Once again Bush does his best to set us way back...

[Mickeyistheman]

I think many people are missing the big issue here. This research could help millions of people live longer.

It could find cures to certain diseases.

Why would our "Government" not want to help in this?

hmmmmmm I wonder why? (HEAVY sarcasm)

If Bubba is against it morally than that is his choice based upon "his" religous beliefs, that should not have anything to do with how "OUR American government is run. He should be looking for our best interests and obviously he has not been doing that his entire 2 terms as President.

I wonder how he looks at himself in the morning when he hears how many more Soldiers died in Iraq. Where are his morals there?

I know alot of people are going to dislike me for my next comment but in regards to Health care in the USA, you should just go see "SICKO". I initially had NO DESIRE to see this movie, wasn't interested at all that was until I saw a preview for it. Then it had my interest, not saying that it won't be one sided but Health care is a big deal in the US and so many people are being denied treatment because they can't afford it.

Sorry went off on a tangent there.

Again just putting in my thoughts.

 

[profdsny]

31,000 US citizens rescued in a 5 day period by Coast Guard and other heroes coordinated by federal state and local employees was letting US citizens die?

To bad if you happend to be one of the 1500 who died. Or their family. Can't save them all, right?

 

[JulielovesDisney]

What an idiot Bushie is!!

 

[Charade]

To bad if you happend to be one of the 1500 who died. Or their family. Can't save them all, right?

Nope.

 

[Fitswimmer]

To bad if you happend to be one of the 1500 who died. Or their family. Can't save them all, right?

Actually, you can't. Everyone cannot be protected from disaster regardless of who the President is. I realize calling this particular President an idiot and stupid is a sport that many enjoy, but the idea that ANY President would deliberately allow people to die in a natural disaster is just going to far. Was he too slow in responding to the magnitude of Katrina? Yes, but do I believe that slow response was intentional so that more people would die? I just don't think that's true. There's a difference between not understanding the potential magnitude of a problem and intentionally dragging your feet because you want people to die.

 

[eclectics]

Hmm... I (and many others) feel exactly the same way about "global warming". But according to Gore, the debate is over.

If that's some thinly veiled insinuation that I back everything Al Gore says, you can guess again. I believe our climatic changes are a combo result of pollution and natural cycles.

 

[eclectics]

I have only found one Embryo Stem Cell Research that shows promise. Please point me to the others. BTW that area was in Eyesight.

I've read many reports where embryonic research hold promise for more than just eyesight. If I could recall where and when I read them, I would gladly post links. My point is, even if I accept your limited optimism, is it is foolish to dismiss one method out of hand just because it shows limited potential. Who knows what the future holds as our technology improves.

 

[Soubrette]

No one is stopping PRIVATE or STATE funding of research.

True. But the lack of government support means that most of our best scientists and researchers are leaving the U.S. to work for other international laboratories that receive the type of support that can sustain their work.

(Sorry if someone else brought that up; I didn't have the patience to read the whole thread )

For me, this issue really shows how out of touch Bush is with the American people. I can follow his reasoning on other issues (even if I disagree), but his stance on stem cells is so unreasonable that it makes me think he could care less about the citizens of this country.

 

[reeeoga]

Actually, you can't. Everyone cannot be protected from disaster regardless of who the President is. I realize calling this particular President an idiot and stupid is a sport that many enjoy, but the idea that ANY President would deliberately allow people to die in a natural disaster is just going to far. Was he too slow in responding to the magnitude of Katrina? Yes, but do I believe that slow response was intentional so that more people would die? I just don't think that's true. There's a difference between not understanding the potential magnitude of a problem and intentionally dragging your feet because you want people to die.

Very well said.

 

[reeeoga]

I've read many reports where embryonic research hold promise for more than just eyesight. If I could recall where and when I read them, I would gladly post links. My point is, even if I accept your limited optimism, is it is foolish to dismiss one method out of hand just because it shows limited potential. Who knows what the future holds as our technology improves.

From a non-Morals stance: From what I know adult stem cells hold more promise and have provene to work. They are also available from every patient that needs cures (in their own blood). and they do not need to worry about using anti-rejection drugs after the cure. I would consentrate my money on those areas first. They hold the best opertunities for the fastest and best cures.

After those areas have been investigated, then we can start funding (with government tax money) other areas. If private industry (drug companies) saw a potential in Embryonic Stem Cells, then they will fund the research.

And I don't think I have a limited Optimism (insert toungue sticking out smilley here). I just want the most bang for the tax buck.

 

[Charade]

If that's some thinly veiled insinuation that I back everything Al Gore says, you can guess again. I believe our climatic changes are a combo result of pollution and natural cycles.

No, it isn't. I agree with you. Where we probably differ is the percentage of natural versus man-made.

 

[Charade]

True. But the lack of government support means that most of our best scientists and researchers are leaving the U.S. to work for other international laboratories that receive the type of support that can sustain their work.

(Sorry if someone else brought that up; I didn't have the patience to read the whole thread )

For me, this issue really shows how out of touch Bush is with the American people. I can follow his reasoning on other issues (even if I disagree), but his stance on stem cells is so unreasonable that it makes me think he could care less about the citizens of this country.

What's so unreasonable to think that destroying potential human life isn't an acceptable form of research?

 

[eclectics]

No, it isn't. I agree with you. Where we probably differ is the percentage of natural versus man-made.

That's probably a good bet.

 

[eclectics]

And I don't think I have a limited Optimism (insert toungue sticking out smilley here).

Well, when it comes to embryonic research....yeah, ya kinda do!

That's all I meant. I didn't mean you lacked optimism in general.

 

[Soubrette]

What's so unreasonable to think that destroying potential human life isn't an acceptable form of research?

Potential life? These are cells that would otherwise be destroyed? Where's the potential in that?

I think a scientist must have kicked Bush as a child.

 

[reeeoga]

Well, when it comes to embryonic research....yeah, ya kinda do!

That's all I meant. I didn't mean you lacked optimism in general.

I still need to find the tongue sticking out smilley.

 

[reeeoga]

Potential life? These are cells that would otherwise be destroyed? Where's the potential in that?

I think a scientist must have kicked Bush as a child.

The Embryos can be adopted and implanted into someone else, so yes potential life.

As far as a scientist kicking Bush: Maybe he needed it.

 

[yeartolate]

The Embryos can be adopted and implanted into someone else, so yes potential life.

Usually they are not.

What if you had 12 leftover embryos and let us say that they were implanted another woman. I am sorry, but it would be more than freaky knowing that my child had up to 12 full brothers and sisters out there. I am impressed with a woman who is able to give up their leftovers to donate to another infertile couple. I know I could not do this.

 

[eclectics]

Usually they are not.

They are usually discarded.

I find it interesting that the groups that protest at abortion clinics give a pass to these fertility clinics. If life begins at conception as they believe fervently, then these embryos are every much a life as a fetus is. How come they are allowed to be thrown out with the trash without any moral outrage?

 

[yeartolate]

They are usually discarded.

I find it interesting that the groups that protest at abortion clinics give a pass to these fertility clinics. If life begins at conception as they believe fervently, then these embryos are every much a life as a fetus is. How come they are allowed to be thrown out with the trash without any moral outrage?

I said the same thing and I was taken to task for it on the infertility thread.

I think eventually we all saw eye to eye, but I certainly hit a raw nerve.

I just cannot understand why the antiabortion folks aren't up in arms over the destroyed ferilized eggs.