"only idiots" disagree with Kerry's healthcare plan

Originally posted by MICKEY88
do you actually believe he will do it,,,, in reality he can do no such thing without the legislature....

as I recall Clinton was going to pass a wonderful new healthcare plan.. 8 years in office and nothing...

beware of healthcare plans that sound too good to be true, they could possibly be national healthcare plans such as Canada has, I've never talked to a canadian that thought they had good healthcare coverage, they're supposed to,,but they have to wait forever to see doctors and for surgery, so make sure you have all the details before agreeing with Theresa Heinz...

Well, I've never talked to a Canadian that didn't think they had good healthcare coverage, and I live in Canada. We certainly don't wait forever to see doctors and for surgery. If I wanted to see a doctor today, I simply phone my clinic and I can. My MIL needed valve replacement surgery, she was in within two weeks. My father needed skin cancer removed, it was done within two weeks. My neighbour brought her 4 year old daughter into her GP because she was feeling tired. The doctor took blood tests and my neighbour was telephoned, in the middle of the night, that same night to bring her child immediately down to the hospital. She was then transfered to Sick Kids Hospital where she is undergoing treatment for leukemia. Granted the system is not perfect, but it is pretty darned good!
 
Originally posted by jmmom80
presidents don't set premiums, insurance companies do.

Yes, you are correct. And what impacts insurance rates? Never ending jury trials, etc. Tort reform is needed. . .something that Kerry and (obviously) Edwards are against.
 
Originally posted by snarfer1
You're an Idiot!

And Welcome to the club!

As Head Idiot I would like to introduce you to our other members:

tonyswife (not mine sigh)
Kendra17 (don't know if she's posted on this thread yet, but she is definately idiot material)
AirForceRocks (not here yet but, yes a proud idiot)
we3luvdisney (also an idiot in abstensia)
luv2nascar a DOUBLE idiot (because of NASCAR [lol]
Disney Doll who I hate to call and idiot
Pin Wizard (Spouse of THE pinabll wizard)

I would assume charlie_nj is also an idiot, but I am speaking for them.

Now if we would all stand for the idiot anthem......


What was I saying......

drool:confused3

Oh woudn't you like to be an IDIOT too?

With appologes for my spellings, idiots omited and idiots incorrectly included.

Tony Idiot In Chief

Count me in!!:wave2:
 

Originally posted by peachgirl

Do I think he'll try? Yes. Do I think he'll succeed? Not with a Republican House or Senate.

But, the question is, do you "LIKE" the plan, not will it ever be implemented.







What makes on believe Kerry will succeed where Billary failed? Has he every introduced healthcare legislation in his 19 years in the Senate? if not, why not?
 
Originally posted by peachgirl



Nothing's more obnoxious than a woman with an opinion!



MUST ...... RESIST........ MUST...... RESIST......
 
Originally posted by wvrevy
The quote was in my post....Did you have a problem reading it for some reason ? Here it is again:

"It's absolutely essential that eight weeks from today, on Nov. 2, we make the right choice, because if we make the wrong choice then the danger is that we'll get hit again and we'll be hit in a way that will be devastating from the standpoint of the United States," Cheney said.
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I think you need to check your facts. When you read Cheney's quote in its full context, it is highly questionable whether the AP's interpretation is correct.

Here is the full quote, in context, with the most relevant portion set in bold type:

We made decisions at the end of World War II, at the beginning of the Cold War, when we set up the Department of Defense, and the CIA, and we created the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and undertook a bunch of major policy steps that then were in place for the next 40 years, that were key to our ultimate success in the Cold War, that were supported by Democrat and Republican alike -- Harry Truman and Dwight Eisenhower and Jack Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon and Gerry Ford and a whole bunch of Presidents, from both parties, supported those policies over a long period of time. We're now at that point where we're making that kind of decision for the next 30 or 40 years, and it's absolutely essential that eight weeks from today, on November 2nd, we make the right choice. Because if we make the wrong choice, then the danger is that we'll get hit again, that we'll be hit in a way that will be devastating from the standpoint of the United States, and that we'll fall back into the pre-9/11 mind set if you will, that in fact these terrorist attacks are just criminal acts, and that we're not really at war. I think that would be a terrible mistake for us.

We have to understand it is a war. It's different than anything we've ever fought before. But they mean to do everything they can to destroy our way of life. They don't agree with our view of the world. They've got an extremist view in terms of their religion. They have no concept or tolerance for religious freedom. They don't believe women ought to have any rights. They've got a fundamentally different view of the world, and they will slaughter -- as they demonstrated on 9/11 -- anybody who stands in their way. So we've got to get it right. We've got to succeed here. We've got to prevail. And that's what is at stake in this election.

This was already discussed in a previous thread, guess you missed it.::yes:: ::yes:: I've included the link so you can check the information. I also think you owe tonyswife an apology.::yes:: ::yes::

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Originally posted by Elwood Blues
MUST ...... RESIST........ MUST...... RESIST......

Nah....go ahead, let it out. You'll feel better and it will give me something to scream about.:teeth:
 
Originally posted by Disney Doll
wvrevy, once again your nasty condescending tone really dilutes any type of message you may have to send.

In response to your extraordinarily sarcastic question about hwehter or not VP Cheney's quote was read the first time, I can only answer that yes, I did read it, and I see no where where it says "vote for Bush or die".

What that is is your interpretation of the quote. Doesn't exactly make it Gospel.

Carry on with diluting your measage with nastiness and condescension.

Sad, sad soul...:(

Disney Doll,

You need to read the post I made to wvrevy, concerning his quote. Once again, it looks like the AP took a quote out of context. See my previous post.
 
Originally posted by peachgirl
Nah....go ahead, let it out. You'll feel better and it will give me something to scream about.:teeth:

Nah, you've had enough excitement for today. Maybe some other time.
 
Originally posted by Elwood Blues
Nah, you've had enough excitement for today. Maybe some other time.

That will be quite enough, thank you. ;)

Btw......You changed your post or I've had one too many or maybe it's both.
 
Originally posted by wvrevy
The difference is obvious. Bush has a record, and that record shows that not only has terrorism increased under his "brilliant" policies, but so has international resentment of the US, even among our allies. Are you arguing that the world is a safer place today than it was in October of 2001 ? If so, I'd love to hear how anyone could possibly believe that.

The world is not a safer place since 1979. I'm sure you're aware that president Bush was not in office, but Former President Carter was. Please take the opportunity to read this speech.

Speech given by US Navy Capt, to the Pensacola Civitan Club Feb 19, 2003. Captain Ouimette is the Executive Officer of NAS, Pensacola, FL.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Pensacola Civitan, 19 Feb 2003

America WAKE UP!

That's what we think we heard on the 11th of September 2001 and maybe it was, but I think it should have been "Get Out of Bed!" In fact, I think the alarm clock has been buzzing since 1979 and we have continued to hit the snooze button and roll over for a few more minutes of peaceful sleep since then.

It was a cool fall day in November 1979 in a country going through a religious and political upheaval when a group of Iranian students attacked and seized the American Embassy in Tehran. This seizure was an outright attack on American soil; it was an attack that held the world's most powerful country hostage and paralyzed a Presidency. The attack on this sovereign US embassy set the stage for the events to follow for the next 23 years.

America was still reeling from the aftermath of the Viet Nam experience and had a serious threat from the Soviet Union when then, President Carter, had to do something. He chose to conduct a clandestine raid in the desert. The ill-fated mission ended in ruin, but stood as a symbol of America's inability to deal with terrorism. America's military had been decimated and downsized / right sized since the end of the Viet Nam war. A poorly trained, poorly equipped and poorly organized military was called on to execute a complex mission that was doomed from the start.
Shortly after the Tehran experience, Americans began to be kidnapped and killed throughout the Middle East. America could do little to protect her citizens living and working abroad. The attacks against US soil continued.

In April of 1983 a large vehicle packed with high explosives was driven into the US Embassy compound in Beirut. When it explodes, it kills 63 people. The alarm went off again and America hit the Snooze Button once more. Then just six short months later a large truck heavily laden down with over 2500 pounds of TNT smashed through the main gate of the US Marine Corps headquarters in Beirut. 241 US servicemen are killed. America mourns her dead and hit the Snooze Button once more. Two months later in December 1983, another truck loaded with explosives is driven into the US Embassy in Kuwait, and America continues her slumber. The following year, in September 1984, another van was driven into the gates of the US Embassy in Beirut and America slept.

Soon the terrorism spreads to Europe. In April 1985 a bomb explodes in a restaurant frequented by US soldiers in Madrid. Then in August a Volkswagen loaded with explosives is driven into the main gate of the US Air Force Base at Rhein-Main, 22 are killed and the Snooze Alarm is buzzing louder and louder as US soil is continually attacked. Fifty-nine days later a cruise ship, the Achille Lauro is hijacked and we watched as an American in a wheelchair is singled out of the passenger list and executed. The terrorists then shift their tactics to bombing civilian airliners when they bomb TWA Flight 840 in April of 1986 that killed 4 and the most tragic bombing, Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988, killing 259. America wants to treat these terrorist acts as crimes; in fact we are still trying to bring these people to trial. These are acts of war...the Wake Up alarm is louder and louder.

The terrorists decide to bring the fight to America. In January 1993, two CIA agents are shot and killed as they enter CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia. The following month, February 1993, a group of terrorists are arrested after a rented van packed with explosives is driven into the underground parking garage of the World Trade Center in New York City. Six people are killed and over 1000 are injured. Still this is a crime and not an act of war? The Snooze alarm is depressed again.

Then in November 1995 a car bomb explodes at a US military complex in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia killing seven service men and women. A few months later in June of 1996, another truck bomb explodes only 35 yards from the US military compound in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. It destroys the Khobar Towers, a US Air Force barracks, killing 19 and injuring over 500.

The terrorists are getting braver and smarter as they see that America does not respond decisively. They move to coordinate their attacks in a simultaneous attack on two US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. These attacks were planned with precision, they kill 224. America responds with cruise missile attacks and goes back to sleep.

The USS Cole was docked in the port of Aden, Yemen for refueling on 12 October 2000, when a small craft pulled along side the ship and exploded killing 17 US Navy Sailors. Attacking a US War Ship is an act of war, but we sent the FBI to investigate the crime and went back to sleep.

And of course you know the events of 11 September 2001. Most Americans think this was the first attack against US soil or in America. How wrong they are. America has been under a constant attack since 1979 and we chose to hit the snooze alarm and roll over and go back to sleep.

In the news lately we have seen lots of finger pointing from every high official in government over what they knew and what they didn't know. But if you've read the papers and paid a little attention I think you can see exactly what they knew. You don't have to be in the FBI or CIA or on the National Security Council to see the pattern that has been developing since 1979. The President is right on when he says we are engaged in a war. I think we have been in a war for the past 23 years and it will continue until we as a people decide enough is enough.

America has to "Get out of Bed" and act decisively now. America has changed forever. We have to be ready to pay the price and make the sacrifice to ensure our way of life continues. We cannot afford to hit the Snooze Button again and roll over and go back to sleep. We have to make the terrorists know that in the words of Admiral Yamamoto after the attack on Pearl Harbor "that all they have done is to awaken a sleeping giant."

Thank you very much.
Dan Ouimette
 
Originally posted by rcyannacci


(to everyone else) This is a woman negotiating a new terrain of political life and speaking, and I think we can all see her discomfort at being placed in the fishbowl.

Ummm.....Her first husband, H. John Heinz III started in the House of Representatives in 1971 and then became a US Senator. As they met sometime around 1963, it is a safe bet that she was part of his campaigns. This is NOTHING new to her.
 
Originally posted by wvrevy
The difference is obvious. Bush has a record, and that record shows that not only has terrorism increased under his "brilliant" policies, but so has international resentment of the US, even among our allies. Are you arguing that the world is a safer place today than it was in October of 2001 ? If so, I'd love to hear how anyone could possibly believe that.

Remind me again of the last terrorist attack here in the US since 9/11/01.

As we3 pointed out, in case you haven't been paying attention, the world hasn't been a safe place for a long time... what planet have you been living on?

1946
January 7
Three American civilian officials killed when Nazi "Werewolf" terrorists burn down their house in Passau, Germany.
September 30
One US soldier killed when ambushed by terrorists at Fort McKinley, Philippines.

1948
March 7
Two American diplomats murdered by Viet Minh terrorists in Saigon, Indochina.
April 9
A Bomb explodes near US embassy in Bogota, Colombia, during an Organisation of American States conference.
May 8
American CBS correspondent George Polk murdered by three communists in Salonika, Greece, after he was lured to a meeting on a boat in the city's harbour. His body was dumped in the sea.

1950
November 1
Puerto Rican nationalists attack Blair House in Washington DC, United States, in an unsuccessful attempt to assassinate US president Harry S Truman. One Secret Service agent and one terrorist were killed.
1954
March 1
Five US congressmen wounded when Puerto Rican nationalists opened fire in the Capitol Building, Washington DC, United States.

1958
June 27
Thirty US Marines kidnapped by Communist guerillas on Cuba, near the US naval base at Guantanamo Bay. All are eventually released unharmed.

1961
May 1
First ever United States aircraft hijacked and forced to fly to Communist Cuba. Puerto Rican-born Abntulio Ramirez Ortiz forced the National Airlines Corvair 44O to fly to Havana at gun point and was then given asylum. He was jailed for twenty years when he returned to Maimi, United States, in 1975.

1968
February 21
A Delta Airlines DC8 forced to fly to Havana, Cuba, in the first successful hijacking of a US commercial airliner since 1961. The hijacker was granted political asylum.
August 28
John Gordon Meir, US ambassador to Guatemala is murdered by a rebel faction when they force his official car off the road in Guatemala City and machine gun the vehicle. He is the first ever American ambassador to be assassinated by terrorists.

1969
September 3
U.S. Ambassador to Brazil Charles Burke Elbrick was kidnapped by the Marxist revolutionary group MR-8.

1970
July 31
In Montevideo, Uruguay, the Tupamaros terrorist group kidnapped USAID adviser Dan Mitrione; his body was found on August 10.

1972
May 11
US Army headquarters in Frankfurt, Germany, attacked by Red Army Faction car bomb killing one American officer and injuring thirteen people. Three more US servicemen injured in another Red Army Faction car bomb attack on the US Army headquarters at Heidleburg, Germany, later in the month.

1973
March 2
U.S. Ambassador to Sudan Cleo A. Noel and other diplomats were assassinated at the Saudi Arabian Embassy in Khartoum by members of the Black September organization.
May 4
U.S. Consul General in Guadalajara, Terrence Leonhardy, was kidnapped by members of the People's Revolutionary Armed Forces.

1979
November 4
Iranian radicals seize the US Embassy in Tehran, taking sixty-six American diplomats hostage. The crisis continues until 20 January 1981 when the hostages are released by diplomatic means.

1980
August 13
Air Florida flight from Key West to Miami, United States, hijacked by seven Cubans and flown to Cuba, where they released their hostages and taken into custody. Six further US airliners were hijacked to Cuba over the next month. All the passengers were freed without harm. Three passengers were killed when Cubans hijacked an aircraft in Peru and demanded to be flown to the United States.

1981
August 31
Large bomb explodes in the car park of the USAF base at Ramstein, Germany, injuring twenty people. The Red Army Faction claims responsibility.
September 15
Red Army Faction terrorists make unsuccessful rocket attacks on the car of US Army commander in West Germany, General Fred Kroesen.
December 4
Three American nuns and one lay missionary were found murdered outside San Salvador, El Salvador. They were believed to have been assassinated by a right-wing death squad.

1983
April 8
A U.S. citizen was seized by the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) and held for ransom.
April 18
Sixty three people, including the CIA's Middle East Director, are killed and 120 injured in a 400 lb. suicide truck bomb attack on the US Embassy in Beirut, Lebanon. The driver is killed. Responsibility is claimed by Islamic Jihad.
May 25
A U.S. Navy officer is assassinated by the Farabundo Marti National Liberation Front.
October 23
Simultaneous suicide truck bombs on American and French compounds in Beirut, Lebanon. A 12,000 lb bomb destroys a US Marine Corps base killing two hundred and forty one Americans; another fifty eight Frenchmen are killed when a 400 lb device destroys one of their bases. Islamic Jihad claims responsibility.
November 15
US Naval officer shot by November 17 terrorist group in Athens, Greece, when his car stopped at traffic lights.
December 12
US Embassy in Kuwait targeted by Iraqi Shia terrorists who attempted to destroy the building with a truck bomb. The attack was foiled by guards and the device exploded in the Embassy fore-court killing five people.
December 17
US Army Brigadier General James Dozier kidnapped from his home in Verona, Italy, by Italian Red Brigades terrorists. He was held for forty five days until Italian special forces rescued him on January 26, 1982.

1984
March 16
CIA station chief in Beirut, Lebanon, William Buckley, was kidnapped by the Iranian backed Islamic Jihad. He was tortured and then executed by his captors.
April 12
Eighteen US servicemen killed and eighty three people injured in bomb attack on restaurant near USAF base in Torrejon, Spain.
September 20
Suicide bomb attack on US Embassy in East Beirut kills twenty three people and injures twenty one others. The US and British ambassadors were slightly injured in the explosion which was attributed to the Iranian backed Hezbollah group

1985
February 7
Under the orders of narcotrafficker Rafael Cero Quintero, Drug Enforcement Administration agent Enrique Camarena Salazar and his pilot were kidnapped, tortured, and executed.
March 16
US journalist Terry Anderson is kidnapped in Beirut, Lebanon, by Iranian backed Islamic radicals. He is released in December 1991.
June 9
US academic, Thomas Sutherland, at the American University, Beirut, Lebanon kidnapped by Islamic terrorists and held until November 18, 1991.
June 14
A Trans World Airlines flight was hijacked en route to Rome from Athens by two Lebanese Hizballah terrorists and forced to fly to Beirut. The eight crew members and 145 passengers were held for 17 days, during which one American hostage, a U.S. Navy diver, was murdered. After being flown twice to Algiers, the aircraft was returned to Beirut after Israel released 435 Lebanese and Palestinian prisoners.
August 8
Three US servicemen and seventeen injured in Red Army Faction bomb and gun attack on Rhein-Main airbase, Germany.
September 12
US academic at the American University in Beirut, Joseph Cicippio, seized in Beirut by Iranian backed Islamic terrorists. He is released on December 1, 1991.
October 7
Four Palestinian Liberation Front terrorists seized an Italian cruise liner in the eastern Mediterranean Sea, taking more than 700 hostages. One U.S. passenger was murdered before the Egyptian Government offered the terrorists safe haven in return for the hostages' freedom.
October 21
American businessman Edward Tracy kidnapped in Lebanon by Islamic terrorists and held for almost five years until August 11, 1991.

1986
March 30
A Palestinian splinter group detonated a bomb as TWA Flight 840 approached Athens Airport, killing four U.S. citizens.
April 5
Two U.S. soldiers were killed, and 79 American servicemen were injured in a Libyan bomb attack on a nightclub in West Berlin, West Germany.

1987
January 24
American citizens Jesse Turner and Alann Steen were seized in Beirut by Islamic terrorists. Turner was held until October 22, 1991 and Steen is released on 3 December 3, 1991.
April 14
US Navy club in Naples, Italy, bombed by Japanese Red Army killing five.
April 24
Sixteen U.S. servicemen riding in a Greek Air Force bus near Athens were injured in an apparent bombing attack, carried out by the revolutionary organization known as 17 November.

1988
February 17
US Marine Corps Lieutenant Colonel W. Higgens, kidnapped and murdered by the Iranian backed Hezbollah while serving with the United Nations Truce Supervisory Organisation in southern Lebanon.
April 14
The Organization of Jihad Brigades exploded a car bomb outside a USO Club in Naples, Italy, killing one U.S. sailor.
June 28
US Naval Attache killed in Athens, Greece, by Nov 17th terrorist group.
August 8
Pakistan president Zia Al Haq and US ambassador are killed, along with thirty seven other people, when a bomb explodes on a C-130 Hercules aircraft just after take off from Bahawalpu, Pakistan. December 21
Pan Am Boeing 747 blown up over Lockerbie, Scotland, by a bomb believed to have been placed on the aircraft at Frankfurt Airport, Germany. All 259 people on the aircraft were killed by the blast.

1989
April 21
The New People's Army (NPA) assassinate Col. James Rowe in Manila. The NPA also assassinate two U.S. government defense contractors in September.

1990
January 15
The Tupac Amaru Revolutionary Movement bombed the U.S. Embassy in Lima, Peru.
May 13
The New People's Army (NPA) killed two U.S. Air Force personnel near Clark Air Force Base in the Philippines.

1992
January 17-21
A senior official of the corporation Philippine Geothermal was kidnapped in Manila by the Red Scorpion Group, and two U.S. businessmen were seized independently by the National Liberation Army and by Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC).

1993
January 31
Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) terrorists kidnapped three U.S. missionaries.
February 26
World Trade Center in New York, USA, attacked by a massive bomb planted by Islamic terrorists.
April 14
Iraqi intelligence service attempt to assassinate former US President, George Bush, during a visit to Kuwait.

1994
September 23
FARC rebels kidnapped U.S. citizen Thomas Hargrove in Colombia.

1995
March 8
Two unidentified gunmen killed two U.S. diplomats and wounded a third in Karachi, Pakistan.
July 4
In India, six foreigners, including two U.S. citizens, were taken hostage by Al-Faran, a Kashmiri separatist group. One non-U.S. hostage was later found beheaded.
August 21
Hamas claimed responsibility for the detonation of a bomb in Jerusalem that killed six and injured over 100 persons, including several U.S. citizens.
September 13
A rocket-propelled grenade was fired through the window of the U.S. Embassy in Moscow, as an apparent retaliation for U.S. strikes on Serb positions in Bosnia.
November 13
Seven foreigners, including a number of US servicemen, are killed in bomb attack on National Guard training centre at Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.

1996
January 19
Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) guerrillas kidnapped a U.S. citizen and demanded a $1 million ransom. The hostage was released on May 22.
February 15
Unidentified assailants fired a rocket at the U.S. embassy compound in Athens, causing minor damage to three diplomatic vehicles and some surrounding buildings. It is believed to have been carried out by the 17 November group.
February 16
Six alleged National Liberation Army (ELN) guerrillas kidnapped a U.S. citizen in Colombia. After 9 months, the hostage was released.
June 25
Islamic radical terrorists opposed to the western military presence in the Gulf region, explode a truck bomb next to a USAF housing area at Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killing 19 American servicemen and 385 injuring more.
November 1
In Sudan, a breakaway group from the Sudanese People's Liberation Army (SPLA) kidnapped three International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) workers, including a U.S. citizen, an Australian, and a Kenyan. On December 9, the rebels released the hostages in exchange for ICRC supplies and a health survey for their camp.
December 11
Five armed men claiming to be members of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) kidnapped and later killed a U.S. geologist at a methane gas exploration site in La Guajira Department
December 17
Twenty-three members of the Tupac Amaru Revolutionary Movement (MRTA) took several hundred people hostage at a party given at the Japanese Ambassador's residence in Lima, Peru. Among the hostages were several U.S. officials, foreign ambassadors and other diplomats, Peruvian Government officials, and Japanese businessmen. The group demanded the release of all MRTA members in prison and safe passage for them and the hostage takers. The terrorists released most of the hostages in December but held 81 Peruvians and Japanese citizens for several months.

1997

February 14
Six armed Colombian guerrillas kidnapped a U.S. oil engineer and his Venezuelan pilot in Apure, Venezuela. The kidnappers released the Venezuelan pilot on February 22. According to authorities, the FARC is responsible for the kidnapping.
February 23
A Palestinian gunman opened fire on tourists at an observation deck atop the Empire State Building in New York City, killing a Danish national and wounding visitors from the United States, Argentina, Switzerland, and France before turning the gun on himself. A handwritten note carried by the gunman claimed this was a punishment attack against the "enemies of Palestine."
February 24
National Liberation Army (ELN) guerrillas kidnapped a U.S. citizen employed by a Las Vegas gold corporation who was scouting a gold mining operation in Colombia. The ELN demanded a ransom of $2.5 million.
March 7
FARC guerrillas kidnapped a U.S. mining employee and his Colombian colleague who were searching for gold in Colombia. On November 16, the rebels released the two hostages after receiving a $50,000 ransom.
October 30
Al-Sha'if tribesmen kidnapped a U.S. businessman near Sanaa. The tribesmen sought the release of two fellow tribesmen who were arrested on smuggling charges and several public works projects they claim the government promised them. They released the hostage on November 27.
November 12
Two unidentified gunmen shot to death four U.S. auditors from Union Texas Petroleum Corporation and their Pakistani driver after they drove away from the Sheraton Hotel in Karachi. The Islami Inqilabi Council, or Islamic Revolutionary Council, claimed responsibility in a call to the U.S. Consulate in Karachi. In a letter to Pakistani newspapers, the Aimal Khufia Action Committee also claimed responsibility.

1998

March 21-23
FARC rebels kidnapped a U.S. citizen in Sabaneta, Colombia. FARC members also killed three persons, wounded 14, and kidnapped at least 27 others at a roadblock near Bogota. Four U.S. citizens and one Italian were among those kidnapped, as well as the acting president of the National Electoral Council (CNE) and his wife.
August 7
US Embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar-es-Salem, Tanzania, heavily damaged by massive bomb attacks. US intelligence blames Islamic groups linked to Saudi dissident Osama Bin Laden.
November 15
Armed assailants followed a U.S. businessman and his family home in Cundinamarca Department and kidnapped his 11-year-old son after stealing money, jewelry, one automobile, and two cell phones. The kidnappers demanded $1 million in ransom. On January 21, 1999, the kidnappers released the boy.
December 28
Yemini militants kidnap a group of western tourists, including 12 Britons, 2 Americans, and 2 Australians on the main road to Aden. Four victims were killed during a rescue attempt the next day.

1999
February 25
FARC kidnapped three U.S. citizens working for the Hawaii-based Pacific Cultural Conservancy International. On March 4, the bodies of the three victims were found in Venezuela.
March 1
150 armed Hutu rebels attacked three tourist camps in Uganda, killed four Ugandans, and abducted three U.S. citizens, six Britons, three New Zealanders, two Danish citizens, one Australian, and one Canadian national. Two of the U.S. citizens and six of the other hostages were subsequently killed by their abductors.
March 23
Armed guerrillas kidnapped a U.S. citizen in Boyaca, Colombia. The National Liberation Army (ELN) claimed responsibility and demanded $400,000 ransom. On July 20, ELN rebels released the hostage unharmed following a ransom payment of $48,000.
May 30
In Cali, Colombia, armed ELN militants attacked a church in the neighborhood of Ciudad Jardin, kidnapping 160 persons, including six U.S. citizens and one French national. The rebels released approximately 80 persons, including three U.S. citizens, later that day.
June 27
In Port Harcourt, Nigeria, armed youths stormed a Shell oil platform, kidnapping one U.S. citizen, one Nigerian national, and one Australian citizen, and causing undetermined damage. A group calling itself "Enough is Enough in the Niger River" claimed responsibility.
August 4
An Armed Forces Revolutionary Council (AFRC) faction kidnapped 33 UN representatives near Occra Hills, Sierra Leone. The hostages included one U.S. citizen, five British soldiers, one Canadian citizen, one representative from Ghana, one military officer from Russia, one officer from Kyrgyzstan, one officer from Zambia, one officer from Malaysia, a local Bishop, two UN officials, two local journalists, and 16 Sierra Leonean nationals.
December 23
Colombian People's Liberation Army (PLA) forces kidnapped a U.S. citizen in an unsuccessful ransom effort.

2000
June 27
In Bogota, Colombia, ELN militants kidnapped a 5-year-old U.S. citizen and his Colombian mother, demanding an undisclosed ransom.
August 12
In the Kara-Su Valley, the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan took four U.S. citizens hostage. The Americans escaped on August 12.
October 12
In Sucumbios Province, Ecuador, a group of armed kidnappers led by former members of defunct Colombian terrorist organization the Popular Liberation Army (EPL), took hostage 10 employees of Spanish energy consortium REPSOL. Those kidnapped included five U.S. citizens, one Argentine, one Chilean, one New Zealander, and two French pilots who escaped 4 days later. On January 30, 2001, the kidnappers murdered American hostage Ronald Sander. The remaining hostages were released on February 23 following the payment of $13 million in ransom by the oil companies.
October 12
In Aden, Yemen, a small dingy carrying explosives rammed the destroyer U.S.S. Cole, killing 17 sailors and injuring 39 others. Supporters of Usama Bin Ladin were suspected.
December 30
A bomb exploded in a plaza across the street from the U.S. embassy in Manila, injuring nine persons. The Moro Islamic Liberation Front is allegedly responsible.

2001

September 11
Two hijacked airliners crashed into the twin towers of the World Trade Center. Soon thereafter, the Pentagon was struck by a third hijacked plane. A fourth hijacked plane, suspected to be bound for a high-profile target in Washington, crashed into a field in southern Pennsylvania. More than 3,000 U.S. citizens and other nationals were killed. President Bush and Cabinet officials indicated that Usama Bin Laden was the prime suspect and that they considered the United States in a state of war with international terrorism.


In fact, the 90's looked pretty unsafe if you ask. Someone remind me who was in the White House then. I seem to forget.
 
If disagreeing with the Kerry plan makes me an idiot, I'll take it as a compliment! My family is uninsured by choice. The premiums are too high to be worth it. We prefer the medical savings account plan, we already have one. We would pay $600 a month from DH's wages for insurance, BUT we can see any doctor in our area for $55 per office visit- we don't see the benefit. What about bigger items like tests and treatments? We have a savings account especially for that, one that earns interest and will make a nice little incentive to stay healthy.

Is there ANY area of our lives that Democrats think government shouldn't have a program for?

As for the comment, what do expect from someone who says something one minute, forgets about it the next , and then tells the person who remembers to shove it? Yeah, real refreshing, thats the kind of successful woman I want my DD to look up to:rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by jenfur
Is there ANY area of our lives that Democrats think government shouldn't have a program for?

No. ... it doesn't seem so, does it?
 
Originally posted by dmadman43
count me in. Can I be an idiot savant?

Okay, by unanimous vote of the Council Of Idiots, dmadman43 is elected to the position of Idiot Savant.

Edited (because I'm an IDIOT and couldn't do it right the first time) to include our newest members:

beattyfamily
cati

Welcome aboard!

One of the posters on this thread has a siggie that quotes T. Heinz comparing her rude, ignorant and divisive comments to a smart opinionated woman is hilarious. Like her Husband, no basis in reality. IMHO she does not come across as an intelligent, thoughtful PERSON, but as a shrill, nasty shrew!
 
Originally posted by Lanshark
These types of statements make her a liability; not an asset.

I respectfully disagree. Her scornful, elitest comments make her a tremendous asset to the Republicans. She is our secret weapon. Two more divisive, condensending public comments will guarentee 4 more years of President Bush.

Thanks Terry!

edited to try and correct some spelling errors. Gosh I hate phonics. (Another Democratic mandate!)
 
Another "idiot" here, reporting for duty!


Originally posted by jenfur
Is there ANY area of our lives that Democrats think government shouldn't have a program for?


Apparently there's a new program being considered, thanks to Mrs. Kerry. :rolleyes:

From Slate:

The other head-scratcher uttered by Kerry in the past two days came Wednesday in Greensboro, N.C. There, in response to a question from a woman about the health problems caused by mold and indoor air contamination—and her complaint, "There's not one agency in this government that has come forward" to deal with the problem—Kerry endorsed the creation of a new federal department. "What I want to do, what I'm determined to do, and it's in my health-care plan, is refocus America on something that can reduce the cost of health care significantly for all Americans, which is wellness and prevention," Kerry said. So far, so good. But then, "And I intend to have not just a Department of Health and Human Services, but a Department of Wellness." Again, what? Apparently this idea comes from Teresa Heinz Kerry, who told the Boston Herald in January 2003 that she would, in the Herald's words, "be an activist first lady, lobbying for a Department of Wellness that would stress preventive health." Oh, boy. Preventive health is a fine idea, but do we need a new agency—I assume it's not Cabinet-level—to handle it?

http://slate.msn.com/id/2106453/#ContinueArticle
 
Originally posted by we3luvdisney
I also think you owe tonyswife an apology.::yes:: ::yes::

Previous Post [/B]

Ahhh, chilvary is NOT dead. Encouraging. However, an apology is not necessary, I have a rather thick skin. I have come to expect wvrevy's errrr....exuberant debating style and his excessive use of smilies. I appreciate his enthusiasm, even if I agree with him on exactly one thing, that Disney rocks. :D
 












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