Ok I Understand the Excessive Wear and Tear

[Ramsfan28]

So are you thinking that renters then are more likely to cause "excessive wear and tear" or would it be DVC members who are doing the damage? I guess there is no way of knowing.

Honestly, I think it is both.

Some renters/members do not leave the unit as they found it. If most treated the unit as their 2nd home I think there would be a lot less excessive wear and tear.

I also think it people want to decorate their unit - they should go for it! I think it is just common sense to make sure the decorations (like tape or other items) don't add to the wear and tear.

 

[Deb & Bill]

It just hit me that a couple of people say they leave the room better than they found it. We don't do that. We leave the room looking lived in. Any bed that has been used is noticeably unmade, the trash is gathered but left in the room, and towels are left in the floor. Sometimes I catch my wife trying to make the bed and I tear it back apart. I feel like if the maids think the room is already clean they won't clean it and if they see a bed that is made they may not think it was used and not change the sheets. I don't want the next DVCer to get a room that has not been thoroughly cleaned and have to sleep in beds with unclean sheets.

I know it sounds backwards but I feel that by leaving the room a little untidy I am being courteous. If nothing else, I am leaving a big sign so that there is no doubt the room has not been cleaned.

You can still show the room has been used and ready to be cleaned without leaving a mess for the housekeepers. Gather all the towels into a pile in the tub. Pull off the sheets and pile them on the bed. Empty the refrigerator. Put the dirty dishes in the dishwasher or go ahead and wash them. We always leave the room ready to be attacked by the housekeepers, but we try to make their job a little easier so the room can get turned over more quickly to the next guest.

And clean up the spills and messes you make when you make them. No need to leave them sit for a few days to set in before the housekeepers can start working on them.

 

[Ramsfan28]

We have moved a chair or two and we have also decorated at Christmas. Hung lights and even put a wreath on the door.

We use 3M Command hooks, they have a pull tab and don't leave a mark when they are removed.

We always leave the room in better condition than when we got there.

If we did have a accident, spill on the carpet or something else, we would call to have if fixed and if there was a charge, we would gladly pay it.

I guess not everyone feels the same way.

Bill

Sadly not everyone feels the same way. If they did there wouldn't be complaints about furniture and other items showing wear and tear.

 

[BeesKnees]

You can still show the room has been used and ready to be cleaned without leaving a mess for the housekeepers. Gather all the towels into a pile in the tub. Pull off the sheets and pile them on the bed. Empty the refrigerator. Put the dirty dishes in the dishwasher or go ahead and wash them. We always leave the room ready to be attacked by the housekeepers, but we try to make their job a little easier so the room can get turned over more quickly to the next guest.

And clean up the spills and messes you make when you make them. No need to leave them sit for a few days to set in before the housekeepers can start working on them.

I didn't say we left a mess or stains, where did you read that? I said I left it untidy enough so that the maids would not skip over it. Good grief. Chill.

 

[Mickey'sApprentice]

Of course, it is a combination of all sorts of things...design flaws, careless people, etc.

I once accidentally knocked into a post with my rolling suitcase at POR. Later in the trip...I noticed that the same post had scuff marks all over it. It looked like that particular post had been knocked into hundreds of times.

Was I a bit careless with my suitcase...yes. Was the placement of that particular post partly to blame...yes.

As for poor upkeep in the room, you would be surprised at just how awful and violent some people's tempers can be. I'm sure some neanderthal at some point in time has added up his charges on his kttw card and put a hole in one of the walls with his/her fist. (No, I have no prior experience with this personally.)

I had a renter one time ask me if he could remove the wall between the master bedroom and bath. Luckily, I not only said NO! but reminded him that it was a load bearing wall and that the house would fall down. I say luckily...because when he asked me about updating my kitchen cabinets...I told him that I had seriously considered it. The next day...the old ones were out in the yard!! I found out through these renters that some drugs make people very hyper. That's not good if you are the landlord!!!

The point is...there is a % of our population that have anger management/mental health issues, and there is a segment of our population that has drug abuse problems. Both issues would cause for severe wear and tear issues.

 

[Deb & Bill]

I didn't say we left a mess or stains, where did you read that? I said I left it untidy enough so that the maids would not skip over it. Good grief. Chill.

You said you left towels lying on the floor and the bed torn apart. I just stated what we did to make it easier on the housekeepers to get the room turned over faster. I seriously doubt anyone remakes the bed the morning that they leave and the room looks like it has already been cleaned.

Most of us just try to keep it clean and neat and not destroy it - thus, leaving the room better than we found it.

You might want to take a little of your own advice and relax.

 

[BeesKnees]

You said you left towels lying on the floor and the bed torn apart. I just stated what we did to make it easier on the housekeepers to get the room turned over faster. I seriously doubt anyone remakes the bed the morning that they leave and the room looks like it has already been cleaned.

Most of us just try to keep it clean and neat and not destroy it - thus, leaving the room better than we found it.

You might want to take a little of your own advice and relax.

Um, that is not leaving the room better, that is leaving it the same which is the source of my confusion. In fact, unless you clean it is still leaving it worse than you found it.

Now we take care of our dishes but I don't see the need to pre-prepare the room for flippping because we leave it in pretty good shape being neat and clean people ourselves. Plus we leave a tip.

 

[gmboy95]

this thread has given me an ice cream headache!!....first of all. i would take a DVC room over just about any other resort in Disney....does it have some wear and tear...sure it does, but nothing excessive!!

Last time i checked I was an "owner" of part of the resort....so If I wanna move some furniture around like a coffee table or chair...then so be it.....the DVC resorts are outstanding, i often wonder where some peoples houses look like when they complain about the condition of DVC rooms??

 

[Bell30012]

When I stay at hotels, I generally stay in suites. There is usually a coffee table right in front of the sofa. Do you think that wasn't put there so I could put my feet up on it?

When I stay at DVC, my feet will probably be on the coffee table. DVC can avoid this by purchasing recliners. I'm going to relax in the evening while the kid watches television and I use my MacBook (iPad on this next trip, yeah!). Who doesn't put their feet up when they are at home?

When you get there what do they say? "Welcome home!"

 

[gmboy95]

Oh and I decorate the hell out my room and the balcony at christmas time!!!....and i have moved the table onto the big balcomy at BCV for a killer poker game!!!

 

[gmboy95]

When I stay at hotels, I generally stay in suites. There is usually a coffee table right in front of the sofa. Do you think that wasn't put there so I could put my feet up on it?

When I stay at DVC, my feet will probably be on the coffee table. DVC can avoid this by purchasing recliners. I'm going to relax in the evening while the kid watches television and I use my MacBook (iPad on this next trip, yeah!). Who doesn't put their feet up when they are at home?

When you get there what do they say? "Welcome home!"

aint been a coffee table yet these feet have not rested on!!!

 

[BeesKnees]

When I stay at hotels, I generally stay in suites. There is usually a coffee table right in front of the sofa. Do you think that wasn't put there so I could put my feet up on it?

When I stay at DVC, my feet will probably be on the coffee table. DVC can avoid this by purchasing recliners. I'm going to relax in the evening while the kid watches television and I use my MacBook (iPad on this next trip, yeah!). Who doesn't put their feet up when they are at home?

When you get there what do they say? "Welcome home!"

I don't put my feet up on the coffee table because I wouldn't do that in someone else's home. Even though I may be an owner I am not the only one.

 

[needtogomore]

or feel entitled to do whatever they want by virtue of spending thousands-of-dollars on the DVC points.

you actually believe that?

 

[gmboy95]

I don't put my feet up on the coffee table because I wouldn't do that in someone else's home. Even though I may be an owner I am not the only one.

all due respect...i wouldnt want to go to someones house i cant put my feet up on the coffee table!!!

 

[tjkraz]

you actually believe that?

Take a look at this thread and you'll already see widely varying opinions on acceptable behavior. And I've personally witnessed enough of an entitlement attitude from members ("I paid ____ to buy into DVC so I deserve ____!!!!")

Seems pretty clear to me that some people will do whatever they want...whenever they want...regardless of the impact on other guests or the accommodations themselves.

 

[Sammie]

Take a look at this thread and you'll already see widely varying opinions on acceptable behavior. And I've personally witnessed enough of an entitlement attitude from members ("I paid ____ to buy into DVC so I deserve ____!!!!")

Seems pretty clear to me that some people will do whatever they want...whenever they want...regardless of the impact on other guests or the accommodations themselves.

I was reading an interesting survey about what people consider rude behavior on a plane and you are right the differences were amazing. As to what some consider rude and others don't.

Coffee tables, Do you think that wasn't put there so I could put my feet up on it?

Well actually no, ottomans and foot stools are for feet, tables are not. I do not put my feet at home on any table.

Using 3M hooks

That works for those that know and actually take the time to properly remove them but many just jerk them off.

I don't know guess I just figure if Disney wanted me to be able to hang something on the door a hook would be there. I just don't alter anything or do anything that might in some way damage something.

 

[BeesKnees]

all due respect...i wouldnt want to go to someones house i cant put my feet up on the coffee table!!!

But when you stay at dvc you are going to someone's house where they don't want your feet on the table. That is, unless you asked every owner for permission. You can have my permission as long as you aren't wearing shoes.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Since when is moving furniture EXCESSIVE wear and tear? That is normal wear and tear and I will make no apologies for doing it. If I have to be in a hotel room for several days and I don't like the layout I will do it there too.

um...no...i can't agree there.

the whole "welcome home" is a gimmic...you don't own it - you are renting it. and if you treat your rental like this, you lose your security deposit.

I don't know if its this kinda "abuse" that makes DVC look run down though...all WDW locations look ragged within a few years because they are occupied practically every second of every day of every year, a ridiculously high percentage of the guests are children - who beat the heck outta everything, and hotels are never respected the way they should be by the customer...in WDW as well as everywhere else.

But, DVC is set up as a "low cost" management model - that's why they don't waste money with full housekeeping or add duplicate or extra amenities when they can get away with it. The maintenance fees...by widely held misconception...are (i believe...and opinion) used more to defray day to day costs than to be put back into refurbishment.
of course refurbs are done...but they are done less frequently at WDW than at holiday inns (no joke here)
so what can we realistically expect?

I would think that we should expect accomodations that are, on the whole, a little more run down....we are a captive audience that doesn't have to be 'wow-ed" to get us back there...

and i know what the response will be: "We paid all that money!"

honey, that check cleared long ago...and if the next response is "we can stop going and then they'll be in trouble"

please...you bought a major investment where they gave you a contract on mouse letterhead....you're going...they know it, i know it, you know it

 

[BeesKnees]

um...no...i can't agree there.

the whole "welcome home" is a gimmic...you don't own it - you are renting it. and if you treat your rental like this, you lose your security deposit.

I don't know if its this kinda "abuse" that makes DVC look run down though...all WDW locations look ragged within a few years because they are occupied practically every second of every day of every year, a ridiculously high percentage of the guests are children - who beat the heck outta everything, and hotels are never respected the way they should be by the customer...in WDW as well as everywhere else.

Treat my rental like what? Moving furniture is no more "abusive" than sitting on it. It is all normal wear and tear. It amazes me that this topic can be discussed in such unreasonable extremes.

 

[Mtnman44]

I worked in hotel security for a bit, a long time ago. I remember one time when Bobby Brown, Whitney, and their crew were staying at our hotel.

Let's just say that DVC'ers still have a long way to go in mastering the art of trashing a hotel room.