opinionated -- or smart and well informed

[peachgirl]

If Senator Kerry is elected President, she's going to be in some very stressful difficult situations at times, so she must learn to maintain control.

Perhaps she could take lessons from Dick Cheney.....

 

[auntpolly]

Originally posted by peachgirl
Perhaps she could take lessons from Dick Cheney.....

Oh no! She'd better learn to be a good little girl!!!

 

[beattyfamily]

Originally posted by peachgirl
Perhaps she could take lessons from Dick Cheney.....

Cheney is not the first (and I'm sure not the last) to use that word. Kerry himself used that word in a Rolling Stones interview when talking about Bush.

Her anger and frustration in this situation, IMHO, was totally un-warranted. That reporter was just asking her what she meant by "un-American" in her speech she had just given. She accused him of putting words in her mouth, he did no such thing.

Heinz said "We need to turn back some of the creeping, un-Pennsylvanian and sometimes un-American traits that are coming into some of our politics. I remember a time when people in political parties in Pennsylvania talked to one another and actually got things done."

Mrs. Kerry then was asked by a reporter there in Pennsylvania about what she meant by the term ‘un-American,’". Colin McNickle, the editorial page editor of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review asked her, "What did you mean un-American?"

Heinz Kerry denies she said what she just said: "No, I didn't say that," but McNickle persisted: "What did you mean?"
Heinz Kerry: "I didn't say that."
McNickle: "What did you say?"
Heinz Kerry: "I didn't say that."
McNickle: "I'm just asking what you said."
Heinz Kerry: "Well, why did you put those words in my mouth?"

She then talked to some of her husband’s staffers. She was angry that he apparently tried to put words into her mouth.

Heinz Kerry demanded, "Are you with the Tribune Review?" McNickle replied, "Yes, I am."

Heinz Kerry retorted: "Of course. Understandable....You said something I didn't say, now shove it."

 

[peachgirl]

Cheney is not the first (and I'm sure not the last) to use that word. Kerry himself used that word in a Rolling Stones interview when talking about Bush.

Oh, I see. And Mrs. Kerry was the first person to ever tell an obnoxious reporter to shove it????

It really is laughable that you can find Cheney's saying **** off acceptable, but saying shove it is an unforgivable sin.
The "reporter" is from a right wing conservative publication and had been baiting her for some time. It's not as simple as the few lines you posted.

To compare telling a biased reporter with an agenda of "getting" her husband to shove it to the Vice President of the United States saying **** off while standing on the Senate floor is ridiculous.



Surely you can find something a little more substantial to use as an excuse not to like Mrs. Kerry?????

 

[beattyfamily]

Originally posted by peachgirl
Oh, I see. And Mrs. Kerry was the first person to ever tell an obnoxious reporter to shove it????

It really is laughable that you can find Cheney's saying **** off acceptable, but saying shove it is an unforgivable sin.
The "reporter" is from a right wing conservative publication and had been baiting her for some time. It's not as simple as the few lines you posted.

To compare telling a biased reporter with an agenda of "getting" her husband to shove it to the Vice President of the United States saying **** off while standing on the Senate floor is ridiculous.

Surely you can find something a little more substantial to use as an excuse not to like Mrs. Kerry?????

Where did I say what Cheney said was acceptable, please quote me.

He was not baiting her! Oh yes it was that simple I quoted everything that was said.

I'm using this because this is what's in the news right now. There are MANY reasons I can't stand the woman, being up here in MA, I've known her (as a fellow Republican up until a year ago) for a long time.

 

[castlegazer]

I've known her personally for many years also and my husband has worked by her side in policy advocacy over the years also. I find her very intimidating, but in a good way. She is extremely intelligent. She is also very hands on in her advocacy and philanthropy work. She is a specialist in health care policy also.

I don't know what I thought about the speach last night, honestly, I just want to hear what others have to say about it. I thought she showed people that she is a very good public speaker and she did what she intended. Earlier in the day she had said in an interview that it is most important to show that you are vulnerable to people and show honesty. I think she did both. I think some people will have found out quite a bit more about her than they had known in the past.

She openly states that she is a Republican that has been displaced by the party. That is nothing new that she changed her party affiliation when John was running against Bill Weld, not a year ago. She is very open about it and was open about it at the time and why she was doing it and part of it was ot help in that race - not this race. She is honest about her dislike about the policies of the current administration.

 

[richiebaseball]

Originally posted by peachgirl
The "reporter" is from a right wing conservative publication and had been baiting her for some time. It's not as simple as the few lines you posted.

I for one would appreciate some background information on the reporter allegedly baiting her for some time. Can you provide a transcript or video or something? Was there a previous incident between this reporter and Mrs. Kerry? If there was some history that we don't know about between them that could explain it.

Oh and why did you use the term reporter in quotation marks? Do you know some of his past work and if so could you share it with us? Or do you just assume that anyone that works for a conservative publication can't possibly be a real reporter.

Perhaps you enjoy the journalistic integrity of, say, Michael Moore instead?

Just one man's opinion.

Richard

 

[jrydberg]

I'm still trying to figure out what's negative about the term opinionated

 

[Saffron]

I think she's opininated, smart and well informed and I love those qualities in her.

And so what if it took her 13 minutes or 33 minutes before she spoke about her husband? She was speaking at the DNC where the focus is on political issues, our country, the world, etc. etc. as well as Sen. Kerry. She spoke about those things and issues just as every other speaker has, just as every speaker will at the RNC. How many minutes did it take the other speakers before they spoke about Kerry? Was there a certain order they had to follow in their speech? Did you time them too to see how long it took them to speak about Kerry, or was this just a woman/wife/Teresa Heinz Kerry thing that you timed?

A strong, confident, smart, opinionated man is seen as just that. A strong, confident, smart, opinionated woman is seen as something negative. It amazes me that this still happens in the 21st century.

 

[Deb in IA]

She's certainly opinionated. I don't know how smart she is -- I suppose smart enough to marry well -- twice.

 

[faithinkarma]

Originally posted by Deb in IA
She's certainly opinionated. I don't know how smart she is -- I suppose smart enough to marry well -- twice.

miaou

 

[castlegazer]

In my humble personal opinion, she's damn well smarter than I am - and I don't think I am a slouch either - and she is smarter than any woman that I have met thus far (and I have had the opportunity to meet Hillary one on one):

Turning down offers to seek election to her husband's Senate seat to take care of her sons, family and professional responsibilities, she became chairman of The Howard Heinz Endowment and the Heinz Family Philanthropies. Under her leadership, the Heinz foundations are widely known for developing innovative strategies to protect the environment, improve education and the lives of young children, reduce the cost of prescription drugs, promote the arts and help women achieve financial economic security. She established the Women's Institute for a Secure Retirement in 1996 to educate women about pensions, savings, and retirement security.

and furthermore:

she met Kerry again at the Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro when President George H. W. Bush appointed her as part of a State Department Delegation representing U.S. non-governmental organizations.

 

[grinningghost]

She may be opinionated and smart, but she really needs to tone it down a little IMHO.

The democrats are constantly screaming about America's image around the world and how it's been so horribly ravaged by the current administration. I've yet to see Laura Bush tell anyone to "shove it".

Like it or not, the First Lady DOES represent America. Is this the type of representation the democrats are looking for? An abrasive First Lady?

 

[auntpolly]

Originally posted by faithinkarma
miaou

LOL - you know what? You're pretty funny!

 

[KarenC]

Originally posted by richiebaseball
I for one would appreciate some background information on the reporter allegedly baiting her for some time. Can you provide a transcript or video or something? Was there a previous incident between this reporter and Mrs. Kerry? If there was some history that we don't know about between them that could explain it.

Here's what I'd posted on the thread dedicated to this subject that is so vital to our democracy

A little background on the "reporter"--he's a mouthpiece for Richard Mellon Sciafe--a right wing idealogue who has funded lots of partisan "journalism". Here's a link to "Who is Richard Mellon Sciafe"

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998...scaife.profile/

The paper the reporter works for had disingenously tied the Heinz Foundation to a foundation that it suggested had a radical left agenda. Despite evidence to the contrary, the paper continued to run with the story for about a year.

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/t/teresakerry.htm

Personally, I think THK knew exactly what she was doing when she went back to the reporter and told him what to do. A number of stories I read explained the Richard Mellon Sciafe angle to the plot. It's an effort to help persuadable voters to understand the influence right wing idealogues have on the way the news is spun to us.

Last night Mrs. Kerry made me very proud to be an "opinionated" woman (and Barack Obama made me proud to be from Illinois).

 

[castlegazer]

I actually think she was wrong to run after that reporter and tell him to shove it, but I keep coming back to one point when people make this characterization of her being abrasive,

this is no big deal and does not provide you with a true representation of her character. If you want to make that leap on this episode, please allow me to make a general characterization about Dick Cheney after his outburst.

She actually is very shy in public in person, and is extremely poised and is exactly the type of First Lady our progressive country needs.

 

[GaryAdams]

How many minutes did it take the other speakers before they spoke about Kerry? Was there a certain order they had to follow in their speech? Did you time them too to see how long it took them to speak about Kerry, or was this just a woman/wife/Teresa Heinz Kerry thing that you timed?

got it from MM,hes planning on doing a film about her someday and wants to be sure her 13 mins beat GW's 7 mins.

 

[danacara]

It ticks me off when women say that other women should be less aggressive, less ambitious, less expressively smart than they are by nature. Teresa Heinz Kerry is a bohemian philanthropist intellectual by nature. Laura Bush is a quiet mild librarian by nature, more classically and stereotypically "feminine." Why do we vilify Kerry for not being that way? Why do we fault her for standing up for herself with some pushy reporter? If a man had told him to "shove it," wouldn't we be sitting her thinking, that reporter probably deserved it?

Don't we tell our daughters that they can achieve anything, have it all, live internationally, attract and marry men who are rich in both intellectual and physical assets, raise fantastic kids (have you all seen Chris Heinz?), become philanthropists, and speak with confidence in front of forty million people? So what is it, exactly, that we don't like about Teresa Heinz Kerry?

Women are women's worst enemies. Men never do this to each other. It makes me crazy to see it.

 

[minniepumpernickel]

Originally posted by danacara
It ticks me off when women say that other women should be less aggressive, less ambitious, less expressively smart than they are by nature. Teresa Heinz Kerry is a bohemian philanthropist intellectual by nature. Laura Bush is a quiet mild librarian by nature, more classically and stereotypically "feminine." Why do we vilify Kerry for not being that way? Why do we fault her for standing up for herself with some pushy reporter? If a man had told him to "shove it," wouldn't we be sitting her thinking, that reporter probably deserved it?

Don't we tell our daughters that they can achieve anything, have it all, live internationally, attract and marry men who are rich in both intellectual and physical assets, raise fantastic kids (have you all seen Chris Heinz?), become philanthropists, and speak with confidence in front of forty million people? So what is it, exactly, that we don't like about Teresa Heinz Kerry?

Women are women's worst enemies. Men never do this to each other. It makes me crazy to see it.

Wow, that was so beautifully said! Now we know why you went to Harvard! Go Dana!

I think that women are always way too quick to bash other women. It's like a socially acceptable form of entertainment. Do you think that it has some type of genetic or biological component?

 

[faithinkarma]

Originally posted by danacara
It ticks me off when women say that other women should be less aggressive, less ambitious, less expressively smart than they are by nature. Teresa Heinz Kerry is a bohemian philanthropist intellectual by nature. Laura Bush is a quiet mild librarian by nature, more classically and stereotypically "feminine." Why do we vilify Kerry for not being that way? Why do we fault her for standing up for herself with some pushy reporter? If a man had told him to "shove it," wouldn't we be sitting her thinking, that reporter probably deserved it?

Don't we tell our daughters that they can achieve anything, have it all, live internationally, attract and marry men who are rich in both intellectual and physical assets, raise fantastic kids (have you all seen Chris Heinz?), become philanthropists, and speak with confidence in front of forty million people? So what is it, exactly, that we don't like about Teresa Heinz Kerry?

Women are women's worst enemies. Men never do this to each other. It makes me crazy to see it.

That is such a good point. We tell our daughters they can do anything, and have to watch as a woman who makes it gets attacked for what? For achieving ? For not being Ms Stepford? I just don't get it.