worth saving. If we were being honest with ourselves, really neither of us enjoy eachothers company, almost always we'd both rather do things by ourselves, we don't really have anything in common, besides the kids, and we're both just very different.

He's not going to want to end the marriage, just because he would see it as a failure, but if he were honest, he really doesn't like me.

I really am able to put my hurt feelings aside. We've been speaking the last few days when we're with the kids and we took them to the zoo today (which is uncommon, but planned before I found out about this stuff, usually I would just take the kids by myself) and we all really did have a nice time, but it's almost misleading him because he just left for the gym and I asked him a question and he responded and then sent me another text to say I love you, just to see where we stood, and so I sent him a text that said I obviously love you too but things are different now, so I don't know, I just don't know what's best to do.
 
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I have no advice. I'm just sorry you have to go through this.

Thank you very much, that's very sweet. I just don't know what to do for my kiddos. And in all honesty, I find it pretty hard to believe that he'd have spent all the time and energy on talking/texting this girl and nothing physical was going on, but really that doesn't even matter that much, because just from what he's told me, it's just too much for me to deal with.
 
Thank you very much, that's very sweet. I just don't know what to do for my kiddos. And in all honesty, I find it pretty hard to believe that he'd have spent all the time and energy on talking/texting this girl and nothing physical was going on, but really that doesn't even matter that much, because just from what he's told me, it's just too much for me to deal with.

I agree and I think your gut is telling you what's going on here. Men don't get that heavily invested unless it's a big deal. While there is a possibly a physical contact did not occur, IMO, it doesn't matter. The emotional relationship is probably more telling and destructive.
 

:hug: I too am sorry he did this to you!

Regardless of what you decide to do in the future, start protecting yourself now with some legal and financial advise. You need to do that first, THEN start the hard work of seeing whether your relationship has a future.

You are right that whether he slept with her or not is not the determining factor of whether he is cheating on you. Right now, you really can't trust him to do the right thing by you - so start protecting yourself.
 
Do you really, honestly, believe that it would be better for your kids to live in a house where two people don't even like each other? Seriously? My sister and her husband only get along sometimes. Her son moved in with his father and her daughter is just a mess. Believe me, it is not healthier for your kids to grow up like that. What would be healthy is having two parents that love them enough to know when it is time to end things and be adults. If you divorce your husband, that doesn't mean you will never have another relationship. And then your kids can see what a HEALTHY adult relationship is. Living like you are proposing is setting a horrible example for your kids. That is what they will think is normal and that is how they will end up as adults. Do you really want your kids to be in a marriage like yours?
I suggest you and your husband go to counseling. See if things can be worked on. Obviously, you no longer trust your husband. I don't blame you. I wouldn't either. If nothing was going on then he would not have lied. He lied. Therefore indicating he had something to hide. You don't actually sound like you like your husband anymore. You are young. Think of living like this for the next 30 years. It isn't a pretty picture. Oh, and I would not take his feelings into consideration when making a decision on what you want to do. He didn't take yours into consideration when he started lying and sneaking around.
 
Do you really, honestly, believe that it would be better for your kids to live in a house where two people don't even like each other? Seriously? My sister and her husband only get along sometimes. Her son moved in with his father and her daughter is just a mess. Believe me, it is not healthier for your kids to grow up like that. What would be healthy is having two parents that love them enough to know when it is time to end things and be adults. If you divorce your husband, that doesn't mean you will never have another relationship. And then your kids can see what a HEALTHY adult relationship is. Living like you are proposing is setting a horrible example for your kids. That is what they will think is normal and that is how they will end up as adults. Do you really want your kids to be in a marriage like yours?
I suggest you and your husband go to counseling. See if things can be worked on. Obviously, you no longer trust your husband. I don't blame you. I wouldn't either. If nothing was going on then he would not have lied. He lied. Therefore indicating he had something to hide. You don't actually sound like you like your husband anymore. You are young. Think of living like this for the next 30 years. It isn't a pretty picture. Oh, and I would not take his feelings into consideration when making a decision on what you want to do. He didn't take yours into consideration when he started lying and sneaking around.

YOu make a lot of valid points and I'd probably say the same thing, and no I don't want my kids thinking that this is how a marriage should be, but even with that I can't help but think the reason my dsis's and myself didn't pick healthy relationships, was because we didn't have our dad in our daily lives. My parents did have really a very good divorce, but still... I just wonder.
The other problem is, I don't know how he'll react to us getting divorced and how he'll be to the kids, and I do think that us living in the same house and being friendly would be better than him making their live and mine a living hell. About 5 years ago, I brought up that I thought we should seperate (just because I figured out that I really didn't like talking to him and being around him that much,) and he went NUTS; thank god he was in another country at that time. He's not close to his family at all and for whatever reason in his mind he kinda thinks that if we get divorced than he has nothing. And if he has nothing to lose and is angry, honestly I'd be scared of what he would do, and while just because he can be a bully is not a reason to not make him mad, the truth is, a court isn't going to order that he doesn't get visitation ect., just based on what I say he did/does, and even if a court does rule like that, it doesn't mean he'll listen. He doesn't get it, he can't get that when times are bad that you still have to see whats best for your kids, and get past your own feelings. He used to say the most horrible things about me (false things) in front of our son when the whole us possibly seperating thing was going on. He told me that he wasn't going to be our sons dad anymore, because he couldn't see him because if he had to see me that he'd feel the need to slit my throat...yes I know crazy, but really what do you do? I don't want to make my kids lives a living hell, just because we made a bad life decision to get married years ago. He has changed a little and grown up a little since then, but I still am not 100% confident that he could be a decent divorced parent, and so if he's going to be a horrible divorced parent, then isn't that doing more damage to our kids? I don't know, the ideal situation just isn't an option, and I just don't know what the lesser of the two evils is. I mean, maybe he's grown up enough and would a decent divorced parent, but I just don't know.

ETA: I don't and won't let my kids live in a house where there's a lot of fighting between dh and myself ect. I'm talking about living in a house that is at peace, but yes the parents aren't physical and don't enjoy spending time with eachother. It's still a sad house, but also not a hostile enviroment.
 
Rather than quote your whole last entry dear OP I remember childhood as a kid of 2 parents that were polite & such to each other. Then it was cold & indifferent then it was fighting & tense because no matter how much you think you can put on the happy face eventually it will tear you apart inside. Especially when one day you wake up & it hits you that you have lost so many precious years of your life on a marriage in name only. The kids will ALWAYS know anyway. I don't know what the truth of my parents marriage was but the thing to do in the 1960's was tyo "stay together for the kids" then people woke up. The day my Dad finally walked out we were pretty much all (5 kids) grown and out or near there. We were ecstatic & sad all at the same time FOR HIM. The poor man had been trying to make a normal family life for us kids and sacrificed the better part of his life trying to do it. A few years later he met & married another woman...they were like a love story. I thank God he met her and had over 20 yrs with this dear woman before he passed away. At least he had some joy and we finally got great memories of a happy Dad.

Only you can decide what is best for you but if its to stay in a marriage please please go to counseling so that hopefully you can get a new start. You're not going to be able to pretend.

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I am so sorry you are going through this. Personally, I'd get out now if that's how I felt, how he was acting etcf. before it gets worse. IMHO, it only will get worse.

My sister is going through all this type thing after 34yrs. She may weigh 90 lbs soak and wet. I'm very worried about her and while I have always loved my BIL, I do not think the man he has become is worth what their lives and their 4 kids lives have become. (21, 18, 16 and 14)

She's still in love, you're not. But the heartache of the breakup is something I can totally relate to and I feel badly for you. You'll get some good advice here. But I'd get out if I were you.
 
I'm sorry.. I can only imagine how hurt and confused you are.. Only you can decide what is best for you and your children.. Take some time.. Think things over.. That's a lot to deal with..:hug:
 
I'm sorry your going through this. I come from a divorced family so I can see how you would like to stay for the kids however I don't agree with that. Kids are very smart and can tell how people feel about one another. I wouldn't want to teach my kids that they should stay in an unhealthy marriage. You also deserve to be happy and to teach your children what a marriage should be like.
 
Since you are soliciting advice from random strangers, might i suggest that rather than immediately give up, you try going to counseling?

Or is there more to the story.. to immedielty jump to divorce without anything more than suspicion is rather drastic.
 
Do you want a divorce? If you do and you know it is "over" then taking the steps to future happiness is probably a good thing.

In fact, this would be the time to get him to agree to it. He is invested with someone else and in a sick way this could work to your advantage.

You can't worry about the "what if's"? It sounds like you do not have much of a marriage or want to be married to him right now.

If you want to try and really make things work, get some counseling.
 
Honestly, I don't really know where to start, but hopefully I don't ramble too long and some of this makes sense. I've been married for 9 years (got married way to young ect.) and we have 2 wonderful kids. So, here's my dilemma.

About 2 months ago, my dh was coming home from work and we were talking on the phone, and he said that he had hurt his hand at the gym, we eventually got off the phone, because he said his hand hurt (I didn't care, I was making dinner, not a big deal at all.) I heard the garage door open and I went out to help him bring his stuff in, because he had hurt his hand. Well he was on the phone (again not a big deal, but I did give him crap (jokingly) about telling me he had to get off the phone, but then being on the phone when he pulled in.) I could tell immediately that something was off. He held the phone down while handing me his stuff (I think to try to act like he wasn't on it:confused3) and tried to pull the door shut, but I made sure I stood in the way, because he was acting weird. I asked him who he was talking to and he told me "Ben"-he's friend of his, and they do talk a lot ect. Well he was just acting kinda strange, and I can almost always tell when he's talking to a guy as oppose to when he's talking to a girl on the phone, and he gets off the phone by saying, "yeah pretty much." -I asked him again, so you were talking to Ben? and he said yes, and I said, huh it didn't sound like that. So, it had always stuck in the back of my mind, but I had other things going on, and just kinda forgot about it for a while. In the meantime our cell phone bill was a little higher the last 2 months, because he went over his mins. We went through the detail of the phone numbers on the bill, and I noticed a few numbers that came up a lot, but he said one was "Ben" and he wasn't sure what the other numbers were, but they must have just been ppl. at work. I noticed that one of the calls was at 2 in the morning, on a day he had off and I was out of town with the kids. He again said that must have been "Ben," as they had been working on his car (which is at least somewhat true, because Ben had been over before I went out of town, with the kids, to work on my dh's car.

Fast forward to Tuesday night, he fell asleep early, and when I went to bed, I checked his phone to make sure his alarm was set, and it showed a miss call, which wasn't the same number that he'd been talking a lot too, but very similar and reminded me about it. I clicked on "Ben" on his contact list to see what his number was, well yes it was one of the numbers he talks to a lot, but NOT the number that he had talked to at 2am, and NOT the number that he was talking to the night he came home from work with a hurt hand (so he obviously lied to me about that. I plugged in the number that was on our bill detail, and it came up as the contact "monster" on his phone...obviously not a real name.
So, the next morning I asked him about it and he said (with his voice shaking a little) that it was a girl that works at GNC (he's a major gym guy and has been for years,) and that he didn't tell me because he knew I'd "flip out," because I'm a girl. Just want to put in here that he's way more jealous than I've ever been. He tried to play it off like he didn't talk to her that much and that she just had questions about losing weight, that she tells him when stuffs on sale and he listened to some sob story about how her grandmothers trying to get custody of her kids. He said that she did go to the gym with him and "Ben" twice.
Obviously I'm mad that he ;ied to me, but then I went online and started looking more into the bill detail of our phones, and he's had as much as hour conversations with this woman, they've texted as much as 86 times a day (he has always said he doesn't like texting ect.) They've texted at 5 in the morning when he goes to work, and it was her he was talking to at 2 in the morning, and he texted her at 4 in the morning, literally 2 mins. after I walked out the door to head out of town with the kids. He texted me a few mins. later to say to have a good flight ect., but got out of bed to first text her on a sat. morning.
I questioned him about all of this and he said the texting her at 4 in the morning the day I left, was just saying "vacation," -to basically make a joke that he was on vacation, because we were out of town for a week, and it was "all in fun." He said he didn't remember talking to her at 2am, but he's sure it was nothing. He said that she's just someone that he can talk to, that he listens to her crap and she listens to his, and the texts at 5am, is just a "good morning" because she used to have to get up around the same time.
What the hell????
He swears nothing physical has ever happened and says she's not attractive at all (not that it matters.) He said that she's just a "friend." He is a talker and will talk anyones hear off, however he doesn't even really like females and he's never had a female friend, or talked to a female on the phone like this ect.
In all honesty, even if nothing physical happened, it really doesn't make that big a difference to me, I'm just done. I've gone through throwing up, not sleeping at all, hardly eating, crying ect., but I'm just done. We have two kids which really need to be our first priority, and honestly I'm thinking about telling him that I think it may be better if we do stay "married," just for the sake of the kids, and that we should be polite, friendly communicate openly about the kids ect., but I really just can't have him touch me. I just can't. There has to be a point that I respect myself, and I really just can't.

As far as staying together for the kids, I know it sounds dumb, but I'm a kid of divorced parents, I honestly I never really cared and always said I'd never had wanted to live in the same house as them, but I've been thinking about it a lot and as long as we can be polite to eachother ect., I'm not sure that it's not the best for the kids. I mean even best case scenario of us divorcing still has me torn on what would be best for them, and I really don't know if we'd be able to even have the ideal divorce. I keep thinking about the relationships my dsis's and I have had with men, and really none of them have been all that healthy and I can't help but think that if we'd had our Dad in our daily lives as teens that we probably would have made better choices; we probably would have respected ourselves more ect. I have a dd and I want better for her. I can remember being a teen and just wanting a hug from my Dad, if I was having a bad day or something, and I couldn't because he was half way across the country. I don't know, I just don't know what to do, or even really what I"m asking, but if you've read this long, thank you so much. I just don't know what would be best for our kids; what's your opinion on what would be best?

ETA: A best case scenario of a divorce, would be us living in the same city, both of us being able to put our kids first (he would have a really hard time with this..I know from his history, it's almost like he's unable to see past his own feelings ect., to do what's best for them,) it'd be us being friendly and able to work around eachothers schedules when it came to the kids ect.

Also, the marriage just really isn't anything worth saving. If we were being honest with ourselves, really neither of us enjoy eachothers company, almost always we'd both rather do things by ourselves, we don't really have anything in common, besides the kids, and we're both just very different.

He's not going to want to end the marriage, just because he would see it as a failure, but if he were honest, he really doesn't like me.

I really am able to put my hurt feelings aside. We've been speaking the last few days when we're with the kids and we took them to the zoo today (which is uncommon, but planned before I found out about this stuff, usually I would just take the kids by myself) and we all really did have a nice time, but it's almost misleading him because he just left for the gym and I asked him a question and he responded and then sent me another text to say I love you, just to see where we stood, and so I sent him a text that said I obviously love you too but things are different now, so I don't know, I just don't know what's best to do.

Wow. I would definitely say that you should go with what your gut is telling you. The fact that he immediately contacted her after you left to go away is strange timing to say the least. :hug: I'm sorry you're dealing with this!!
 
I don't have much to say, but I am sorry to hear you are going through this and I hope all works out for your and your kids...all I have to offer is a :hug:
 
(((HUGS))) I'm so sorry you are dealing with this. my dh had an affair a couple of years ago and it was devastating and shocking to me when I found out about it. we have been able to work thru it, but it took a long time and a lot of work to get to where we are.

I know you are still wavering on the idea of it being an affair, but, well, yeah, sounds like one to me. even if its not a physical one yet, it definitely sounds like an emotional one to me. both hurt.

I highly recommend counseling for both you and for you as a couple if your dh will go. my individual counseling was a godsend and really helped keep me grounded and growing in the right direction. I also had a book and website called divorce busting recommended to me by someone here and it really helped me. its one thing to talk to friends/family/people here, but its another thing when I was able to connect with people going thru what I was going thru. scary how similar so many of our stories were, btw.

take care of yourself. feel free to pm me if you would like
 


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