Only five more years of DHS being incredibly bad!!!!

We don't like DHS either but we just skip it nowadays. There are other parks that are much nicer IMO and we just go to them.
 

I love the look and feel of DHS. It reminds me of DCA, which is awesome. I am looking forward to my next trip during Star Wars Weekends, so that I can spend more time in the park and really get to enjoy the atmosphere. Usually, we don't spend a lot of time there. We are not big into shows, and do not do all of the attractions. However, what is there is really cool. I think it's going to be great when it's done. But this isn't like ripping off a band aid. It's more like training for a marathon.
 
We also love DHS even in its current form. We LOVE TSMM, ST,R N R and TOT. Plus we love the Indie and Beauty shows and loved stopping by One Mans Dream. Its usually a rope drop to about 4 or 5 pm park for us.
 
How quickly did you expect them to do an expansion of that size?

The knock against the timing is twofold: HS has been stagnant for more than a decade. The plans should have been in the works the moment the IP was purchased from Lucas with shovels ready to hit the ground shortly thereafter. Secondly, ALL of EPCOT... in its entirety... was built in exactly three years. Much of what is done today by computers and CNC equipment was done by hand back then. With today's equipment, technology and capabilities, the construction timetables should be cut in half. Instead, they are purposefully being doubled.

This is a deliberate strategy at play. Announce... sit back... develop... delay... announce a target completion date... delay... deploy the shovels... delay.... etc. Consumers have given Disney no incentive to expedite the process, so we are prisoners of our own device.
 
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It is deliberate. "Avatarland? We have to go to Disney World in 2017. Toy Story Land? We have to go to Disney World in 2018. Star Wars Land? We have to go to Disney World in 2019."

(Note: dates are for demonstration purposed only and do not reflect an accurate opening date of attractions)

Don't kid yourself. The purpose is to spread the cost over as many fiscal periods as possible. If the dates align as you suggest, which as of the present, I'll say is a long-shot (recent history shows us that we can almost certainly count on delays), then it's simply a welcome byproduct.
 
Personally I think the timelines say more about Disney's bureaucratic inefficiencies rather than a deliberate intent to delay. If we believe the stories now emerging about Star Wars, Imagineering put together at least two full-formed plans for that expansion which we rejected by the board. They weren't rejected out of a desire to open the land 1-2 years later, rather the rejection was based upon the focus and scope of the plans delivered.

The fault would seem to lie more in Disney's inability to communicate internally and set unified goals for the project. They are hardly the first company to face these challenges. Still I can only imagine how many thousands of hours were invested in concepts that were quickly discarded, and how the completion timeline has suffered.

(At the same time, I'm also grateful that we didn't get a Cars Land clone for DHS and a lukewarm SW expansion.)

Avatar was more of the same with James Cameron's own...ahem...attention to detail being added to the mix.

The Fantasyland expansion was revealed in September '09...and was still not locked down itself. Still they managed to get Circusland (or whatever it's called) updated within 2.5 years and Little Mermaid / BOG / Belle open within 3 years. That's not bad.

If the Toy Story plans are locked-down and backstage work has already begun, a holiday 2017 opening may not be out of the question. Or spring 2018.
 
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Personally I think the timelines say more about Disney's bureaucratic inefficiencies rather than a deliberate intent to delay. If we believe the stories now emerging about Star Wars, Imagineering put together at least two full-formed plans for that expansion which we rejected by the board. They weren't rejected out of a desire to open the land 1-2 years later, rather the rejection was based upon the focus and scope of the plans delivered.

The fault would seem to lie more in Disney's inability to communicate internally and set unified goals for the project. They are hardly the first company to face these challenges. Still I can only imagine how many thousands of hours were invested in concepts that were quickly discarded, and how the completion timeline has suffered.

(At the same time, I'm also grateful that we didn't get a Cars Land clone for DHS and a lukewarm SW expansion.)

Avatar was more of the same with James Cameron's own...ahem...attention to detail being added to the mix.

No doubt there is some merit to "bureaucratic inefficiencies"... but what do you think those roadblocks are based in?....

$$$$$$

Sure, the "spin" might be something to the effect of "We are committed to getting this right and will take as much time as we need to ensure we do just that.... blah blah blah". In reality, this is Iger and the BOD stringing the project along to spread out the capital investment over as many fiscal quarters as possible, all while marketing and pumping "great new things coming soon" and collecting along the way.

The Fantasyland expansion was revealed in September '09...and was still not locked down itself. Still they managed to get Circusland (or whatever it's called) updated within 2.5 years and Little Mermaid / BOG / Belle open within 3 years. That's not bad.

Again putting that into context... In the "good old days", they built all of EPCOT in 3 years. Today, it takes them that much time to move Dumbo, construct one 30-second kiddie coaster and a basic Omnimover along with a restaurant and M&G area. Apparently, our collective definitions of "not bad" differ slightly.
 
Don't kid yourself. The purpose is to spread the cost over as many fiscal periods as possible. If the dates align as you suggest, which as of the present, I'll say is a long-shot (recent history shows us that we can almost certainly count on delays), then it's simply a welcome byproduct.

For a capital improvement project like this, the vast majority of the cost will be amortized over an extended period of time. We're talking 20 years or more.

By way of recent comparison, something like MyMagic+ would have been accounted for differently because so much of that project involved labor--increasing staffing needs to train CMs, train guests, provide tech support, deal with guest issues at the resorts and park gates while the new tech was still being rolled-out, etc. Costs associated with writing new software and installing new door locks can be written-off over the expected life of those investments but a lot of the labor increases likely hit Disney's bottom line immediately.

I agree with Reddog that Disney does have a vested interest in staggering their openings. That's something they've been dealing with for decades.

But also remember they are not able to reap the benefits of these expansions until they open. The idea of any capital investment is to increase profitability. Toy Story Land will increase revenues via higher attendance, higher ticket prices, increased merchandise sales, increased dining revenue and more. If they deliberately delay the opening of this expansion by a year, that's a year's worth of lost revenue.

These factors may not have as dramatic an impact in different circumstances. I doubt Magic Kingdom suffered much while the Fantasyland expansion was under way. But at Hollywood Studios, it would seem Disney has many reasons to open Toy Story Land before Star Wars construction provides another (literal and figurative) obstacle to potential park guests.

Again putting that into context... In the "good old days", they built all of EPCOT in 3 years. Today, it takes them that much time to move Dumbo, construct one 30-second kiddie coaster and a basic Omnimover along with a restaurant and M&G area. Apparently, our collective definitions of "not bad" differ slightly.

Admittedly I'm not a construction expert so perhaps someone in that line of work can comment. I suspect increased involvement of local lawmakers, updated building codes, quality and availability of labor force, technology integration and other factors are playing a role.

EPCOT also wasn't hosting 30,000 guests per day during its initial construction. Separate crews could work on dozens of projects simultaneously without worrying about guests' safety or the quality of their experience.

Elsewhere in the industry, Wizarding World of Harry Potter was just over 3 years from announcement to opening. Phase 2 was 2.5 years from announcement to opening. The Universal Hollywood clone of Wizarding World was confirmed by Universal as far back as 2011 but won't open until 2016.
 
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I love how these projects were just announced and people are already complaining how long they will take.

Are we there yet?
Are we there yet?
Are we there yet?

haha
 
I know some construction folks down there that hope it takes forever.

Anyway, we will continue going every year so they can open things when they want.
 
One of the biggest misconceptions is that it takes so long to spread the cost out. This isn't true. All of these things are Capitalized and the cost are spread out over the life of the asset. They can't start the amortization until after it is complete. By taking too long, they just delay their own tax benifit. There is so much construction going on around the area, everyone is in dire need of construction crews.

Also, it has been stated that Imangineering needs 7 years from start to finish for a project. The fact that we have concept art this quickly, means they have already been in development for some time. Avatar was announced too early in it's cycle, which is why it seems to be taking much longer, along with Cameron's attention to detail.
 
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Avatar was announced too early in it's cycle, which is why it seems to be taking much longer, along with Cameron's attention to detail.

Avatar was announced just after the New Fantasyland plans leaked. It's always been my opinion that Disney announced Avatar early (too early) because they were concerned about another leak.
 
One of the biggest misconceptions is that it takes so long to spread the cost out. This isn't true. All of these things are Capitalized and the cost are spread out over the life of the asset. They can't start the amortization until after it is complete. By taking too long, they just delay their own tax benifit. There is so much construction going on around the area, everyone is in dire need of construction crews.

Also, it has been stated that Imangineering needs 7 years from start to finish for a project. The fact that we have concept art this quickly, means they have already been in development for some time. Avatar was announced too early in it's cycle, which is why it seems to be taking much longer, along with Cameron's attention to detail.

There absolutely is truth to it. There's even evidence when looking at the NFL expansion. Phase 1: relocate Dumbo & Storybook. Phase 2: Mermaid & BOG. Phase 3: SDMT. Rinse, wash & repeat. Each "phase" is budgeted in smaller chunks to spread out the CAPEX required. Don't think the shareholders would be very happy to see those massive capital expenditures hitting the balance sheet all in one fiscal year...
 











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