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[zurgswife]

I've got 2 Beagles

#1 almost 3 yrs old....housetrained perfectly has a dog door has used it without problems...

#2 puppy about 7mos. Got her in Dec...outside training was a nightmare...tried to papertrain during the cold months then switch outside....well it hasn't worked out well....the puppy will play outside then come inside and poop or pee.....or if she's in the mood she will go outside no ryhmn or reason...

1. I started just leaving her outside all day hoping that she would get the hint. ( she could come into our entry through the dog door if the weather got too hot or she just wanted a break....but just not into the house....)

2. Felt bad for the older dog as she was banished also....

3. She has continued to when ever the mood hits her pee or poop on the rug...

4. I decided tonight to crate her.....I feel bad as the older dog isn't being crated...don't know what else to do....

Does anybody have any suggestions???? I'm at my wits end....never had problems the first time....

 

[SnackyStacky]

Basically at this point, you need to start from square one.

You have to treat her as a brand new puppy, and start housebreaking.

Take her outside. Make sure she KNOWS she's out to potty. No playing. Give her about 5-10 minutes. If she doesn't go, crate her for about 20 minutes, and start all over. When she finally goes, stop crating her. The crating is NOT a punishment. It's simply so that she can't pee or poop in the split second you might turn your head. When she does go outside, LOTS of praise. Love and treats out the yin yang.

DON'T chastise her for doing anything in the house UNLESS YOU CATCH HER IN THE ACT!

It's the basic philosophy that dogs just want attention - and they don't care if it's negative or positive. Negative attention (yelling, punishment...etc.) only reinforces the unwanted behavior.

Use your older dog to your advantage. Don't treat them the same. The older one should HAVE more privelges because she's doing what she's supposed to.

It's going to take a LOT of patience. But such is the deal with puppies!

 

[zurgswife]

I've always praised with treats for the going early on ....and still now if she does when I make sure I take her out.....but hasn't made much difference.

I think I'm going with crating while we are home with her afternoon and evenings and leaving her out during the day time like I've been doing....and continue to praise her and give treats when I take her out and she goes.... When she has had problems has been in the late afternoon and evening...

 

[Tiger Lily 03]

Dan (SnackyStacky) has given you the advice I have been given from trainers. That is exactly what should be done. It is also something noteworthy that the crate should be small to fit the dog. If it is too big, the puppy will go in the crate. Additionally, I was taught that if the dog is out of the crate in the beginning that it should be "leashed" to YOU. This way you are able to monitor and make sure that baby is not "straying" off to find the "spot." Starting over from the beginning may seem more than you want, but it probably is best.

Oh yeah, you probably already know, but remember to be consistent in what you do so as not to add confusion.

Good luck!

 

[ZachnElli]

Yup, just started with a trainer last week. Leashed to us in the house when we can, crated when we can't, treats when going outside. He's 1 1/2 and I can't believe he's still pooping the house!

 

[WebmasterAlex]

I think Dan's answer is right on

 

[zurgswife]

Unlike my first dog, Macy seems to enjoy her crate....whimper a little and then off to sleep.....got up this am...took her out .... immediately pee and pooped...(though this time of day really wasn't the issue)...afterwards I praised and gave her treats...we came in I snuggled her for a few minutes she hopped off the couch and went back in her crate. I shut the door and went back to bed for a half hour....

Just got up again...patted her a little....got her food and brought her outside...

We shall see how the hard part of the day goes later...

 

[JPN4265]

Crate or cage training. Works like magic.

 

[pumba]

even though Meg is still a puppy.......the first week and a half was a nightmare.......we are now using the crate for training and sleeping at night.....she seemed to wander in the night and do her thing and then yell for me to come and clean it up.....she would do this at two or three am.......well it took no time at all and she sleeps all night and does not mess anywheres......she is in the kitchen area still because the people I have talked to said that giving to big an area makes them get confused ...so she has the big kitchen and she has a gate and can see us.....we usually are sitting on the floor with her in the kitchen during play time and then outdoors for running time.......keeping my fingers crossed.....we have had her three weeks and I do believe we are over the worse part...........IT WAS THIS board that encouraged me to use the crate......thanks to everyone

 

[Serena]

Yep, lots of good advice here. Good luck

 

[goofy4tink]

Crates are a wonderful tool aren't they? As far as the late afternoon/early evening goes...this is when our dog's training broke down also. Evidently, we all just got busy with making dinner, coming in from work, starting homework etc. So, no one ever noticed the pup's needs as much as other times of day. It's just a crazy time of day for families. So, be ever vigilent. She'll get it. If she's doing better the rest of the day, it will come at dinnertime. If you can't be with her to watch her at that time, just crate her.

 

[crz4mm2]

Crates are a lifesaver. Make having a puppy more enjoyable
Use the crate. You have all the advise. It will help you get that pup pottytrained.
Good luck.

 

[dianeschlicht]

You are right to make a completely new start. Your first mistake was paper training. All that does is train them to go "inside". Your second mistake was leaving the puppy out all day. When training, they should only be out for potty, and do their playing indoors so they get the idea about potty "outside". I always tell my puppy buyers it is much easier to train a winter puppy than a spring one. The reason is that we tend to not just leave them out, so they get the idea quicker. Crate training sounds like it will work with this one.

LOL, I was going to say something funny like, " you shouldn't have chosen a beagle", but I decided you might not think it was funny!

 

[zurgswife]

Thanks Diane....

I tried getting her to go outside and she would just stand outside for 10mins with me and just shiver uncontroablly......I was freezing and she was freezing....so I tried the paper route....

Your second mistake was leaving the puppy out all day. When training, they should only be out for potty, and do their playing indoors so they get the idea about potty "outside"

I wasn't really clear on this the outside thing didn't start until she was 5.5 mos old not when she was really young....back then we just took her out when we were out or to trying to get her to go....

Any how we have made it through 7pm with no accidents...keep your fingers crossed..

 

[zurgswife]

We had a successful day yesterday....but my new question is ..about getting Macy in her Crate ...she isn't as thrilled to go in now...I've tried treats but no luck..I'm actually putting her in ...is that still OK...or does she need to walk in by herself???

 

[phillybeth]

Putting her in is fine. As you put her in, tell her Good Girl, get in your crate (or whatever you call it), and give her a treat. She will learn fast to go in on her own- I'm sure you know beagles will do almost anything for food! I've crate-trained all alges of dogs from puppies to seniors, and they all go running for their crates as soon as they hear the box of treats being rattled!

 

[Dodie]

Call the crate "something." "Go get in your house." "Go to bed." "Go to your crate." etc. Eventually, she'll go in by herself if you say that phrase.

Also, name the process that she does outside something. "Do your business." "Go potty." etc. Say that everytime you see her start to squat and then praise the heck out of her when she does it. Repetition is key. Eventually, you'll be able to send her outside, say "Do your business" and she will.

Do not feel guilty about the crate or the fact that she's crated and the other dog isn't. There is nothing cruel or unusual about crate training and most dogs eventually see it as a "safe place" like a their own personal "cave" or space.

I know that you are trying now and that others have chimed in here, but I'm going to re-emphasize it for anyone else with a puppy who's reading....

Never try to paper train your dog! Period!

This is a huge mistake that a lot of people make. Going inside is going inside to a puppy. Sure, some dogs eventually graduate to "outside," but some just can't make the distinction. They have to be really confused, thinking: "Why is it ok to go over here on these papers but not ok to do it on the bathroom rug? These people make no sense."

 

[zurgswife]

Never try to paper train your dog! Period!

Now you tell me....

I do tell her time to get in your crate and I discuss going outside and peeing/pooping while taking her out....

Actually I think the older dog is enjoying the extra freedoms that had been taken away when the other dog had gotten so bad about going in the house...now that Macy is crated...

 

[dianeschlicht]

My dogs actually enjoy the crate and will come running in and stand in there waiting for me to close the door when it is bed time. I usually crate train with treats right from day one. I know I said your first mistake was paper training, but I don't think it is a lost cause. It just might take a bit longer to retrain, but it sounds like you are taking the right approach. Good luck!